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The Heart Has Its Own “Brain” and Consciousness
Waking Times ^

Posted on 09/26/2012 2:28:47 PM PDT by djf

Many believe that conscious awareness originates in the brain alone. Recent scientific research suggests that consciousness actually emerges from the brain and body acting together. A growing body of evidence suggests that the heart plays a particularly significant role in this process.

Far more than a simple pump, as was once believed, the heart is now recognized by scientists as a highly complex system with its own functional “brain.”

Research in the new discipline of neurocardiology shows that the heart is a sensory organ and a sophisticated center for receiving and processing information. The nervous system within the heart (or “heart brain”) enables it to learn, remember, and make functional decisions independent of the brain’s cerebral cortex. Moreover, numerous experiments have demonstrated that the signals the heart continuously sends to the brain influence the function of higher brain centers involved in perception, cognition, and emotional processing.

In addition to the extensive neural communication network linking the heart with the brain and body, the heart also communicates information to the brain and throughout the body via electromagnetic field interactions. The heart generates the body’s most powerful and most extensive rhythmic electromagnetic field. Compared to the electromagnetic field produced by the brain, the electrical component of the heart’s field is about 60 times greater in amplitude, and permeates every cell in the body. The magnetic component is approximately 5000 times stronger than the brain’s magnetic field and can be detected several feet away from the body with sensitive magnetometers.

The heart generates a continuous series of electromagnetic pulses in which the time interval between each beat varies in a dynamic and complex manner. The heart’s ever-present rhythmic field has a powerful influence on processes throughout the body. We have demonstrated, for example, that brain rhythms naturally synchronize to the heart’s rhythmic activity, and also that during sustained feelings of love or appreciation, the blood pressure and respiratory rhythms, among other oscillatory systems, entrain to the heart’s rhythm.

We propose that the heart’s field acts as a carrier wave for information that provides a global synchronizing signal for the entire body. Specifically, we suggest that as pulsing waves of energy radiate out from the heart, they interact with organs and other structures. The waves encode or record the features and dynamic activity of these structures in patterns of energy waveforms that are distributed throughout the body. In this way, the encoded information acts to in-form (literally, give shape to) the activity of all bodily functions—to coordinate and synchronize processes in the body as a whole. This perspective requires an energetic concept of information, in which patterns of organization are enfolded into waves of energy of system activity distributed throughout the system as a whole.

Basic research at the Institute of HeartMath shows that information pertaining to a person’s emotional state is also communicated throughout the body via the heart’s electromagnetic field. The rhythmic beating patterns of the heart change significantly as we experience different emotions. Negative emotions, such as anger or frustration, are associated with an erratic, disordered, incoherent pattern in the heart’s rhythms. In contrast, positive emotions, such as love or appreciation, are associated with a smooth, ordered, coherent pattern in the heart’s rhythmic activity. In turn, these changes in the heart’s beating patterns create corresponding changes in the structure of the electromagnetic field radiated by the heart, measurable by a technique called spectral analysis.

More specifically, we have demonstrated that sustained positive emotions appear to give rise to a distinct mode of functioning, which we call psychophysiological coherence. During this mode, heart rhythms exhibit a sine wave-like pattern and the heart’s electromagnetic field becomes correspondingly more organized.

At the physiological level, this mode is characterized by increased efficiency and harmony in the activity and interactions of the body’s systems. [1]

Psychologically, this mode is linked with a notable reduction in internal mental dialogue, reduced perceptions of stress, increased emotional balance, and enhanced mental clarity, intuitive discernment, and cognitive performance.

In sum, our research suggests that psychophysiological coherence is important in enhancing consciousness—both for the body’s sensory awareness of the information required to execute and coordinate physiological function, and also to optimize emotional stability, mental function, and intentional action. Furthermore, as we see next, there is experimental evidence that psychophysiological coherence may increase our awareness of and sensitivity to others around us. The Institute of HeartMath has created practical technologies and tools that all people can use to increase coherence. Heart Field Interactions Between Individuals

Most people think of social communication solely in terms of overt signals expressed through language, voice qualities, gestures, facial expressions, and body movements. However, there is now evidence that a subtle yet influential electromagnetic or “energetic” communication system operates just below our conscious awareness. Energetic interactions likely contribute to the “magnetic” attractions or repulsions that occur between individuals, and also affect social exchanges and relationships. Moreover, it appears that the heart’s field plays an important role in communicating physiological, psychological, and social information between individuals.

