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5 College Degrees That Aren't Worth The Cost
Business Insider ^ | 06/23/2012

Posted on 06/24/2012 7:09:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

No degree guarantees that a college graduate will earn more over a lifetime than a high school student.

Worse still, there are many degrees where the average high school graduate will likely out-earn a college graduate.

If you’ve ever wanted to know the two main reasons why Americans decide not to go to college, the St. Louis Fed presented two convincing explanations. The more frightening of the two scenarios showed that, for students paying their own tuition, most will need a starting salary of $40,000 or better to overcome lifetime earnings of high school graduates.

How can it be that someone with a $40,000 starting salary can’t out-earn the average high school graduate? The reason is two-fold. Most college students forgo income while attending college. Also, given the average annual tuition of $25,000, a student paying his own way is facing a $100,000 college bill. Add the loss of income and the six-digit education tab, and graduates start their professional lives in a large financial hole.

If a starting salary of $40,000 is what it takes to overcome the high costs of going to college, you will want to know what degrees aren’t averaging the benchmark income. Georgetown pulled together statistics on average starting salary for many popular degrees. Below are five degrees with average starting salaries that may not be worth paying the costs for college.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: college; degree; education; jobs; no
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1 posted on 06/24/2012 7:09:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The plain truth is that kid could go off to the Air Force for four years...get trained as a mechanic...pick up an associates degree that was almost completely paid via AF tuition assistance...get a certificate or two...owe nothing upon exiting the military, and be ten years ahead of any kid about to finish college.


2 posted on 06/24/2012 7:17:52 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm not seeing the “Confrontive Militant Feminism” degree or the “Perpetually Aggrieved Minority Studies” degree.
3 posted on 06/24/2012 7:19:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: pepsionice

Obviously you’re correct.

The problem now is that the education establishment has created this huge beast (called college/university) that has to be fed.

So we send everybody to college, whether they need it or not, many spend a lot of money and fail to get much out of it.


4 posted on 06/24/2012 7:22:16 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: pepsionice

If you can stand the AF Gay Pride Day, or the Flying Faggots on Parade.


5 posted on 06/24/2012 7:24:25 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nascarnation

the education establishment = Big Education™


6 posted on 06/24/2012 7:25:11 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lazamataz

or “transgender studies”, “stick it to Whitey”, “advanced basketweaving”, “inner child studies”....


7 posted on 06/24/2012 7:26:03 AM PDT by Huskrrrr ( the will)
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To: SeekAndFind

At least for anthropology and archeology and, to some extent, social work, most people pursuing those degrees understand that graduate school is pretty much required to be taken seriously in the discipline.

They also overlook that teaching and social work are almost certain to be government jobs usually with exemplary job security and benefits packages.


8 posted on 06/24/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Huskrrrr
“stick it to Whitey”,

I covered that one with the "Perpetually Aggrieved Minority Studies" degree.

9 posted on 06/24/2012 7:27:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: pepsionice

AF is a year in a half just to enlist. They are weeding out big time. ROTC, only 5% make it too.


10 posted on 06/24/2012 7:33:50 AM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: SeekAndFind

Students and parents are catching on that not every degree is worth having. These degrees, and several others, should be among the first to go online and free or very cheap. Both the students and the university now have a compelling interest to bring the cost down, because both now know the current model is unsustainable.


11 posted on 06/24/2012 7:41:27 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind
Arizona Leftists pitched a hissy fit when Gov Brewer decided to appoint a man to the ASU Board of Regents who wanted to do away with Majors that would afford no reasonable assurance of a job after graduation. These Majors did include Women's Studies, etc.
12 posted on 06/24/2012 7:42:31 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: SeekAndFind
Arizona Leftists pitched a hissy fit when Gov Brewer decided to appoint a man to the ASU Board of Regents who wanted to do away with Majors that would afford no reasonable assurance of a job after graduation. These Majors did include Women's Studies, etc.
13 posted on 06/24/2012 7:42:45 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: SeekAndFind

The degrees are not worth the cost if what you want is just money.
People attain degrees for all sorts of reasons, and money is not necessarily the primary reason.


