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Rude surprise: French fed up with own incivility
KOMO News ^ | July 27, 2012 | THOMAS ADAMSON

Posted on 07/29/2012 9:35:11 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Edited on 07/29/2012 10:12:17 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

PARIS (AP) - It's a July evening on the terrace of the legendary Cafe Flore. A coiffed woman sips chilled wine, another savors her chocolate eclair.

The one thing to complete a perfect picture of Parisian life? A dash of French rudeness.


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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: cheese; france; surrender; whine
In related news, France continues to not want me to vacation there. Works for me.
1 posted on 07/29/2012 9:35:14 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I was in Paris once, will never go back. I had a rude waiter and we told him to take his food and stick it where the sun don’t shine. We left and went some place else.


2 posted on 07/29/2012 9:39:31 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Sharia will fix it.

Karma can be a bitch.


3 posted on 07/29/2012 9:40:08 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Incivility is an urban thing, prevalent in big cities everywhere, and probably due to their overcrowding. There is the old joke about the Canadian tourists in New York. One of them goes up to a New Yorker to ask for directions: “Could you tell me which way to the Empire State building — or should I just go f— myself?”


4 posted on 07/29/2012 9:43:32 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Overpriced and overrated.


5 posted on 07/29/2012 9:44:33 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I think I will go order some Freedom Fries at McDonald’s


6 posted on 07/29/2012 9:44:33 AM PDT by omega4179 ( el 0bama comio un perro)
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To: RC2

I have been to Paris many times and only ever had one rude waiter. I persevered with him and he ended up giving me a liqueur at the end of the meal.


7 posted on 07/29/2012 9:46:23 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I misread the title at first; I thought it said INVINCIBILITY. Thought it was some kind of joke!


8 posted on 07/29/2012 9:46:34 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

A silly article, the equivalent of one that writes about New Yorkers to represent Americans. And it ignores the fact that for more than a century, Paris has been overrun with rowdy, druken tourists - and then there were two German occupations.
The French, even the Parisians, are wonderful when you get to know them. Remember that Paris for more than a century was the international capital of the arts and of modernism, and that was in part because Paris welcomed, and made space for, artists and writers who could not find a place in their own countries.
I consider that to be more than hospitable.


9 posted on 07/29/2012 9:50:18 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: expat2

As a New Yorker, you learn at an early age that nine out of ten people who approach you on the street with a friendly smile are trying to scam you in one way or another. Hence the default curtness with strangers.


10 posted on 07/29/2012 9:51:03 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I’ll bet if the French created a new government cotillion bureau all of these problems would go away.


11 posted on 07/29/2012 9:52:04 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“French fed up with own incivility ..”

Can you surrender to yourself?


12 posted on 07/29/2012 9:53:36 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I suppose that I seem to only meet the polite people in Paris, and every Parisian I encountered was really friendly and interested that I was vacationing there and wanted to know what I thought of France and their nation's capital.

Paris has still got to be the world's most magnificent city. I can't wait to return. Only one world city astonished me at every turn like Paris did, and that's New York City. Until you see the landmarks of Paris with your own eyes, no photographs can do them justice. I also admired how no Frenchwoman would dare go out in public for any reason without dressing to look her best.

I did whisper to my wife several times in the Metropolitain subway that I was taller than everyone on the train. Walking through Paris I noticed that I seemed to be taller than almost everyone except other tourists and Africans.

13 posted on 07/29/2012 10:00:31 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
When visiting Paris in the mid-80’s, we were double charged for our meal at a sidewalk cafe on the Champs Elysees. Lucky my husband spoke French. He saw the scam and spoke in perfect French to the waiter. Problem fixed. But after having lived near LA for 19 years, I almost expect people to be rude or try some criminal act. Sad to say, cities are short on respect for honest people. Life is cheap in SoCal. How do we get back to the nice, wholesome place that America used to be?
14 posted on 07/29/2012 10:00:36 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
paris is simply trading on the beauty of centuries old architecture without which, even the french wouldn't live there...
15 posted on 07/29/2012 10:00:57 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Talisker

Exactly!
What the hell do the French have that we should expend our effort, blood and treasure to protect from muslims? Nothing!
The French and the muslims deserve each other.


16 posted on 07/29/2012 10:03:01 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Slings and Arrows; Revolting cat!
But Paris's public transport authority is leading the fight-back in a summer-long publicity campaign against rudeness. Billboards depicting Frenchmen with animal heads have dominated metro stations; they target passengers who are rude to staff and push and shove. "If you shove five people getting onboard," the posters say, "it won't make us set off faster." Bus ads read: "One bonjour doesn't cost a penny, and it changes your day."

I'm SHOCKED!

17 posted on 07/29/2012 10:10:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; wagglebee
"We used humor to not be moralistic," says Isabelle Ockrent, RATP communications director.

Because if there is anything French Socialists don't like, it's MORALS.

18 posted on 07/29/2012 10:12:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: kabumpo

I visited Paris quite a bit in the 80’s. I found many of the Parisians to be needlessly rude. I was attempting to speak French, but that didn’t seem to matter.