Experiments conducted at the Institute of HeartMath have found remarkable evidence that the heart’s electromagnetic field can transmit information between people. We have been able to measure an exchange of heart energy between individuals up to 5 feet apart. We have also found that one person’s brain waves can actually synchronize to another person’s heart. Furthermore, when an individual is generating a coherent heart rhythm, synchronization between that person’s brain waves and another person’s heartbeat is more likely to occur. These findings have intriguing implications, suggesting that individuals in a psychophysiologically coherent state become more aware of the information encoded in the heart fields of those around them.

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Amazing if true...
1 posted on 09/26/2012 2:28:49 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf

bttt


2 posted on 09/26/2012 2:30:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: djf

and this we have always known from the word of God for thousands of years. The more science learns the less it knows


3 posted on 09/26/2012 2:33:25 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: djf

What about conjoined people with two heads, two personalities, same body?


4 posted on 09/26/2012 2:35:21 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: djf
It was all intuited by the Ancients as in "body, soul, spirit, heart, and mind" ~ and I understand Orthodox Jews believe they have identified 6 other distinct states of relevance.

That koinkidinkily gives you 11 different dimensions to life ~ which is consistent with at least one version of String theory.

So, what's new?

5 posted on 09/26/2012 2:37:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: djf

I have been seeking psychophysiological coherence all my life.


6 posted on 09/26/2012 2:38:10 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: djf

I didn’t read the article. But a FR article from a year ago(?) was how the stomach has “brain cells” in it. Part of the reason why one can have an upset stomach when thinking about something or nervous. Plus that whole “gut reaction” thing.


7 posted on 09/26/2012 2:39:54 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: djf
I recall a venerable psychoanalyst who long ago asserted that "there is a psychic heart that causes the physical heart to beat." I wonder how he knew that.
8 posted on 09/26/2012 2:42:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pride in the USA

Ping!


9 posted on 09/26/2012 2:45:24 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: djf

Very, very interesting! Thanks for posting it.
As a musician, my sense of timing is very important to me. I find that, within just a few measures, my heartbeat synchs up with the beat, and stays remarkably steady. I drive drummers who rush,, crazy! As soon as my heart synchs up, I feel a sense of calm, and confidence. Get into great discussions with people who insist that tapping one’s foot is important! Don’t know if this ties in with this research, but it certainly is interesting!


10 posted on 09/26/2012 2:49:37 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: djf

what a load of pseudo-scientific crap, right on the same level as global warming...

Of course there are magnetic fields anytime there is a flow of electrons. We have known this since Michael Faraday told the world about it in 1831. If it makes someone feel better to beleive nonsense like this from some blogger, fine, and you might also enjoy “Five Steps Toward Decolonizing Gaia and Rewilding Mankind” from this Waking Times home page...

Hell, far too many actual brains could use some “brains”...


11 posted on 09/26/2012 2:52:13 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Nifster

I’m a Bible-pounding (but cultured...) Calvinist.

But recently I have been reading some eastern medicine stuff.

If you can get beyond some of the terminology that the New Age/pagan movement has co-opted here in the west, it actually makes sense and doesn’t really contradict Scripture in many instances.

Most profoundly, I think the whole idea that your thoughts have a profound influence on your physical well being seems to me to be very strong.

In any event...all very interesting.

(And I expect to have a weak heart and stomach for the next six weeks as this general election unfolds).


12 posted on 09/26/2012 2:54:58 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: djf

I feel in my heart that this isn’t true.

Wait...


13 posted on 09/26/2012 2:56:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ConservativeDude

well said...and with you on that weak heart and stomach

made up for it by having breakfast at Chick Fil A today. Made a good start to the day


14 posted on 09/26/2012 3:00:49 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: bigbob

It’s long been known there are various feedback and learning systems in the body. The question here seems to be how sophisticated those systems can be.

For instance, after you learn to tie your shoelaces, your brain doesn’t get involved so much. Your central nervous system and hands themselves “know” how to tie your laces.

An honest skeptic is one thing. Someone who just flat denies something without contrasting/comparing it to what we already know is another.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 3:02:55 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf

The Buddhist view is that the heart center is the seat of mind. The brain is just considered a controller of the body. The senses, speech, hearing, sight, touch, taste and so on, are all said to be “consciousnesses” but ultimately there is only one consciousness in a sentient being.


