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Stop the roundabouts
Milwaukee Journal Sentinal ^ | October 21, 2012 | Mark A Sity

Posted on 10/22/2012 7:52:22 PM PDT by logic101.net

Stop the roundabouts

The vast majority of us hate roundabouts. Unfortunately, the state Department of Transportation loves them, as do their close friends, the road builders. Why the road builders love them is simple - they can charge us 10 times more to put them in.

Sadly, the DOT prefers to make its friends happy rather than the taxpayers. They now have taken to trying to hide their plans from us by referring to them as "broad, looping, free-flowing."

Often we will be told that they work so well in Europe. However, Europe's idea of a big truck is about the size of a U-haul van. Our big trucks have 53-foot trailers and need the entire roundabout to get around them, creating a dangerous situation.

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To: phormer phrog phlyer

Yep. The definition of insanity is to keep thinking one can improve on the American traditions. It’s not “economic development” to buck what’s worked for our fabulous nation. Instead it’s “arrested development” just like liberalism and commonism!!!


41 posted on 10/22/2012 11:13:37 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

What the hell does a traffic circle have to do with driving on the wrong side of the road, the metric system, foreign languages, the love of God, mores and taboos?

For cripes sake, it’s just a road.

If you spent as much energy learning to drive as you do ranting incoherently you would be able to use a roundabout without crapping yourself from fear.


42 posted on 10/22/2012 11:18:04 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym
Well, you'd never understand beings you're just a crosseyed, bowlegged amobea jockey that just takes all the good in America for granted not having lived in her long enough to value the way things are and how beautifully they came about!!!

Stop touting change just for the sake of change. These stupid roundabouts have absolutely no redeeming social value!!!

43 posted on 10/23/2012 12:11:16 AM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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To: dead

“I like them, but here in New Jersey nobody calls them roundabouts! That sounds way too Britishy.

We call them circles.”

Roundabouts and circles are not the same thing. The rights of way are opposite.


44 posted on 10/23/2012 12:33:28 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: logic101.net

Roundabouts beat the daylights out of four-way stops and some busy two-way stop intersections. And while the cost of the road may be higher, the cost of a traffic light is eliminated. A roundabout was built in my town at an intersection that was busy enough that the school buses couldn’t turn at rush hour, but that didn’t carry a load of traffic most of the day. Wrecks were frequent back when is was a standard two way stop intersection. I know of none since the roundabout opened. Works great.

Since interstates were developed in Germany, are they anti-American too? I don’t understand the blanket rejection. Some are good, some are great, some not-so-good.


45 posted on 10/23/2012 2:05:16 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: logic101.net

Big roundabouts are far the most sensible way to route converging traffic in European cities where roads into the city converge on central points. When properly designed they can be much quicker and smoother to navigate at a major intersection than a traffic light would be. Tulsa has one such. All the rest of the roundabouts I have seen in the USofA aree clumsy attempts to emulate Europe. It doesn’t help that in this country they remain oddities and drivers are unaccustomed to them. It only takes a small percentage of drivers that don’t deal with them well to render them dangerous and to slow progress unnecessarily.


46 posted on 10/23/2012 3:03:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: logic101.net
I hate them too! I've almost been nailed several times by cars that failed to yield to my right of way and I've seen it happen to others......

I even lightly rear-ended some lady who started into the roundabout with me following and then she suddenly stopped. When I asked her why she stopped she said she didn't know what the guy coming in on our left was going to do...(It was clear for us because the guy had stopped for traffic on his left)

47 posted on 10/23/2012 3:25:00 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: logic101.net

There are places where they work great, and places where they are insufficient.


48 posted on 10/23/2012 3:29:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: logic101.net

Just curious, do you work in brake-pad sales?