You are correct in that tourists can be rude, but we were not rude.

Some say that the French got their noses out of joint BECAUSE they were the center of law and culture, but those days are past.

Outside of Paris, I found French people to be more friendly, though still quite reserved.

I would still recommend visiting the country, as it is so interesting.


19 posted on 07/29/2012 10:13:10 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Another —”one of the many ways France is changing” -— most of the names in the article are not French names.

Is the attitude the same in the rest of the country, or is it just Paris? (similar to a New York City attitude?)


20 posted on 07/29/2012 10:16:32 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Funny enough, the people were nicer when I visited way back in the early 80s; young girls would say «pardon» rather than push past you. The elder folk who were manning the public restrooms weren’t so nice; you’d hand them the money and they’d say «là» (“over there”) while pointing at an empty stall.


21 posted on 07/29/2012 10:18:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Chode
paris is simply trading on the beauty of centuries old architecture without which, even the french wouldn't live there...

and "they didn't build that." Really, they didn't, that was a different France. I think the French are realizing that people don't have to go to France. They can go to, say Asia. And if they go to Asia, they are usually treated with more respect.

22 posted on 07/29/2012 10:24:05 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I didn’t find the French to be any different than Americans.

People in Paris were often rude. That is true of any big city. How is this any different than the rude people in DC or LA or San Francisco? Big city people are stressed out and defensive.

I found French people in rural France to be warm and friendly.

I toured the Normandy beaches for the 60th anniversary of D-Day. We had someone on our tour fall terribly ill. One of our group took them to a house in the rural town of Caen, which was the first town liberated on D-Day, by the Canadians I believe.

They knocked on a door only to ask for a hospital location. The French resident not only told them, he took them to the hospital, waited while the member of our tour received treatment, and then drove them back to our hotel.

FWIW, I found even the French city people were less rude when you made a strong good-faith attempt to speak French, and not be the ugly American acting like the waiters and clerks are your house slaves just because you are throwing US dollars at them.

You want rude? I am 53 years old born and raised in San Francisco. That city is RUDE! Massed immigration and years not teaching children manners results in a city of people that are just rude, opportunistic, selfish, self-centered takers. I lived in San Francisco from 1996 to 2007, and in all that time MAYBE 10 drivers waved to me when I let them in my lane or let someone in a street from a parking lot. Seriously. This used to be standard fare in the 70s. Now they act like they deserve to be let in rather than acknowledging a courteous act.

I think the people of San Francisco are at least as rude as those in Paris. At least.


23 posted on 07/29/2012 10:59:04 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: RC2
It is true that many, but not all, French are rude. The only example of their rudeness was in Paris when I was looking at post cards (this was before emails) on display rack on counter of Hotel reception desk. As I examined each card, and then replaced it on the rack, the clerk became noticeably agitated by fidgeting, harrumphing, and frowning. I was going to buy some cards but decided to ruin his day by leaving without buying.
24 posted on 07/29/2012 11:05:09 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Winstons Julia

Well, I sympathize, and I understand that of course you weren’t rude, but look at the bigger picture - if you had experienced an onslaught of abusive rudeness from, say, New Yorkers, being drunk and rowdy and vulgar in your town for decades, and then I, a New Yorker came along and was perfectly nice - and mystified and hurt by your grumpiness - do you see what I mean? After decades of garbage, one clean thing can’t make a difference.
And even though Paris may no longer be the world capital of art, the fact that it was for so long, and until so recently, is the reason that modern art - painting, dance, literature even came into existence, and is the source and reason for any art we have today. So it can’t be dismissed as “that was last year”, because just as Greek philosophy of democracy is the source and reason of Western civilization, and continues in it, the Parisian contribution to modern culture lives on in our culture, and our culture would not exist had Paris not been there.


25 posted on 07/29/2012 11:14:22 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: The KG9 Kid

RE: your height, and I’m going WAY off topic now. Here is some trivia.

Rumor has it that France was near the top of nations for average height until massive number of tall men were killed off in the Napoleonic wars. Who knows? Now France ranks 32nd among nations for average height of men.

http://www.interbasket.net/news/4385/2009/09/average-height-by-country-males-20-years/

The USA used to be #1 for average height of males, mostly due to our superior nutrition being a wealthy nation. Now we rank 17th.

Some blame fast food and poor nutrition. I think when you flood the US with immigrants from Central America and Asia, you are going to see reduced average heights. But that is just my own theory. Who knows?

I have to admit that nutrition plays a huge role.

When I was younger, the bay area had a lot of FOB Asian immigrants who were short, low to mid 5-foot range. Now you see their daughters growing to be 5’-8” because they now have good nutrition instead of the lack of nutrition stunting their leg growth in Asia.

So I could be wrong. It could all be nutrition. I don’t know. I still buy the theory that tall French men were mowed down in great numbers in the Napoleonic wars, although in the closing years, I’m sure a lot of short guys were as well.


