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The Story of Civiliation
May 15, 2012 | GeronL

Posted on 05/15/2012 4:08:34 PM PDT by GeronL

I am going to take a stab at describing how morality might have evolved. I am trying to aim this at atheistis and others so I tried to refrain from using any religious frame of reference. What separates us from the animals?

So try not to be offended.


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To: Lurker
The Roman Republic fell in 44 BC. The earstwhile 'Empire' moved to Constantinople around 480 AD or so.

So either way, the 'Empire' didn't last 1300 years.

And to answer your original question. I would say that the Roman Republic fell when it's people and leaders were no longer moral.

Many things that the Roman Republic started are still with us, though, and considered moral behavior.

/johnny

41 posted on 05/15/2012 7:35:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL

Thought: Morality based on what the human leader says may be good, but too often justifies his base interests (Islam’s changing views on adoption as family once Mohammed lusts for his adopted son’s wife). Morality based on a supreme power has greater backing, and you can’t disobey it when no one is watching because God always is.


42 posted on 05/15/2012 7:49:06 PM PDT by tbw2
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Much of Christian(/Jewish)-type morality coincides with “natural law” for a very good reason I think. They knew for a long time the things that were detrimental and things that were positive. Codifying it into a single “law” probably took centuries/millenia of hard work by the Old Testament guys.

and it looks like all it takes to break down 6,000 years of progress is a few decades.


43 posted on 05/15/2012 7:56:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Curiously, you have stumbled on a topic near to what I was considering next.


44 posted on 05/15/2012 8:02:11 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

It still needs a lot of work though.


45 posted on 05/15/2012 8:07:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You are most welcome.
I stumbled upon on it and also found it to be excellent.
46 posted on 05/15/2012 11:56:00 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: GeronL

I think Man has a dual nature: the same creature that is capable of great cruelty is also capable of great mercy. Hitler was the author of unimaginable horrors. Yet he passed laws making it a crime to abuse a dog.

You’re right insofar as you define civilization as the triumph of our better natures over our lesser. The irony is that we must periodically revert to the latter to defend the fruits of the former. So we can never truly be free of our inner brute. That is the burden we carry as mere humans, who can only dream of being gods.

Unless you’re Barack Obama ...


47 posted on 05/16/2012 5:12:03 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: GeronL

Someone said that you can’t take the “cult” out of culture. We organize our actions based upon our hopes and beliefs and as creatures with language we group based upon those hopes that are shared and our families.


48 posted on 05/16/2012 5:28:12 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: GeronL
I want to write it in a way to convince the Godless that we have a point when it comes to morality.

You want to point the godless to morality without pointing to God, don't think it can be done.............. The godless think Christianity is the source of evil. Man is basically good and it is Christianity that stops them from reaching self actualization (Maslows Hierarchy of needs). I would encourage you to study the truth project from Focus on the Family.
49 posted on 05/17/2012 8:39:48 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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