16 posted on 09/26/2012 3:05:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: djf
Sort of interesting I have been reading the Philokia recently on the Orthodox Christianity and their idea that the soul, or the nous, is seated in the heart. The repeated saying of the Jesus prayer with attention focused on the heart, if repeated with feeling often enough ( and I'm talking thousands of times a day), the Orthodox claim, will result in the heart saying the prayer of it's own accord leading to the actual practice of "pray without ceasing" of the Bible.
17 posted on 09/26/2012 3:05:52 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: ConservativeMan55

My consciousness starts in my big toe on my right foot. I didn’t know this until one day when I dropped a very heavy brake drum on my toe.


18 posted on 09/26/2012 3:19:36 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!r)
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To: djf; All

I’ll show you proof.

Goto your toolbox and get out an ordinary wire tester... you touch it to an insulated wire, it tells you if current is flowing through that wire by measuring the electromagnetic field, right?

Take the terminals in your hands, and you can use your mind to make that needle go up, or down.

If it was purely electrical impulses that produced electromagnetic radiation as a byproduct, you would have increased nervous stimuli and arm movement in order to produce an increased field... not just moving it by thinking it.

If you could manipulate your electromagnetic field, then it’s not just a byproduct of your nerve’s electricity... it’s an invisible part of your body that fluctuates at will.

Once you wrap your mind around that, wrap your mind around this: when scientists measure the electromagnetic field of different people in different countries speaking different languages, they ask each person to say words like love, family, hate, mother, father. Though the languages were different the EMF patterns for each individual word were identical across the board. Whether we know how to receive it very well, there is an invisible language.

Add one more interesting fact: scientists discovered that animals that migrate, especially birds, have a unique small deposit of iron between the eyes that seems to help them navigate by reading the electromagnetic lines of the earth. When they wore devices that interfered with receiving this EMF signal, they were lost.

They have not yet studied humans to determine for certain if they possess this unique iron deposit, but the place where it exists in other animals’ bodies corresponds precisely to that area in humans that the people in India call the third eye, that they have always claimed is a spiritual center and has some psychic sensitivities.

And that’s all I’m going to say, and I’m stepping away from the subject.

Except one more thing, and this is for Christians:

What was the one language that all people shared at the building of the Tower of Babel, that they “forgot” when God caused them to have multiple languages?

Now I’m done.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 3:21:20 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Tigers don't eat horns.)
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To: djf
My wife's curves sure get my heart in rhythm with hers and when she wants to get synchronized the amplitude increases exponentially with heart beats in rhythm.
20 posted on 09/26/2012 3:23:37 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: djf

bump for later read...


21 posted on 09/26/2012 3:24:08 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: djf
Not sure about this one...

My body is, at least partially, controlled by a wireless EM network? Seems like it would get messed up near powerful radio transmitters or high voltage AC lines.

Call me skeptical so far.

22 posted on 09/26/2012 3:25:17 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: JaguarXKE

LOL If you want to achieve total consciousness try an anvil.


23 posted on 09/26/2012 3:27:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Rap noise (it is not music) throws my heart rhythm off.
24 posted on 09/26/2012 3:30:00 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Tuanedge

I’ll show you proof.

Goto your toolbox and get out an ordinary wire tester... you touch it to an insulated wire, it tells you if current is flowing through that wire by measuring the electromagnetic field, right?

Take the terminals in your hands, and you can use your mind to make that needle go up, or down.


Are you serious?


25 posted on 09/26/2012 3:30:11 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: djf
Psychologically, this mode is linked with a notable reduction in internal mental dialogue, reduced perceptions of stress, increased emotional balance, and enhanced mental clarity, intuitive discernment, and cognitive performance.

All common results of doing meditation, mantra and puja practice.

We have also found that one person’s brain waves can actually synchronize to another person’s heart. Furthermore, when an individual is generating a coherent heart rhythm, synchronization between that person’s brain waves and another person’s heartbeat is more likely to occur. These findings have intriguing implications, suggesting that individuals in a psychophysiologically coherent state become more aware of the information encoded in the heart fields of those around them.

Mind to mind transmission. aka guru yoga. Literally 'teacher union' which is a goal of practice to reach a point where the student 'sees' the teacher's mind. More commonly expressed as the student's mind becomes one with the teacher's mind. However mind to mind transmission from teacher to student takes place all the time even though the student isn't aware of it.

26 posted on 09/26/2012 3:37:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: djf

The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal


27 posted on 09/26/2012 3:40:31 PM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: freedomlover

I was in fifth grade when my uncle showed me the wire tester thing. He didn’t have any personal explanation, you just said think at it you can make it go up, make your mind a blank and it’ll go down.