14 posted on 06/24/2012 8:06:40 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s a guy I work with. His wife just finished a Bachelor degree in IT. We live in a rural area, and I could probably count on both hands how many IT jobs there are around here(I have one of them lol). After having no luck finding a job, and being unwilling to move, she has decided to go BACK to school for a Master’s degree so she can be a teacher. Our rural backwoods area, and surrounding counties make up the bottom of the state in teacher salary. The girl is going to go through all of that hard work and expense to get a MS degree for a job that doesn’t even pay $25k per year.

.....STUPID (....and she’s going to be TEACHING children)


15 posted on 06/24/2012 8:07:49 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Lazamataz

Ha, ha, you caught that as well. I’d like to see what is the average salary for a gender/black/women’s/ etc. studies major. Or what percentage of grads (morons) with those majors have jobs in that field.


16 posted on 06/24/2012 8:38:11 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Huskrrrr

>>or “transgender studies”, “stick it to Whitey”, “advanced basketweaving”, “inner child studies”....<<

All of those people just stay in college until they get their upper degrees, then become professors who TEACH that meaningless crap. It is a self-perpetuating circle that contributes nothing to society.


17 posted on 06/24/2012 8:39:28 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Guns Walked -- People Died -- Holder Lied -- Obama Golfed (thanks, Secret Agent Man))
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Thxs, for the post. :-)
the five (for NEWS GRAZERS :)....
Social Work
Elementary Teachers
Drama and Theater Arts
Family and Consumer Studies
Anthropology and Archaeology

18 posted on 06/24/2012 8:43:11 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: Lazamataz

“I’m not seeing the “Confrontive Militant Feminism” degree or the “Perpetually Aggrieved Minority Studies” degree.”


Those and other similar programs are available in an on-line format at the Jackson-Sharpton School of Social Intimidation Studies. Accelerated degrees are available to allow you to advance your career in the exciting field of confrontational intimiation leadership. Government funded grants are readily available to all minorities, union workers, and non-US citizens. /sarc


19 posted on 06/24/2012 9:00:41 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

(Importantly, China is already doing this.)

What is going to happen nationwide, is that some state legislator will demand a simple list from the state universities.

One column will be a listing of majors offered by that university. The other column will be the number of graduates with that major, who are employed in that field of work within six months after graduation.

Or within a year after graduation, given the economy.

The legislator’s argument will be a simple one.

The state subsidizes a university education with the idea that graduates will be able to get a *better* job with a given degree than they would *without* a degree, and thus it will not just benefit them, but the whole state.

However, at the bottom of this list will be those graduates who *never, ever* get a job based on their major. A big zero. So why is the state subsidizing those students wasting their college education and ending up deeply in debt?

Granted, if students are able and willing to pay the entire cost of a college major in “Historical lesbian basket weavers of eastern sub-Saharan Africa”, good for them. But they should not expect a thin dime from the state supporting them in this utterly worthless endeavor.


20 posted on 06/24/2012 9:00:46 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: svcw

“People attain degrees for all sorts of reasons, and money is not necessarily the primary reason.”

As someone with an advanced degree, pray tell me what sorts of reasons those are, that someone or their parents, or taxpayers, should pay enormous sums of money and get horribly into debt to indulge them.

There are few universities now that teach young people how to think, versus what to think; few that teach rigorous mental, emotional, moral or even practical discipline. Going to college has largely become the default position now for those who can’t or won’t do anything more meaningful and useful with their lives.

The simple truth of life is that, in the long run, if a person has nothing of value to offer to others, nobody will want to support that person’s existence. To inculcate generation after generation with the narcissistic conceit that they are entitled to life’s necessities or even other people’s good will whether or not they offer anything useful in exchange is pure nonsense, and nonsense that has caused and will cause great suffering.

If people simply want to learn the liberal arts, I suggest they read the Great Books or watch courses from the Teaching Company. For young people who lack direction and internal discipline, the military presents by far the best option for practical maturation and training, not college. When my slightly older - past military age - patients (I’m a shrink) tell me they are thinking of going back to school to get a degree in impractical whatever, I suggest they consider instead applying for an apprenticeship in, say, welding at the local shipyard, or apprentice with a local plumber or electrician. Those who have followed that advice have thanked me.


21 posted on 06/24/2012 9:14:29 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: svcw

“People attain degrees for all sorts of reasons, and money is not necessarily the primary reason.”

