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Tips for setting up a survival retreat
Survivalist Blog ^ | 8/23/12 | M.D. Creekmore

Posted on 08/24/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by Kartographer

We should consider ourselves lucky that large-scale disaster events are few and far between. Most survival situations run for a short duration with many lasting less than ten days, and are what I refer to as ‘green’ events (a disaster lasting 1-10 days). Most green events can be handled by hunkering down at home with an ample supply of survival food and water and some alternative cooking means such as a camp-stove or even your back yard gas grill.

Throw in some other basic survival gear that can be easily found at any outdoor camping store, some common sense thinking regarding prepping, and you will be set to face a green event. However, larger disaster threats are out there, and such events that fall into the ‘yellow’ and ‘red’ event category (yellow event 10-90 days, red event 90+ days into years) typically spell bad news for entire regions and sometimes entire countries.

You can pretty much count on a yellow or red event having a complete breakdown of society at some point. Water service might not be operating, electrical power may not be available, stores will not be getting resupplied from distribution centers, people will start to starve and panic, looting and rioting will take place, people will die, people will get sick from poor hygiene, some will contract otherwise controlled diseases, the government will not be able to keep control… it will be basically everybody fending for themselves. And the worse place you will want to be is anywhere near a city or large town.

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In my opinion timing will be everything. Leaving for a BOL to late and you run the risk of being stranded, homeless and a refugee. I have no answer as to the magic formula that tells you it's time to get out of Dodge.

I would recommend that if you do have a BOL you might consider the first week of November to be a good choice in to stage a practice bug out. It can't hurt.

For those of you that a rural retreat just isn't possible or practical consider a couple options. Practice that week bugging in at your home. Practice your plans, test your equipment, use some of your supplies cook over a fire, use stored water, try going the week or 5 days or so without using power, gas, city water/sewer. Practice stealth see if you can spend the week at home without any one knowing you are home.

November 6th is a crossroads a good time to reflect, practice and pray.

1 posted on 08/24/2012 6:29:12 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Weekly Preppers’ Thread!!!!!


2 posted on 08/24/2012 6:30:34 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I live in a rural area and have everything I need except gasoline and food. During the Summer and early Fall, I have enough fruit to live on tho I would get tired of figs, Japanese persimmons, pears, pecans, apples, grapes, and plums.

I guess I should store some meat and spices and maybe dried meals. I have plenty of water and wood for fuel.

I once ran into an incredible deal on MREs at a gun show. Some guy had a pickup truck full of them he had obtained after Hurricane Andrew. I think he was just tired of hauling them around and he traded me 36 cases of 12 each for only $40. That may have been the cheapest anyone ever got MREs. Well I bet he got them for nothing.

That was roughly 10 cents per meal and these were the real thing with heaters.

Basically the best thing for me to do would be to stay home.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 6:44:11 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Kartographer

I agree.

I’m planning to soon take a week and go “off the grid.” I live in the woods, have a well and septic.

Sewer won’t be a problem. But water will be. My well has a 220 volt motor. Short of buying a 220 volt generator, I’m not sure how to handle this. I plan to catch rain water and filter it through a Big Berky-like setup. I’ve been buying five gallon pickle buckets for $2/each at Firehouse Subs, $$ goes to charity. Food grade plastic.

During my trial I will let the electric run the ‘fridge, but don’t plan to open it. No electric lights, no A/C, no heat.

I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about what the trial will be like. Simple stuff like how to keep track of time. Do you have a wind up clock? How about an automatic wristwatch?

My goal is to pretend we’ve been hit by an EMP. I guess that’s the worst case scenario.

I’m looking forward to taking lots of notes and learning a lot.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 6:57:37 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Kartographer

Absolutely - PRACTICE.

Get away from, move out of cities.

