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San Francisco Hypocrite Alert: Yosemite's lost valley will be subject of vote
Associated Press ^ | Aug. 5, 2012 | TRACIE CONE and JASON DEAREN

Posted on 08/05/2012 12:11:27 PM PDT by jwsea55

YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK, Calif. (AP) — This fall San Franciscans will vote on a local measure with national implications: It could return to the American people a flooded gorge described as the twin of breathtaking Yosemite Valley.

Voters will decide whether they want a plan for draining the 117-billion-gallon Hetch Hetchy reservoir in Yosemite National Park, exposing for the first time in 80 years a glacially carved, granite-ringed valley of towering waterfalls 17 miles north of its more famous geologic sibling.

The November ballot measure asks: Should city officials devise a modern water plan that incorporates recycling and study expansion of other storage reservoirs to make up the loss?

The measure could eventually undo a controversial century-old decision by Congress that created the only reservoir in a national park and slaked the thirst of a city 190 miles away.

The battle over Hetch Hetchy, first waged unsuccessfully by naturalist John Muir, had turned the Sierra Club from an outdoors group into an environmental powerhouse. The fight gained momentum in recent years when unlikely allies joined forces.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Local News
KEYWORDS: california; feinstein; hetchhetchy; johnmuir; pelosi; sanfrancisco; sierraclub; yosemite
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To: cripplecreek
On one side are Republican lawmakers and environmentalists, including Ronald Reagan's former interior secretary, who want the dam removed and valley restored. On the other are Democratic San Franciscans, led by Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, fighting to hold onto the city's famously pure drinking water in a drought-prone state.

The oh so saintly republicans are doing this.

This is truly to bizarre to be true. Are all of us having the same bad dream?

Years ago, Michael Savage claimed 'they' were using bleach to disinfect SF streets.

21 posted on 08/05/2012 12:51:37 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: Mike Darancette
Thanks for the pics!!

Not to start any rumors, but where do you think SF politicans bury the bodies? Just a question.

22 posted on 08/05/2012 12:54:23 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: jwsea55
The time for this decision was 100 years ago, when it still could have been implemented at a reasonable cost. While I tend to side with John Muir on the matter, it's a little too late to turn back the clock at this point, at least if the welfare of the inhabitants of the Bay Area is foremost in mind.

The bill in question directs the city to "devise a plan", and if this is anything like other eco-fantasy pipe dreams that's going to be quite a plan. They will follow it at their peril, and it shouldn't be up to the rest of us to bail them out when the cost of feeling good about themselves starts to become apparent.

Nevertheless, so long as the recourse isn't simply to pull power from the grid elsewhere, and expropriate other people's water, then I say go for it. Its proponents may find that "sustainable" really does have a meaning.

23 posted on 08/05/2012 12:56:43 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: jwsea55

Not really. There are many good people who live out there as well. And California has a huge economy (one of the big problems is that California’s economy is so bad, precisely thanks to projects like this, that it’s affecting all of us) and this could really bring it down.

This is an environmentalist weirdo thing. They’ve already induced a drought in the San Joaquin Valley, in case you wondered why your veggie and meat prices were rising...


24 posted on 08/05/2012 12:56:58 PM PDT by livius
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To: jwsea55

In Michigan our governor is one of these Green Republican morons who is using state and federal matching funds to buy private land for “preservation”.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/08/gov_rick_snyder_oks_38m_for_re.html#incart_river_default


25 posted on 08/05/2012 12:58:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jwsea55

So these lunatics are going to vote to eliminate their own water supply. Is there a downside to this?

Pray for America


26 posted on 08/05/2012 12:59:05 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: jwsea55

Here’s the thing...if someone would fund a eight-foot pipeline from Hudson bay....across most of Canada and down to central California...they’d have more than enough water for just about everyone. But the environmentalists would get involved and demand a forty-year research project, and it’d never be done.

My guess here is that San Francisco will vote to undam the valley...and then wonder in two years how and why their water supply is now very limited and tripled in price.


