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U.S. Military Rifles since 1776 (Video 34:37)
YouTube.com ^ | 6-17-2012 | hickok45

Posted on 08/31/2012 8:35:53 PM PDT by servo1969

Please read before commenting: A very basic overview of some of the main U.S. military rifles since the 18th century. We mainly look at the evolution of the technology in primary issue rifles or rifles similar to them that I happen to own.

Since I chat unscripted without a leash for 35 minutes, you can imagine that I have a little clean-up to do. :-) I'll add needed correction here in the description below. I won't add much elaboration, as this is not meant to be a video about the entire history or everything about these specific firearms; it's more of a basics video, as I state at the beginning, to give folks something of a picture of the major stepping stones in military musket / rifle development through the last 200 + years.

Some clarification or further BASIC information:

1. The Brown Bess is a smooth bore musket, like most shotgun barrels. I mistakenly call it a rifle in the video. I don't think I mention it, but the 1858 Enfield used in the Civil War has a rifled barrel, as do all the firearms on the table after the Brown Bess.

2. The tubular magazines of lever guns are not safe with pointed bullets. Think about it. :-) The 1895 Winchester lever gun solved this by not using the tubular magazine, but with most lever guns, we were limited to flatter-nosed bullets. The bolt gun, with rounds stacked on top of one another, allowed as sharp a point on the bullet as we wanted.

3, For some reason (Brain fade), I failed to show you how the Garand loads. Guess most of you have seen it in the movies, at least, and hopefully, in our Garand videos. :-)

4. I believe Eugene Stoner was developing the AR-10 even before the '60s, but the AR15/M16 did not get into soldiers hands until the '60s, I believe.

We have videos on all these guns except for the '03 Springfield, but we will take care of that before too long. Search from the home page for any of these firearms, and you'll find at least one video, I believe.


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Excellent video. A lot of history on that table.
1 posted on 08/31/2012 8:35:58 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

2. The tubular magazines are not safe with pointed bullets.
Hornady Leverevolution solved that problem:)


2 posted on 08/31/2012 8:42:08 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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I thought the “Brown Bess” was a British weapon...Didn’t the Colonial Army use Kentucky and Pennsylvania rifled barreled weapons?


3 posted on 08/31/2012 8:47:18 PM PDT by JW1949
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To: servo1969

I have many, but not so far back. Oldest I have is a 50/70 Sharps Carbine. Then 30/40 Krag, Model 1917 30-06, 1903 A3 30-06, M1 Garand.


4 posted on 08/31/2012 8:49:16 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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To: servo1969

Cool!


5 posted on 08/31/2012 8:50:19 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: JW1949

Most of the Colonials used smoothbore weapons. Much like the versitle modern day shotgun, they could fire either shot or a round ball.


6 posted on 08/31/2012 8:52:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: JW1949

Most of the time the Colonial Army used Brown Bess and French Charleville muskets. Rifles were used by some but they were mostly militia.


7 posted on 08/31/2012 8:52:39 PM PDT by JMS
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To: JMS

OK...Thanks...


8 posted on 08/31/2012 8:58:59 PM PDT by JW1949
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To: Inyo-Mono

And thanks to you also....


9 posted on 08/31/2012 9:00:15 PM PDT by JW1949
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To: JW1949

During the time of the flintlock, a musket was superior to a rifle in set piece battles due to the musket being quicker to reload. Because of the rifling, a Kentucky rifle was slow to reload. After one shot, the riflemen would probably be bayoneted before loading the second. The rifle would be used in a sniper type role. It was strictly long range only. The advent of the minie ball allowed the rifle to become the standard in the early 19th Century.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 9:12:27 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

Makes a lot of sense...Thanks....


11 posted on 08/31/2012 9:15:52 PM PDT by JW1949
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To: JMS

Morgan`s Virginia sharpshooters picked off the British officers with their rifles at Saratoga 1777. In 1758 it appears that Mohawk sharpshooters under Sir William Johnson may have been firing at the French in Fort Carillon with rifled muskets from the side of Mt. Defiance.


12 posted on 08/31/2012 9:16:50 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Attack!- where?? who knew?)
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To: JW1949

Brown Bess was used by both sides in revolutionary war. Some small units used the slower loading muzzle loading rifle, for example, Morgan’s Rifles. One British unit used a breechloading rifle of the Regimental Commander’s design, but Major Patrick Ferguson, but the rifle stretched practical manufacturing capability of the day.


13 posted on 08/31/2012 9:17:40 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: servo1969

***2. The tubular magazines of lever guns are not safe with pointed bullets. Think about it. :-) ***

I believe Remington developed a tubular rifle with a spiral indentation around the magazine which offset the bullet tip from the primer on the cartridge in front of it. I also believe some foreign nation used the tube magazine in a military rifle with the same spiral grove set up.

Can’t remember the names of them.


14 posted on 08/31/2012 9:19:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The Henry Rifle avoided the problem of a tube magazine with pointed bullets by using rimfire priming, and a round nose.

I believe that the Russian Army bought a tube magazine fed bolt action, designed by Hiram Berdan, after the Civil war.

The pointed "spitzer" bullet developed by Mauser in 7.92 sold to the Spanish for of the 1898 War changed everything for the American military. The .30-06 Springfield was a Mauser in all but name.

15 posted on 08/31/2012 9:52:26 PM PDT by jonascord (Any Democrat = Classic examples of the Downing Effect.)
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16 posted on 09/01/2012 2:49:42 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
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17 posted on 09/01/2012 2:54:41 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I believe your thinking of the French Lebel rifle.
18 posted on 09/01/2012 5:31:38 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: Dusty Road

Thats a real nice looking room.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 7:38:46 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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