Either have a place snuggled away, gardens, know how to can, have own well - with all-weather hand pump, wood stove, 2-yr supply of wood, know your wild edibles, know who your area people are -

you are not going to be able to just hike off into the woods after TSHTF - Woods you may think are ‘unihabited”, aren’t. The locals won’t be waiting with open arms - “arms” yes, but not “open”


5 posted on 08/24/2012 6:59:21 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: Kartographer
Tip number 1(Over ruling lame article): If you are not part of an army, then an army is likely to kill you and take your stuff (as you lack the air support, artillery support, and likely the MOPP gear that are required to hold out against an army more than five tenths of a second.

When an army arrives and tells you to leave your bolt hole, either just go or beg to join them if they match your ideology.

I know this isn't what you want to hear.
To damned bad. This is the only course that can save your life and the life of your family.

I say this as a military man that will likely be part of an army if TSHTF. I don't have time to mess with you, and nobody else will either. You will not be granted an encounter risking personnel to small arms fire.

6 posted on 08/24/2012 7:03:01 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kartographer
This may sound silly and off topic, but people on well water should stock up on some extra toilet hardware. In particular water flappers. You don't want to use up precious energy or well water. Flappers are cheap, but tend to have a high failure rate with time.

Just something I've wanted to raise. I recommend Bull's Eye Harsh Water Flapper #501. $5.95 with free shipping on Amazon Prime.
7 posted on 08/24/2012 7:03:10 PM PDT by PA Engineer (What if the rabbit hole is endless?)
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To: Kartographer

At the risk of not discussing anything critical, my plans include a little of both. So I research the pros and cons that support both contingencies.


8 posted on 08/24/2012 7:16:08 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: upchuck

Most home generators are capable of 220 volt output. The key is learning the starting amps of your pump and then obtaining the appropriately sized generator set.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 7:51:15 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: upchuck
"My well has a 220 volt motor. Short of buying a 220 volt generator, I’m not sure how to handle this. I plan to catch rain water and filter it through a Big Berky-like setup."

Hey, I agree--much better than getting a $300-$500 generator (size depending on current used by pump) from Harbor Fright, along with a post, an inlet and cable to fit the generator. I'm going to do it an even more boring way with a PV solar plant before long (cistern, no batteries).

"How about an automatic wristwatch? My goal is to pretend we’ve been hit by an EMP."

Perfect. Nothing more back-to-nature than telling time by eyeballing the sun. Besides, wind-ups require too much work.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 7:59:08 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: PA Engineer
"This may sound silly and off topic, but people on well water should stock up on some extra toilet hardware."

Not off topic at all, PA Engineer. Those toilet float valve packages don't last long, and keeping backups is a great idea--especially as fuel for distant shopping goes higher. An extra generator and pump would also be wise, at least for those of us with deep wells--an extra controller, pump and cistern float switch for those with PV solar slow pump systems. A hand pump is alright for shallow wells, too, but a really long haul (much pumping) for deep wells.

Most hardware is now imported with prices likely to go much higher in the near future. Some building materials will probably stay relatively low.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 8:24:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Kartographer; upchuck
In regards to the last generator prep ping, we finally finished our research and have chosen the Kohler 14KW RES model. Made in the good ol USA too!

Runs on propane and has the juice to power everything here at the "Gulch". We have three tanks with a total capacity of 2,000 gallons to keep the cabin warm and run power for quite a spell.

NOTE! These units are not cheap! Yet we found a package that includes the generator (all self contained weather/rust wise), the 100amp 16 space automatic transfer switch, a free interstate battery to kick start it and best of all... Free shipping and no tax!!! Put it all together (plus a maintenance package and warning labels) for $3700.00!!!

Freep mail me if any of you are interested in getting in on this (I get a finders fee if you do!)

12 posted on 08/24/2012 8:26:36 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: MrEdd
I say this as a military man that will likely be part of an army if TSHTF. I don't have time to mess with you, and nobody else will either. You will not be granted an encounter risking personnel to small arms fire.

You do realized, don't you, that you're describing a band of looters and not an army?

13 posted on 08/24/2012 9:14:34 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke

I am describing foraging, which every unsupplied army throughout all of time has done. Including ours during the revolutionary war, and both sides during the Civil war in the 1860s.

You may be reimbursed after the conflict, but saying no means they have to force whatever supplies they need out of you.