27 posted on 08/05/2012 1:04:35 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: livius
Not really. There are many good people who live out there as well. And California has a huge economy (one of the big problems is that California’s economy is so bad, precisely thanks to projects like this, that it’s affecting all of us) and this could really bring it down.

This is an environmentalist weirdo thing. They’ve already induced a drought in the San Joaquin Valley, in case you wondered why your veggie and meat prices were rising...

Only (half) joking. I would assume the good people would see the writing on the wall.

It is tragic what has happened to the Valley through environmentalism and the endangered species.

28 posted on 08/05/2012 1:05:17 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks jwsea55.
The November ballot measure asks: Should city officials devise a modern water plan that incorporates recycling and study expansion of other storage reservoirs to make up the loss? The measure could eventually undo a controversial century-old decision by Congress that created the only reservoir in a national park and slaked the thirst of a city 190 miles away.
Sure, and if you remove one dam, you can make up for the lost power generation with the remaining dams. What assholes.


29 posted on 08/05/2012 1:11:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: pepsionice
Here’s the thing...if someone would fund a eight-foot pipeline from Hudson bay....across most of Canada and down to central California...they’d have more than enough water for just about everyone. But the environmentalists would get involved and demand a forty-year research project, and it’d never be done.

So what would be the point of pumping seawater across country?
30 posted on 08/05/2012 1:13:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
Does Lansing still claim ownership to Detroit?

Charlie LeDuff golfs the length of Detroit ...video only too funny.

31 posted on 08/05/2012 1:14:22 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: cripplecreek

They are going to take a dam out up here, one that could have been a decent producer of power. It will leave a muddy mess when they do, but they’ll surely make up for it with the pretty windmills they install.........


32 posted on 08/05/2012 1:19:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: jwsea55

LeDuff is great. I suspect he’s liberal but he’s not above beating the crap out of detroit politicians.

Here he beats up on the Conyers Clan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_t6x3h8vLI


33 posted on 08/05/2012 1:20:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: bray
So these lunatics are going to vote to eliminate their own water supply. Is there a downside to this?

BUMP

34 posted on 08/05/2012 1:21:17 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark; cripplecreek

I wonder if the dams were put there for any reason originally?


35 posted on 08/05/2012 1:22:25 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: jwsea55
These people must be insane..... It will take decades for the valley to be restored to it's natural beauty.....

Not to speak of the higher cost associated with water and power that goes with no longer using the resource for dirt cheap ....$30,000 a year... Liberalism is a mental disorder....

36 posted on 08/05/2012 1:25:12 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: jwsea55

Water has always precipitated bitter conflict in California; not for its lack of availability but for the manner in which it’s distributed. What enviro-nazis and their lap-dog politicians have done in this state is enough to make you scream! Jerry Brown is re-submitting his peripheral canal proposal (nuanced, of course) and the enviros are apoplectic!


37 posted on 08/05/2012 1:26:12 PM PDT by old school
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To: Lakeshark

Is that the Boardman dam?

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/massive_boardman_river_dam_rem.html

This crap needs to be stopped. We have hundreds of dams in Michigan that could be producing power (Many once did) and the environmentals on both sides of the aisle can’t tear them out fast enough.

Meanwhile in the heart of Michigan liberalism they are actually going to use the existing dams. Here is the feasibility study.

http://www.a2gov.org/government/publicservices/systems_planning/Environment/hrimp/Documents/Final%20Stantec%20Report%20-%20no%20appendices.pdf

I wonder how often windmills run above capacity?


38 posted on 08/05/2012 1:28:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
LeDuff is great. I suspect he’s liberal but he’s not above beating the crap out of detroit politicians.

Here he beats up on the Conyers Clan.

...and Conyers' wife getting publicly assisted meals and housing at a Fed penitentiary.

LeDuff has done some great pieces!

39 posted on 08/05/2012 1:28:57 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: jwsea55

This one was a hydro power dam put up in the 1920’s, it could have been easily restored to be an actual generator of power, but the greenies teamed up with a few fisherman to tear it down. They want to tear down every dam in America, to bring us closer to a pristine state.


40 posted on 08/05/2012 1:32:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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