26 posted on 07/29/2012 11:15:05 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

They are shorter than we are - like the Italians - as the result of short rations from two world wars. I spent time in Italy as a child, and by age 11 (at about 5 ft) I was taller than many adults I saw.


27 posted on 07/29/2012 11:27:16 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
In yet another example of French rudeness... Oh, wait, what?


28 posted on 07/29/2012 11:29:49 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Napoleon wouldn’t be the cause of Italians being so short when I was growing up and their being up to eight inches taller now. Ditto the Japanese. We distributed massive amounts of food and money under the Marshall Plan.


29 posted on 07/29/2012 11:34:54 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I was stationed at 6th Army HQ at the Presidio of San Francisco from Oct 1991 to Sept 1963. This was before the hippies, before Harvey Milk, before Nancy Pelosi, and before the invasion of derelicts. SF was a beautiful city with, for the most part, friendly inhabitants. But change does come.


30 posted on 07/29/2012 12:03:06 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Vince Ferrer
i hear ya...
31 posted on 07/29/2012 1:35:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I took my wife to a friend's wedding in NYC a few years back about a year after Guiliani had stepped down.

It was "magical" compared to what I remember.

My wife and I met an unbelievable amount of nice and kind people randomly throughout the city.

At one point we got on a city bus to head to a certain area for touring and shopping. There was a large black woman driving the bus, smiling and greeting everyone who got on. When we saw an elderly woman step on, I noticed the bus was full and offered her my seat. She gave me a big beaming smile and I saw the driving with as big a smile in one of the mirrors. At the next stop there were more elderly and one of the young black men got up next and there was a steady sequence of people doing the same. There was an amazing vibe happening on that bus, maybe it was the driver? Who knows.

The whole trip was like that, though. I couldn't explain it to my wife and she was just loving, so why mess it up by downtalking it?

Anyway, I hear it's nothing like what it was a couple of years ago and bloomingnazi has destroyed all of Guiliani's progress. Very sad to hear.

Oh, screw Paris. They were rude as hell. The folks in the countryside were wonderful however. When Paris falls I hope they seal the borders to the city and leave them to work it out for themselves.

32 posted on 07/29/2012 3:25:20 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Caipirabob
an amazing vibe happening on that bus

You go on and take that bus to Paris.

33 posted on 07/29/2012 3:30:37 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Had a meal in France once. Actually it was Monaco, but close enough. Food was very good. The waiter was actually a black from Cuba. Works in France/Monaco for awhile, then goes back to Cuba. Nice fella. Tried to order a Mocha. Big mistake. He told me they do not have Mocha’s in France. What ? Thought the French loved chocolate. Just not in their coffee apparently. Well he tried to make me one, and it was awful. Melted chocolate at the bottom of the coffee cup. Had to keep stirring it up. The moral of the story - Never order a Mocha in France.


34 posted on 07/29/2012 4:59:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: RC2

No joke. I was in France once when I was in the military. Never again, thanks for steering me right, lousy French. The whole country can go suck an egg.


35 posted on 07/29/2012 8:15:14 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: expat2

Hehe, I like that. And yes, the cities here in the states are rude, too. I like Evel Knievel’s quote: “To give this country an enema, you should stick the hose in the Holland tunnel and flush out the New Yorkers.”


36 posted on 07/29/2012 8:18:15 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: RC2

I wonder if this was the waiter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXTe5GOYGz8


37 posted on 07/29/2012 8:20:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: wideawake

Sounds like an Arab city, where the hustlers are all over you. My commiserations regarding you having to live in an environment like that.....


38 posted on 07/29/2012 8:25:26 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Vince Ferrer

No joke. I’d go back to Taiwan or Singapore any time. France can go suck it.

I thought Montreal was full of a-holes, too. The group of 4-5 that I was with got turned away from a few restaurants when they saw that we don’t speak French. There’s something about that language that rots the brain.


39 posted on 07/29/2012 8:26:14 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: luvbach1

Change comes sadly.

I can’t imagine how wonderful San Francisco was in 1963. I was in the first grade at the time, so I didn’t see much except my front yard, school, and a bit of SF from the back seat of dad’s car.


40 posted on 07/30/2012 10:47:55 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Caipirabob

I visited NYC in 2002. I couldn’t believe how clean it was.

San Francisco’s Market Street and financial center was a cesspool of litter from workers and excretion from bums.

In NYC, Battery Park was clean and they kicked the bums off the benches before the tourists woke up. Wall Street was clean. Even the subway platforms were reasonbly clean and the subways felt reasonably safe, riding even until before midnight.

Giuliani did a hell of a job. I was extremely impressed.


41 posted on 07/30/2012 10:54:43 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: expat2

If you never go to Egypt, you’re not missing a damn thing. The pyramids (that the occupying ragheads didn’t build but love to take credit for) are neat for a few hours, everything else about the country sucks. Everything there is about making your wallet lighter through fair means and foul. I know a guy (I swear it wasn’t me) got a camel ride out into the desert. When you get far out, let the bidding begin—they make you buy your ride back. Jerks.


42 posted on 08/02/2012 6:36:23 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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