The rest is searchable with scientific sources, not new agey places.

Everybody has a wire tester...borrow one.

Going to dinner before the flame throwers arrive...


28 posted on 09/26/2012 3:42:33 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Tigers don't eat horns.)
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To: djf

Bm


29 posted on 09/26/2012 3:44:02 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: djf

on this subject

I have read the following two peices of information, from forgotten sources over many years ago, and many years apart:

the heart muscle contains a number of cell types, one of which is found in only one other place in the body - the brain;

and

some people who have received full heart transplants have afterward noticed taste, color, and other sensory-type sensation preferences they did not previously have; preferences that on further investigation were found to be preferences of the heart donor; reflecting some sort of “memory” in the heart and transmission of it to the brain


30 posted on 09/26/2012 3:47:36 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: djf

bttt


31 posted on 09/26/2012 3:48:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: djf

WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WITH HEART TRANSPLANTS THEN??


32 posted on 09/26/2012 3:50:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Tuanedge

There are a large number of phenomena that are still unexplained.

One, for example, is the “I’m being watched” reaction. It’s been shown in a number of studies that people seem to have an unknown type of knowledge if someone is staring at them.

Another example is the deal when dogs know their owners are on the way home. The dog’s behavior is pretty standard, then, a little while before the owner gets back home, the dog starts going to the door, or pacing the driveway, something like that. I’ve seen this myself in multiple dogs.

So I am open to believing there are things we don’t understand yet.

And I find it quite fascinating!


33 posted on 09/26/2012 3:52:26 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: mamelukesabre

You get an uncontrollable urge for kimchee...

;-)


34 posted on 09/26/2012 3:56:25 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf

Not a unbelievable theory. I’d had a broken neck long ago with still some nerve impairment (though thankfully not severely debilitating). I can tell from what I’ve been through that each part of your body has it’s own logic (if not brain). You are sort of a distributed brain system.
Even without a full brain connection, your parts try to function on their own.


35 posted on 09/26/2012 4:07:19 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: DaxtonBrown

“Not a unbelievable theory. I’d had a broken neck long ago with still some nerve impairment (though thankfully not severely debilitating). I can tell from what I’ve been through that each part of your body has it’s own logic (if not brain). You are sort of a distributed brain system.
Even without a full brain connection, your parts try to function on their own.”

One unmentionable part of my body does seem to think for it’s self. It happened just today when I was helping this blond babe load some purchases in her car...


36 posted on 09/26/2012 4:36:09 PM PDT by babygene
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To: lonevoice

Amazing and so stunning in its implications for our mental and emotional well being as well as the health of our bodies in general. It should also serve as a warning to liberals, who are notoriously negative people, to do some serious self-help work.


37 posted on 09/26/2012 4:53:47 PM PDT by Pride in the USA (With Romney - Ryan you get change back.)
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To: djf

That thing about being able to sense when someone is staring at you is real. I’ve read the studies and I’ve done experiments myself. It is real. It’s not 100% accurate and some people can’t do it at all. but most people can do it with an accuracy somewhere between 55% and 75%, IIRC. I was very good at it...with accuracy at the extreme high end. The dog thing I dunno. I think the dog just has a very good internal clock and knows what time it is even better than humans do when they have a clock to look at. They also have hearing so good we are not able to comprehend it. They can listen to cars driving down a road 4 blocks away and distinguish between each and every one. They know when their master’s car is coming when it is that far away.

I do not know what it is about humans that makes their senses so pathetically dulled. I know they have the capacity to enhance their senses. Take blind people for instance. They develop their hearing, touch, and smell far beyond what a sighted person has. So much so in fact that they recognize sighted people as having DISABILITIES in the other senses.

I can tell you I understand these things because I had phenomenal perception when I was young...every sense I had was better than anyone I knew. I could hear dog whistles. I could hear the sound coming off of light bulbs when they were on. I could hear the sound coming off of the picture tube of a TV when it was running. I could smell things other people could not. I could hear when people were getting out of their car and coming to the front door before they rang the doorbell. I could hear when the gas valve on the furnace opened up and I could hear when the electronic ignition sparked to ignite the flame...and I could hear it from upstairs when I was sound asleep. It woke me up every night. several times each night. I could hear when someone left the TV on while plugged into the VCR and turned the VCR off. The Tube would go dark when there was no input. I could hear the sound of the picture tube in the energized state even though there was no picture sent to it. I could hear when the dog suddenly woke up with a start and stood up because he heard something. I heard this from sound asleep also and it woke me up.

