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Chinese manufacturing output surpassed US manufacturing output in 2010
United Nations ^ | 13 July 2012

Posted on 07/13/2012 1:58:32 PM PDT by moonshot925

I made this graph based on data from the United Nations.

2010 was the first year that Chinese manufacturing output surpassed US manufacturing output.

There is no data available for 2011 or 2012 yet.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: china; economy; globalism; manufacturing; redchina
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We need to stop arming China. This is bad.

We can't stop it -- short of going to war and if you suggest that, then I accuse you of blowing smoke.

21 posted on 07/13/2012 3:39:16 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy

We need to stop arming China.

I repeat. Lots and lots of our production in China, is building China’s defense base.

Building it big and strong. We need to stop that.

Now.

We need to recognize there are bigger things than elections. Bigger things indeed.

If the world goes Chicom, we all lose.

It’s that simple.


22 posted on 07/13/2012 3:42:05 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I think it actually makes some Free Traitors mad that there is any manufacturing done in the USA. I mean it all should be offshored in their little myopic world. I mean China opened up the world to slave lobar, why make anything here? That’s how they think.


23 posted on 07/13/2012 3:45:07 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Yeah I know.

It’s a big thing to turn around such a juggernaut.

With no funding either... Our side is currently and sadly, quite asleep as to what is happening.


24 posted on 07/13/2012 3:47:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Theoria
Yet, income per worker is barely keeping up with inflation thanks to global wage arbitrage.

Why aren't you complaining about the inflation -- it's not a natural phenomenon, you know. Global wage "arbitrage" wouldn't be a factor without our government's policy of cheapening the value of the dollar.

You're chasing the wrong problem.

25 posted on 07/13/2012 3:47:58 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: moonshot925

“We have 14 ballistic missile submarines. Each one carries 24 SLBMs with 96 thermonuclear warheads.”

It seems those days are about to end.

...next excuse please.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/02/us-edging-toward-decision-on-new-nuclear-arms-cuts/


26 posted on 07/13/2012 3:49:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BfloGuy
We can't stop it -- short of going to war and if you suggest that, then I accuse you of blowing smoke.

tar·iff noun \ˈter-əf, ˈta-rəf\

Definition of TARIFF

  1. a : a schedule of duties imposed by a government on imported or in some countries exported goods

    b : a duty or rate of duty imposed in such a schedule

  2. : a schedule of rates or charges of a business or a public utility
  3. : price, charge See tariff defined for English-language learners »

    See tariff defined for kids »


27 posted on 07/13/2012 3:56:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Hitler had massive amounts of gas and v-2 rockets to deliver it

The V-2 was incredibly unreliable before January 1944.

80% of the rockets blew up on the launch pad.

It would have been an ineffective weapon if Hitler had used it before 1944.

When both sides have nukes it will be conventional

From 1949 to 1991 the Soviet Union and United States both had nuclear weapons.

Why didn't we have a conventional war with the Soviets?

28 posted on 07/13/2012 4:01:01 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: central_va
I think it actually makes some Free Traitors mad that there is any manufacturing done in the USA. I mean it all should be offshored in their little myopic world. I mean China opened up the world to slave lobar, why make anything here? That’s how they think.

It's funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom "traitors." I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good.

Just like the socialists do!

29 posted on 07/13/2012 4:03:59 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy
Because globalism is greater influence on wages than 'inflation'. The end point would be our wages dropping, while other countries increasing to meet ours.

Businesses are cutting costs and increasing competition, not because of inflation but of the global competition of reduced prices. Instead of raising the salary of a productive worker, ya can always go overseas. That, and companies can easily offset inflationary increases with hedging.

I agree inflation is a concern, but the greater threat will be deflationary outcomes. High unemployment, high debts, etc. Deflation looms large.

30 posted on 07/13/2012 4:05:30 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: BfloGuy

“It’s funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom “traitors.” I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good. “

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Yes, that is exactly what he is saying.

And I for one, agree strongly with him on this.


31 posted on 07/13/2012 4:10:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: BfloGuy

I guess North American Aviation should have out sourced production of the P-51 to the Japanese during WWII.


32 posted on 07/13/2012 4:13:00 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BobL
next excuse please

We could collapse China's economy by destroying Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou and Shenzhen.

We have the capability to destroy these 5 cities and will maintain that capability for many years to come.

33 posted on 07/13/2012 4:15:55 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: BfloGuy
t's funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom "traitors." I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good. Just like the socialists do!

Ok do you have the guts to answer these questions: If all manufacturing was offshored to China would that concern you at all? If slaves can make things cheaper in China, there is no logic in manufacturing anything in the USA right?

34 posted on 07/13/2012 4:24:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A tariff is a TAX and all taxes slow economic growth.

The last thing we need is a slower growing economy.

Why would conservatives supporting new taxes?


35 posted on 07/13/2012 4:24:38 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Tell me, if the USA refused to drop a bomb on North Vietnam, which would have saved 50,000 US lives, do you really think there is a scenario in which a US President pushes the button? I don’t think so.


36 posted on 07/13/2012 4:26:47 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925

Just saying, an American tariff made sense for this person for several years now.

Recently I’m going critical.

I think we should be discouraging Chinese exports.


37 posted on 07/13/2012 4:29:01 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: moonshot925
A tariff is a TAX and all taxes slow economic growth.

We either pay our uninitiated and lower IQ citizens to make things or pay them to do nothing and vote democratic. I say a tariff is a great bargain in the long run.

38 posted on 07/13/2012 4:33:14 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

EXACTLY the thing which turned me around.

We’re going to pay for our poor anyway.

Either we PAY them to work and become Republicans, or we pay them to do nothing and become Democrats.

Democrats, continue to grow. They’re now almost completely unbeatable.

Next time they’ll likely become unbeatable.

We must stop that now.


39 posted on 07/13/2012 4:37:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: central_va
If all manufacturing was offshored to China would that concern you at all?

Yes, it would. It won't be. Manufacturing output in the U.S. is double what it was in 1970. In other words, manufacturing has increased here -- what manufacturing was lost, has been replaced by other manufacturing. Consumer goods manufacturing is going abroad. The profits are less than capital goods manufacturing which has flourished here.

If slaves can make things cheaper in China, there is no logic in manufacturing anything in the USA right?

You talk as if wages were the only manufacturing input and that slave labor is as efficient and knowledgable as a free work-force. Both are nonsensical. The U.S. has advantages in technology, educated workforce, and infrastructure. Those advantages, it's true, are somewhat squandered with our regulatory, tax, and monetary policies, but they still exist.

And China, despite it's communist government, is still not a slave-labor country. You guys worrying about our trade deficit with China are not completely wrong about the problems, but you don't correctly identify the causes.

Washington's debt, inflation, and taxes have given the advantage to China. Why don't you worry about those?

40 posted on 07/13/2012 4:38:01 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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