As someone with an advanced degree, pray tell me what sorts of reasons those are, that someone or their parents, or taxpayers, should pay enormous sums of money and get horribly into debt to indulge them.

There are few universities now that teach young people how to think, versus what to think; few that teach rigorous mental, emotional, moral or even practical discipline. Going to college has largely become the default position now for those who can’t or won’t do anything more meaningful and useful with their lives.

The simple truth of life is that, in the long run, if a person has nothing of value to offer to others, nobody will want to support that person’s existence. To inculcate generation after generation with the narcissistic conceit that they are entitled to life’s necessities or even other people’s good will whether or not they offer anything useful in exchange is pure nonsense, and nonsense that has caused and will cause great suffering.

If people simply want to learn the liberal arts, I suggest they read the Great Books or watch courses from the Teaching Company. For young people who lack direction and internal discipline, the military presents by far the best option for practical maturation and training, not college. When my slightly older - past military age - patients (I’m a shrink) tell me they are thinking of going back to school to get a degree in impractical whatever, I suggest they consider instead applying for an apprenticeship in, say, welding at the local shipyard, or apprentice with a local plumber or electrician. Those who have followed that advice have thanked me.


22 posted on 06/24/2012 9:20:14 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux
There are few universities now that teach young people how to think, versus what to think; few that teach rigorous mental, emotional, moral or even practical discipline.

As a homeschooling dad, it has been my pleasure to give my children a classical Christian education using the Veritas Omnibus curriculum. In this manner my older two children have spent their high school years developing their critical thinking skills. On this particular narrow point they have already advanced beyond the majority of college undergraduates. Consequently I feel quite justified in looking at their college experience as simply vocational training.

23 posted on 06/24/2012 9:37:00 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Lazamataz

They’ve been subsumed by “Bitter Women’s Studies”


24 posted on 06/24/2012 9:37:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

I spent a few thousand bucks at a trade school. I’m set to be making more than a 4 year degree costs (according to the story) in the next year. I’ll be high 5 figures this year.

College is highly over price and over rated for many things.


25 posted on 06/24/2012 10:13:24 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: svcw

The degrees are not worth the cost if what you want is just money.
People attain degrees for all sorts of reasons, and money is not necessarily the primary reason.


as long as they pay for it with their own money, or their own loans (that I am not on the hook for) I don’t care what they waste their money on.

When tax dollars pay for it, it better have a decent ROI.


26 posted on 06/24/2012 10:16:18 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t know about you but after I got my degree in Womens Studies and Black History I get more than you can shake a stick at. /s/


27 posted on 06/24/2012 10:17:16 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: nascarnation

Yup, the profs are on higer education welfare. When they throw tenure about as much as they have you can’t ever get rid of them. Salaries in perpetuity. Whether they do any damn good for the university or college, or not.


28 posted on 06/24/2012 10:18:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cableguymn
I spent a few thousand bucks at a trade school. I’m set to be making more than a 4 year degree costs (according to the story) in the next year. I’ll be high 5 figures this year.

College is highly over price and over rated for many things.

Or you could enlist in the military for four years; get money for college; major in petroleum engineering; start out at $100k; go to graduate school after a couple of years and have your employer pay for your MBA; get promoted into management and really make some serious money. Oh wait, college is a waste of time and money isn't it.

29 posted on 06/24/2012 10:34:11 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: svcw
The degrees are not worth the cost if what you want is just money. People attain degrees for all sorts of reasons, and money is not necessarily the primary reason.

Thanks for posting that. Unfortunately, this point goes just straight by a large percentage of FReepers. I would bet that many posting negative comments on certain college majors (esp. liberal arts) have never seen the inside of a college classroom.

30 posted on 06/24/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by OldPossum ( "it's" is the contraction of either "it is" or "it has"; "its" is the possessive pronoun)
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To: SVTCobra03
SVTCobra03 said: "I spent a few thousand bucks at a trade school."

Can you tell us more about what trade you chose and how you made the decision?

There may not be much money but there will be great job security in caring for us aging baby-boomers.

31 posted on 06/24/2012 10:57:29 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: SVTCobra03
SVTCobra03 said: "I spent a few thousand bucks at a trade school."

Can you tell us more about what trade you chose and how you made the decision?

There may not be much money but there will be great job security in caring for us aging baby-boomers.