My sinuses used to burn and my throat would burn if I got within 5 feet of a person wearing cologne or perfume. I hated perfume until I was in my thirties. The odor from perfume was overwhelming. Like a firetruck siren in your front yard making your head hurt.

I could read 3 rows below the 20/20 vision line on an eye chart.

Then I got old and my senses all dulled. Now I’m far sighted, can’t see in the dark, can’t smell a damn thing and am half deaf.

You know how a dog can sense when a storm is coming? I know how they do it. They hear it coming 40 miles away...or more. I know how they do it because I could hear the storm coming 10 minutes before any human in my house could hear it. The dog would hear it 30-40 minutes before them and 20-30 minutes before me.

and not all dogs could do these things. there were some dogs that were pathetic. I remember when I was very young being disgusted by the pathetic sensory abilities of some very small lap dogs. Good god some of them were so stupid and pathetic I could hear and smell better than they could. To this day I cannot stand to be around most dogs littler than 25 lbs.


38 posted on 09/26/2012 5:12:33 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: djf
When I was a kid the nuns told us about a boy who got his head cut off by a train and his body got up and ran home.

Don't know how true it was, but I trust Sr. Ann Marie.

39 posted on 09/26/2012 5:33:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I think the dog thing is true. I had a dog and a roommate and worked irregular hours. My roommate told me Spike always knew 5 minutes before I arrived - always.


40 posted on 09/26/2012 5:48:54 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

My neighbors had these two golden labs and I dog-sat for them.

The reason was, they were going camping for 6-7 days, and their dogs were normally on my porch anyways, what can I say, dogs luv me!

On the very last day, the day my neighbors were due home, the older one left my porch early in the morning. It was quite hot that day, and I was worried if he had any water, so I packed up a gallon of cold water, and hiked over to their house, about 1/4 mile away.

He was happy to see me, and very happy about the water, but refused to follow me back. He just kept pacing the driveway.

This was about one in the afternoon. Neighbors arrived home about ten PM that night.

That dog knew they were coming home. No other explanation makes sense. If it walks like a duck...


41 posted on 09/26/2012 6:47:48 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf

Of course, the soul is in the heart. Says in the Vedas.


42 posted on 09/26/2012 8:56:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Nifster

Yep, yep! We have been discounting the wisdom of the ages, trusting man’s “science”, but it turns out again that your semi-literate grandmother was right and “science” is forever trying to catch up with her.

I remember a “scientific study” demonstrating that indeed an apple a day keeps a doctor away!


43 posted on 09/26/2012 9:01:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!

that and chicken soup helps cure the common cold....Mother does know best


44 posted on 09/26/2012 9:05:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Tuanedge

Interesting comments. As for the wire tester - you’re talking about the inductive types with a clamp that goes around the insulated wire? I’m not sure how common those are. I’ve got about three of the regular multimeters with the + and (-) probes. One of them even has batteries that still work!

With regard to the iron - we have plenty of it in our blood. Some folks may have a better make up that gives them a better sense of direction. I’ve heard where folks that sleep with their head to the north do better with directions as well.

I was just telling my kids that there is still SO much to understand in this world. Makes it fun!


45 posted on 09/26/2012 9:10:58 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve; All
Magnetoception
46 posted on 09/26/2012 9:40:35 PM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

You didn’t read my comment.


47 posted on 09/27/2012 3:40:55 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

When I was a kid the nuns told us about a boy who got his head cut off by a train and his body got up and ran home.”

I don’t know if that is true or not, either. I do know, however, that the image is utterly unforgettable and that I will also have trouble sleeping for the next week or so. I will not tell my kids this story, however.....


48 posted on 09/27/2012 5:07:55 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: mamelukesabre; All

Sure I did you said ‘The dog thing I dunno.’ So there - neener neener!

On a side note I’ve always loved what God says in Romans 8:19-23 - tis why I fully expect to be reunited with all of my old pets someday in Heaven.

“19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.”

Re-read verse 22 - if all of creation is inwardly groaning for this blessed event then it must mean there’s hope in Heaven redemption awaiting them too imho.


49 posted on 09/27/2012 5:29:02 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: little jeremiah

I don’t think it can be in the heart [yet somehow must be separate but linked with the heart] simply b/c people who have heart transplants do not lose their souls nor get someone else’s soul - do they?


50 posted on 09/27/2012 5:33:12 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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