When you get at least a rudimentary understanding of war, and the history of war, you can try again.


14 posted on 08/24/2012 9:20:13 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: familyop; PA Engineer

Along the plumbing line, I have been telling people for years, that next time a plumber is at their house, have him replace the water heater drain cock, with a pipe nipple and a full port ball valve.

Plumbers know that when it is time to drain a water heater, that the drain cocks break off, or are already plugged up with scale, or will plug up quickly from scale before they drain, that means the water is either inaccessible to the homeowner, or is wasted on the ground.

A full port ball valve allows for a screw driver to be poked in to loosen up a stoppage, and once you have the nipple and ball valve, they can always be transferred from the old to the new water heater in about 5 minutes, also, in an emergency, it is a handy gadget to tap into other water heaters where the owner couldn’t drain his, because of the above mentioned problems.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 9:28:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Kartographer

resource


16 posted on 08/24/2012 9:43:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: Kartographer
Rub out freepmailing for the information... Turns out the finders fee is for another of their products (generac) which I don't recommend. So I'll give all the name of the outfit which is:

http://www.apelectric.com/

As you will see they cover most all generation equipment and I'm sure you will find what you are looking for. The Kohler's use natural gas and/or lpg. This is a very smart investment having a standby generator for shtf as well as power outages during the inclement months!

17 posted on 08/24/2012 10:21:28 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: MrEdd

Many should read up about Washington and Valley Forge. Troops need more food than regular citizens realize. And an opposing force may have its food supply attacked (most likely) and any resistance militia group won’t have enough for a protracted campaign, especially during the winter months.

Of course Obama signed a law saying almost any Federal agency can knock on your door or even just kick it down and take what they need.

So its paramount to NOT keep all your cache in one location, have an A cache, B cache, C cache. probably would not hurt to set up a fake one with expired dates and of little nutritional value out in the open just for them to take.


18 posted on 08/24/2012 10:32:14 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: familyop
Those toilet float valve packages don't last long, and keeping backups is a great idea--especially as fuel for distant shopping goes higher. An extra generator and pump would also be wise, at least for those of us with deep wells--an extra controller, pump and cistern float switch for those with PV solar slow pump systems.

Great ideas. We've been stocking up on redundant systems as you mentioned, but also have bought things you know are going to bite the big one down the line. Items like the hot water tank, and a new in box furnace we have set aside for when our's gives out.

It's high dollar prepping for sure, but one never knows if we are in for hyperinflation/deflation or whatever fate brings our way, we want to be prepared in any event.

19 posted on 08/24/2012 10:40:14 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: familyop

Decades ago when we use to go camping, a camping toilet is a seat sitting on cross legs and blue bags that fit under the seat...Only really need toilet for solid material not urine...we use to laugh at the tiny corners of blue bags poking out of the ground....always bury the bag.....


20 posted on 08/24/2012 11:12:55 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: JDoutrider
Runs on propane ... We have three tanks ...

Just a note to people not used to anything larger than a 20 pound tank on the BBQ: if you lease/rent these large tanks you are generally tied in to one company for refills. If you own the tank you can negotiate with multiple suppliers and buy at your convenience.

[Speaking of 20 pound tanks, the ones that come out of the giant vending machine at convenience stores and supermarkets only have 15 pounds of propane. They are, however, a good resource to recycle your old, rusted or expired beat up tanks.]

21 posted on 08/24/2012 11:57:07 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: Kartographer

On Drudge today is a headline about Iran’s space port becoming operational next spring. They say they will be launching satellites for themselves and the Arab world.

Read: Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP). A detonation 250 miles above Chicago and the entire USA grid goes down. Dr. Graham, Chair of the 2008 EMP Commission report to Congress estimates a 90% die off. Yes, read that again 90% of our population will die. The Arab world salivates at the thought of it.

Under those brutal conditions staying out of sight for as much as a year might be the only solution for most. You will need food, unlimited water, a means of handling waste and cooking fuel. If starving bands of thieves do not know you are there, you will never have to fight them.