32 posted on 06/24/2012 10:57:48 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: freedumb2003

I think a lot of those meaningless degree holders end up in law school, too.


33 posted on 06/24/2012 11:00:58 AM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: SVTCobra03

military turned me down due to health reasons. (heart problems) So NOT AN OPTION.

I also said MANY not ALL fields.


34 posted on 06/24/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: SVTCobra03

we also should not forget the 400,000 dollars (or more) I will have made during the 4 years I would have been in the military.

Of the fact that petroleum engineering is not a field I’d want to be in.

I am in the tech industry, I am always in demand. Obama is trying to KILL the petroleum industry.

I work in homes, businesses, hospitals and government buildings. Given the range of companies/people I can work for I feel far safer in the field I am in.

What works for you (or me) won’t work for everyone.


35 posted on 06/24/2012 11:09:12 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: cableguymn

How old are you?


36 posted on 06/24/2012 11:10:37 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: OldPossum

I agree.


37 posted on 06/24/2012 11:17:47 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: nascarnation

Fail to get much out of it?

We employ thousands and thousands of communists who couldn’t do any other work.


38 posted on 06/24/2012 11:20:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only five? Really???

As I recall, I DID consider this when I attended college, well over 30 years ago. I would have liked to be an astronomer - but you are “nobody” in that field until you get a PhD and have some years of academic work and peer respect - and until then, you will be making cheese sandwiches on an iron in a studio apartment, alone.

I didn’t have a rich and/or foolish family that would fund this dream.

I suspect that “easy money” has distorted the free market beyond all recognition in this area. I am also generally disgusted with young people unwilling to pay their dues or get their hands dirty (literally).

It’s true, that money isn’t everything - but tens of millions of people go to work every day basically hating their jobs, so that they can go home to the family and hobbies that they fund end enjoy with the fruits of this labor. Not everybody gets their “dream job”. They never did. They never will.


39 posted on 06/24/2012 11:36:35 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: SeekAndFind

This probably gets enough press every year in the annual review of “best jobs” — but I’ll put in a plug for being an actuary as a career. I have been an actuary for 30 years and it’s still a field where your progression is based on passing exams and where demand exceeds supply.

If you are good at math and like solving problems then there is no need for any graduate coursework. With an exam passed internships are readily available and well paid.

No graduate coursework is required and virtually all employers give time off to study for exams. It’s not easy — you have to take about ten exams and each exam has about a 40% pass rate — and that’s among a pretty smart group of test takers. But if you are willing to work hard it’s doable without any graduate school.

I would encourage any parent of a mathematically gifted child to look into this field. Feel free to email me if you want more information, or go the Society of Actuaris website.


40 posted on 06/24/2012 11:48:58 AM PDT by Wolverine83
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To: svcw

“The degrees are not worth the cost if what you want is just money. People attain degrees for all sorts of reasons, and money is not necessarily the primary reason.”

Sure, and if they pay THEMSELVES for their degrees, then we wouldn’t even be reading this article (and there would be a lot less useless professors). The problem is that there are hundreds of billions of dollars in outstanding loans that taxpayers are ultimately on the hook for, so we take notice.


41 posted on 06/24/2012 12:02:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: KoRn
The girl is going to go through all of that hard work and expense to get a MS degree for a job that doesn’t even pay $25k per year.

Ah, but with a master's degree, she can get into the community college and start teaching the next generation of IT professionals at ~$35 per hour or so. Three years (part-time) experience in the CC and she can be picked up full-time, and those positions start at $50k around here.

Of course, that's peanuts compared to what a real IT professional can make, but then who would teach the next generation if it wasn't for the failures in the field?

42 posted on 06/24/2012 12:27:40 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: KoRn
The girl is going to go through all of that hard work and expense to get a MS degree for a job that doesn’t even pay $25k per year.

Ah, but with a master's degree, she can get into the community college and start teaching the next generation of IT professionals at ~$35 per hour or so. Three years (part-time) experience in the CC and she can be picked up full-time, and those positions start at $50k around here.

Of course, that's peanuts compared to what a real IT professional can make, but then who would teach the next generation if it wasn't for the failures in the field?

43 posted on 06/24/2012 12:27:55 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: cableguymn

Don’t let these guys get to you, they actually do mean well, but have trouble understanding the need for sharp people that don’t sit behind a desk all day and do PowerPoint charts.

