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X marks the spot: Walter Elliot on his use of ancient art of divination
The Southern Reporter (Scotland, UK) ^ | 9-16-2012

Posted on 09/17/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by Renfield

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To: DesertRhino
Silliness, i can walk around half of the great plains with two sticks and say “dig here”. Guess what? They’ll hit the water table. This is about as scientific as using a pocketwatch pendulum over a pregnant woman to guess the sex, or reading tea leaves

Don't be so hasty. there is a perfectly logical explanation...

41 posted on 09/17/2012 12:50:40 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (My world view is accurately expressed in the lyrics of " The Fightin' Side of Me")
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To: randog
IOW I felt that I was dealing with something I really shouldn’t be dealing with. Tossed the rods (bent coat hangers) and never did it again.

Too late. You are a devil's minion now. (just kidding)
42 posted on 09/17/2012 12:51:30 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Theoria
I'm not sure if you are making a joke or being serious, but either way you have drifted over into blasphemy.

“When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead" (Deuteronomy 18:9-11).

Divining with rods is a form of divination. And, you can see what the Bible lumps that in with.

There is zero scientific evidence that there is any physical mechanism behind divining. So, if there isn't a physical mechanism, then what kind of mechanism makes divining work? The only possible type left is a supernatural mechanism.

In other words, "if" divining works (and I put if in quotes, because I personally believe most people involved in this are simply frauds), then the only reason it works is because there is a supernatural cause--a spirit--moving the rods. But, since the Bible forbids this, we know the spirit moving this isn't God or a holy angel. That leaves only one option: a fallen angel (a demon, the devil, whatever you want to call it).

This is why the Bible condemns divination, because when you get involved in it you are either (1) committing fraud, or (2) teaming up with a demonic spirit (perhaps unknowingly, but still teaming up).

43 posted on 09/17/2012 12:52:16 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: Renfield

(NOTE: It also works as a Gaydar.)

44 posted on 09/17/2012 12:52:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: ZX12R

LOL!! That might be true had I not turned to Christ and taken the plunge 3+ years ago...8)


45 posted on 09/17/2012 12:54:10 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: randog
I felt that I was dealing with something I really shouldn’t be dealing with...

The pastor that I heard the story from was adamant that when encountering something uncanny it is unsafe to assume that it is wholesome. Hence his "testing of the spirits." Having witnessed several forms of witching, I will verify that it can be uncanny. Whether or not it is never wholesome I cannot say, but you won't catch me doing it.

46 posted on 09/17/2012 1:01:44 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: steve86

The Biblical passage quoted about Moses no more supports dowsing than the passage saying “David loved Jonathan” supports homosexuality. Both are taken out of context for someone’s worldly purpose and are gross distortions of scripture.


47 posted on 09/17/2012 1:01:57 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: Renfield

48 posted on 09/17/2012 1:03:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Talisker

Yes, well put.


49 posted on 09/17/2012 1:03:57 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: matt1234

Superstition like that amazes me, and not in the way you wish. Maybe instead, you could explain to me why that method is not in widespread use by most power companies and underground locators?


50 posted on 09/17/2012 1:05:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ZX12R

“Too late. You are a devil’s minion now.”

ROFLMAO


51 posted on 09/17/2012 1:08:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Renfield

My husband does it. He uses a Y shaped branch for water and metal rods for metal. I thought it was a bunch of “bleep” so one day I covered my living room floor with newspapers and hid 3 quarters and told him to find them and he did!!!


52 posted on 09/17/2012 1:10:06 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Revolting cat!
WOO HOO!
53 posted on 09/17/2012 1:10:24 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Brookhaven
Are you the final arbiter of the meanings of Scripture? If so, I'm definitely glad to know where to find you.
54 posted on 09/17/2012 1:18:11 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Brookhaven

IMO you are comparing apples to oranges. The scripture you quoted about “one who uses divination” is specifically talking about a fortune-teller. My God-fearing Christian grandmother would use a willow branch to find artisian wells for family and friends. It was a priceless gift to the poor folks in the country back in the hard times. She and Pawpaw picked cotton for a living.


55 posted on 09/17/2012 1:20:27 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield

Never seen it, don’t know, but I kinda hope it’s real.


56 posted on 09/17/2012 1:24:21 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: DesertRhino
Superstition like that amazes me, and not in the way you wish.

Superstition? I've tried it. You apparently have not. Who is basing their claim more on actual, repeatable observations: you or me?

Maybe instead, you could explain to me why that method is not in widespread use by most power companies and underground locators?

Maybe because modern equipment is more accurate and reliable? (I already told you that an underground locator showed me the technique.)

I suggest you try it. I'm talking about the metal rods. I was dubious, too, until I tried it, and found that it worked reliably.

57 posted on 09/17/2012 1:29:37 PM PDT by matt1234 (As Obama sowed in the Arab Spring, so he is reaping in the Arab Fall.)
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To: Renfield

Every house I’ve ever built, the well sites were witched, both of them, main site and “repair” site in the event of a failed well. They didn’t ask me, they just did it. It’s the norm here.

Same with my parent’s houses, one of which is on a high plateau below a cliff at the base of a mountain. The well had to be punched through bedrock. All wells there are punched and very deep out of necessity. Good water, expensive well.

Does it “work?” I don’t know but have never had a well fail.


58 posted on 09/17/2012 1:33:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: DesertRhino
Maybe instead, you could explain to me why that method is not in widespread use by most power companies and underground locators?

It is used in the field a whole lot more often than most people know. I was a line locator for a major oil and gas company for ten years. My tool was this:

On the rare occasion that I would get stumped, invariably an old pipeliner would go get his rods out of the truck, walk up and say, "Your pipeline is right here." What I never saw in those ten years was for the pipeliner to miss.

59 posted on 09/17/2012 1:38:59 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 21twelve; DesertRhino; Renfield

I am a Mechanical Engineer. Graduated with Honors. I have no superstitions.

I have held two slender metal bent rods and walked across a yard, and the hair on the back of my neck stood up when they twisted in my hands. I was on top of a gas line. “Witch Sticks”, they called them.

Say what you want, I’ve experienced it.


60 posted on 09/17/2012 2:04:19 PM PDT by HeadOn (With my last breath, I will pull the lever against the liberals. NEVER GIVE UP.)
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