How: Undetectable basement below a fireproof house. An earthbag “cave” built into a side hill, covered with dirt and planted with grass with a secret entrance is another way to go.

If you “Bug Out” from the city with your gear with or without a car and no long term place to go, you will die. You will be a refugee. All refugee’s in these conditions with no help coming from anywhere, will die. Even if you can’t afford it, get a place where you can hide within 50 miles of your city. Do it with a group if you have to. Get guns of course in case your are found but staying out of sight is the way to go.

Hunting with a gun takes time and makes noise but even deer can be taken with a snare. Stock up now on all sizes.

After that year and you start again it will not be unlike those on the Mayflower starting a life. Get a shortwave to communicate AFTER the die off.

Good luck.


22 posted on 08/25/2012 5:16:18 AM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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To: Any Fate But Submission

I search for sales of fishing line like Spiderwire and Spectra. 100 pound breaking strength but very thin, you can braid your own snare rope with this stuff and almost nothing short of a scalpel will cut it, also fishing stainless leader wire makes an ideal snare material.

Now some people buy tents but an ice fishing hut is a bit stronger and is mostly square, has a heavier material and is designed for winter use.

And that is what a person really needs to prepare for, how to survive a winter in the bush. Most important is fuel for heat and cooking, a cave would be nice but a person can build their own igloo out of foam panels, all you need is something like a drywall saw and some cans of expanding foam as an adhesive.

Now in my neck of the woods in Alaska I actually have a cache of Styrofoam blocks (quadlocks) that are put together like Legos and then you pump cement grout in them, but these are an obsolete design and I have them at work, I have enough to construck at least an 8x8 room, for a roof some 12 foot 2x6 studs and 2” 4x8 panels will hold up a moderate snow load, and snow can be your friend as it shield you from wind and eyes in the sky.

Even just having a stack of Styrofoam panels you can make a decent lean to, camo painted is even better.


23 posted on 08/25/2012 5:29:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: MrEdd
If you are not part of an army, then an army is likely to kill you and take your stuff (as you lack the air support, artillery support, and likely the MOPP gear that are required to hold out against an army more than five tenths of a second.

The defense against this likelihood is for preppers to choose their location wisely. In the many times I deployed, there were always places we (the Army) didn't bother going, as they had no strategic, tactical or intelligence value. If a prepper's location is an hour travel time from any apparent resources, the prepper at least has a chance of never encountering a superior force - and if aerial surveillance reveals nothing interesting, such a force would have no reason to send anyone there. Of course, the conundrum is that a prepper should avoid those resources they need most, i.e. a body of fresh water, fields of corn or a town.

24 posted on 08/25/2012 7:03:07 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Kartographer; All

I have had to use my preps after hurricanes took out power, so I don’t need to practice, however, I’ll be aware of what is happening if Hussein loses the election that week.

Never in my long life have I had to worry about major civil unrest after a presidential election.


25 posted on 08/25/2012 9:28:12 AM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: MrEdd

Sorry but thats not the army thats just a bunch of marauders. In our neck of the woods they will be taken out by the locals and the 440th Bonnie Blue GA militia. You will not get an even break from any of them. You and your “military” buddies will last about 48 hours.


26 posted on 08/25/2012 10:00:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: yarddog
I once ran into an incredible deal on MREs at a gun show. Some guy had a pickup truck full of them he had obtained after Hurricane Andrew.

Read the first sentence and wondered what hurricane they were from. Apparently they get traded at about 10 cents on the dollar after the desperate refugees get ahold of them.

27 posted on 08/25/2012 12:37:02 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog

It was actually a trade, not a cash transaction. For some reason I can’t recall what I traded but do remember it was something I thought was worth about $40.

I stacked them up and originally had planned on saving them for emergencies but ended up eating them. I still run across matches and plastic eating utensils. Also I never used the heaters and run across some of them some times.

I do remember I thought they were pretty tasty except for one or two which I didn’t like at all.


28 posted on 08/25/2012 12:57:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: familyop; upchuck
... search "windmill water pump" and your search can be brief and fruitful! Power is free and plentiful...