49 posted on 10/23/2012 3:49:04 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: logic101.net

A few of them have gone up around South Bend, IN. They seem to help traffic flow in those cases. My daughter inadvertently went around one the wrong way while she was learning. Boy, did that ever piss off a couple drivers! But, in her defense, the arrows painted on roadway ahead of the circle showed a left turn/straight configuration. Glad I wasn’t there for a white knuckle experience.

Large semi-trailers at standard intersections must also hog up the road to do their thing. In the interest of better traffic efficiency I think circles are worth consideration, though they bear scrutiny due to governments’ tendency to waste and reward with gross mismanagement of funds.


50 posted on 10/23/2012 4:28:49 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Candy Crowley: The MSMs' very own Agatha Trunchbull.)
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To: logic101.net
My favorite roundabout was in Saudi Arabia and had a sign stating “The One Coming From Left Of Center Is Priority.” We have a sign stating the same. Its called “Yield.”
51 posted on 10/23/2012 4:35:22 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Nik Naym
I know how to use roundabouts, try getting through one in a big truck; we can't go from 0 to 30 in a couple of seconds.

If they limited them to residential areas I wouldn't care but WI DOT wants them at every intersection. Plus, if they are so wonderful, why does DOT have to hide their plans by calling them “...broad, looping, free flowing...”?

52 posted on 10/23/2012 5:19:38 AM PDT by logic101.net (Support OUR troops, NOT their's!)
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To: Nik Naym
I don't like Roundabouts because you have to drive a bit more aggressively than I like to in order to enter one. I was in a really nasty accident (not my fault...) and, to put it mildly, I'm a bit of an old lady on the road. Surging into a roundabout (esp. when you are not very confident about the other drivers...) is a bit of challenge.

Some of them do make right turns easier, though.

53 posted on 10/23/2012 5:47:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Marcella
Until you have been on the roundabout in the middle of Paris, France, you haven’t lived (err, almost died).

Or Rome...

54 posted on 10/23/2012 6:05:31 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (" Undecided Voter: someone who parades their stupidity as proof of their morality." ~David Burge)
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To: SierraWasp

Well, either you’re closing your eyes
To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of a roundabout in your community.

We’ve surely got trouble!
Right here in River City!
Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!


55 posted on 10/23/2012 6:53:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: logic101.net

We had one for over a year.

Probably someone with political sway, who didn’t like to stop at stop signs got our nanny city council to put in one.

It was too small and well off urban speeders left skid marks or worse on the center of the round about.

Finally, they got rid of it. I think the total costs were over $100k.

Petaluma has one that seems to work unless there is a lot of traffic.

I hate them in the UK. We felt like Steve Martin in the movie where he got trapped in one and couldn’t get out.

Of course driving on the other side of the road made them even worse for us. My wife could never figure them out, and she is an excellent driver.


56 posted on 10/23/2012 7:11:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: SierraWasp

Amen brother. For years on this site and in person when the America apologizers/haters run America down, our $ and hold up Europe and the Euro as positives. I responded by calling Europe, and the Euro as Eurotrash.

“No, you remember. We live in The United States of America. We also don’t drive on the wrong side of the road. We don’t use the metric system. We use farenheit, not celcius. We speak english, not some foreign language. We love God and our exceptional country and we’re not apologetic, or embarrassed about it!!!

Furthermore we have our own culture and traditions, mores and taboos. As long as we are good upstanding citizens we shouldn’t be irritated by our government of, for and by we the people to endure anymore of this obsessive, compulsive nonsense!!!


57 posted on 10/23/2012 7:25:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: logic101.net

Great, now I’ve got that Yes song stuck in my head.


58 posted on 10/23/2012 7:28:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (World Series bound and picking up steam, GO GET 'EM,TIGERS!)
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To: Calm_Cool_and_Elected
Or Rome...

Or Seoul, Korea !

59 posted on 10/23/2012 12:57:26 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: AlaskaErik
Wait, there is congestion in Alaska! LOL. Try I-95 at rush hour in NoVa, that's CONGESTION.


60 posted on 10/23/2012 1:02:27 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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