I have one of my kids (teenager) replacing a clutch as I type. A year ago me and the boys built a shed in the yard, using the same framing techniques that are used in (well-built) homes to withstand hurricanes. They can also do just about any routine auto repair (alternator, timing belt, drive axle, etc.), can do wiring reasonably well (with some oversight), and can sweat copper joints. We haven’t had enough air conditioner breakdowns or they’d learn that too.

But, most likely, they’ll still end up as engineers, since their academics (particularly math and reading, which I taught them) are many years ahead of their peers. But they will also have the skills they need to practically never have to rely on “the man” to fix their stuff and they will (hopefully) be able to distinguish between the need to replace a start capacitor and the need to replace a compressor unit.

Having drilled through top plates using right angle drill with a 2-9/16 hole cutter (for 2” Schedule 40 vent pipe), I can tell you that I have a ton of respect for you guys. Maybe when my kids are 25 years old I’ll introduce them to that particular skill, since, for now, I prefer them to not have broken arms or wrists.


44 posted on 06/24/2012 12:32:37 PM PDT by BobL
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To: MinorityRepublican

Old enough to know better young enough to do it again. Not sure why age is an issue. The military turned me down at age 19.


45 posted on 06/24/2012 12:47:09 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Old enough to know better young enough to do it again. Not sure why age is an issue. The military turned me down at age 19.


46 posted on 06/24/2012 12:47:19 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: BobL

I left the automotive field. I am still an ase master tech. The money has left the field for mechanics. I started wrenching at 80k a year and quit when my experience was 10 plus years and shops where offering 15 to 20 an hour on flat rate.


47 posted on 06/24/2012 12:52:14 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: cableguymn

“I left the automotive field. I am still an ase master tech. The money has left the field for mechanics. I started wrenching at 80k a year and quit when my experience was 10 plus years and shops where offering 15 to 20 an hour on flat rate.”

Damn. Popular Mechanics used to run some of the questions from the ASA test. They were vicious. Something like the “The headlights fail on a 1983 Ford Ranger, this could be due to: (1) An intermittent short circuit in the integrated headlight turn-signal switch; (2) A loose ground on the B58 fender stud; or (3) A pressure differential between the headlight (interior) and the ambient air, due to a clog in the vent line.”

Like I’m supposed to be able to answer that question.

Nice job, ASE is not easy to achieve. So what happened to kill off the value of your skill? Too many mechanics, maybe too many “off the books mechanics”?


48 posted on 06/24/2012 1:21:07 PM PDT by BobL
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To: cableguymn

“I left the automotive field. I am still an ase master tech. The money has left the field for mechanics. I started wrenching at 80k a year and quit when my experience was 10 plus years and shops where offering 15 to 20 an hour on flat rate.”

Damn. Popular Mechanics used to run some of the questions from the ASA test. They were vicious. Something like the “The headlights fail on a 1983 Ford Ranger, this could be due to: (1) An intermittent short circuit in the integrated headlight turn-signal switch; (2) A loose ground on the B58 fender stud; or (3) A pressure differential between the headlight (interior) and the ambient air, due to a clog in the vent line.”

Like I’m supposed to be able to answer that question.

Nice job, ASE is not easy to achieve. So what happened to kill off the value of your skill? Too many mechanics, maybe too many “off the books mechanics”?


49 posted on 06/24/2012 1:22:05 PM PDT by BobL
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To: cableguymn

“I left the automotive field. I am still an ase master tech. The money has left the field for mechanics. I started wrenching at 80k a year and quit when my experience was 10 plus years and shops where offering 15 to 20 an hour on flat rate.”

Damn. Popular Mechanics used to run some of the questions from the ASA test. They were vicious. Something like the “The headlights fail on a 1983 Ford Ranger, this could be due to: (1) An intermittent short circuit in the integrated headlight turn-signal switch; (2) A loose ground on the B58 fender stud; or (3) A pressure differential between the headlight (interior) and the ambient air, due to a clog in the vent line.”

Like I’m supposed to be able to answer that question.

Nice job, ASE is not easy to achieve. So what happened to kill off the value of your skill? Too many mechanics, maybe too many “off the books mechanics”?


50 posted on 06/24/2012 1:22:14 PM PDT by BobL
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