29 posted on 08/25/2012 1:03:20 PM PDT by WVKayaker (I’m more than happy to accept the dubious honor of being Obama’s “enemy of the week" -Sarah Palin)
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To: The Duke
You do realized, don't you, you're describing a band of looters and not an army?

If it were a shtf case or Obama Deux then it's likely one and the same.

As per the article:

It should be 350+ miles from major cities. And, It should be located 50+ miles from major interstate freeways and other channelized areas.

Has the guy bothered to even look at a map? There isn't such a place except between CA and TX and up to WY. If 10% took his advice and bought retreats out there, it'd soon be as crowded as the rest of the country and most would die of dehydration because there's little access to water. Then there's the question of being able to get there. If you can somehow manage to get past the zombies along the route, have the gas, food, water, ammo and the days/weeks/months it might take to get to your retreat, then so can the bands of looters and marauders. Don't kid yourselves that the established neighbors wouldn't already have helped themselves to your supplies long before you got there. Those precious heirloom seeds packs that feed a small village aren't going to magically turn into baked potatoes, garden fresh salads and corn souffles the minute you open the packet. Short of a localized Armageddon in your vicinity, odds are if you're not already living in your "retreat" then you're up a creek.

30 posted on 08/25/2012 1:04:51 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill
It should be 350+ miles from major cities. And, It should be located 50+ miles from major interstate freeways and other channelized areas.

I agree with you. I'm in South Carolina. There's no where in the entire state like that. Kansas, Utah, Montana, maybe. But not around here.

31 posted on 08/25/2012 4:52:01 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: upchuck
We've had endless discussions at my house about bug-out property. We even looked at various properties in Colorado and Texas - something not too close, not too far.

What good is the property if you can't get to it? And, when TSHTF are there really property lines - or just property? If we were to stock a bug out property, there is no guarantee that we'd be able to use it.

which leads me to something I have not seen discussed. How about a fully stocked motor home? Of course, there are things you can't stock in it because temperatures can not be maintained at all times, but the basics can be stored.

If kept fully gassed and watered, survival gear and dry goods in place, wouldn't that get you out of the city if need be?

What do ya’lll think?

32 posted on 08/25/2012 5:18:16 PM PDT by KittenClaws
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To: Kartographer
"When looking to set up a retreat site you want to try and be at least one full tank of gas plus a minimum of another fifty miles away from any major city/suburb center."

Don't think about fuel availability or securing pretties safely in cities during disasters. Make that one-way trip. ;-)


33 posted on 08/25/2012 6:49:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: KittenClaws
If kept fully gassed and watered, survival gear and dry goods in place, wouldn't that get you out of the city if need be?

If the exodus was not a mad scramble with everyone wanting out at the same time and the roads to your retreat are all properly maintained paved and no detours then yes, it'd work. But look at every hurricane evacuation where there are stalled cars along the roads and traffic is at a standstill. Can't think of the name of TEOTWAWKI movie but the parents send the teen girl and the baby off with boyfriend and his motorcycle because there's now way to move on the highway. If cars can't move, then an RV is totally out of the question. An RV towing a jeep that got out before the masses would be better. It's all in the timing.

34 posted on 08/26/2012 7:14:41 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill
Can't think of the name of TEOTWAWKI movie but the parents send the teen girl and the baby off with boyfriend and his motorcycle because there's now way to move on the highway.

2012

35 posted on 08/26/2012 7:38:56 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo

Ah, there ya go.


36 posted on 08/26/2012 7:58:43 AM PDT by bgill
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To: upchuck

Same situation with the well. How deep is yours? Mines at 150 and I’m trying to decide on the real feasibility of those manual back up pumps I’ve seen advertised.


37 posted on 08/26/2012 10:37:21 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Choootem Lizabith Chooootem)
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To: The FIGHTIN Illini
Check out this outfit. I am fixing to go ahead with their set up. Can pump manually, or hook up 12 v electirc motor, which bradens the possibilities for power source.

http://www.simplepump.com/Contact/Thanks.html

38 posted on 08/26/2012 10:45:04 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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