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Posted on 11/02/2012 2:22:21 PM PDT by ottbmare

I still feel optimistic about a Romney victory. But if Obama wins next week, whether by cheating or by the stupidity of the electorate, things are going to get much worse in this country. It's quite possible that election rules will be changed and freedom of speech suppressed so much that the forces of conservatism could not win an election again, as Bill Whittle reminds us. So what are your plans in that case? Are you going Galt? How will you change your behavior and your life in the event of an Obama win?


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: freedom; galt; survival; totalitarianism
Personally, I'm praying like mad. But I'm aware that as the Lord reminded us, no leader can be in power unless He permits it. I'm considering my options and going forward as rapidly as possible with previous plans to move to the deep countryside where they'll be hard-put to find me.
1 posted on 11/02/2012 2:22:23 PM PDT by ottbmare
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To: ottbmare

I don’t feel as good about this election as I did a couple of weeks ago....


2 posted on 11/02/2012 2:25:59 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fHjvo6eRkI)
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To: ottbmare

If somehow zero did pull it off, you’d see the red states move rapidly forward with diminishing the FED dramatically and the fact we haven’t seen any such planning is a good thing.


3 posted on 11/02/2012 2:26:55 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

sometimes things really have to hit bottom. People need to get sick and tired..everyone, and finally wake up and find out that social programs of Big Gov´t will never bring a country´s standard of living UP, it only drags it down. The next 4 years are going to be VERY, very hard. It is a job I think needs to fall squarely on the shoulders of incapable people. Until we can start all over again with people who don´t make a god out of PC mindsets. We need people with scruples, tried traditional ideas and hard working citizens, not food stamp zombies.


4 posted on 11/02/2012 2:31:38 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: ottbmare

I’m pretty sure, regardless of the outcome of the election, our family will go on trying to lead Christian lives, whatever the political weather. I would crawl to the polls on Tuesday to vote as a pro-life Catholic, but I feel very much at peace at this point.


5 posted on 11/02/2012 2:32:54 PM PDT by Coyote Choir
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To: rovenstinez

If Obama wins, I think we’ll truly pass the point of no return, and the death spiral of this country will speed up.


6 posted on 11/02/2012 2:34:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ottbmare

I’ll double down on my Sturm Ruger (RGR) stock. NICS checks:
January - - 1,368,816
February - 1,734,646
March - - - 1,715,125
April - - - - 1,416,074
May - - - - 1,305,392
June - - - -1,290,210
July - - - - 1,289,585
August - - 1,514,696
September- 1,450,737
October - - 1,604,743


7 posted on 11/02/2012 2:35:33 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: ottbmare

I’ve had “If Obama wins...” thoughts too. And my only positive I can have on this is the (bleep)storm Nobama will face over his mishandling of Benghazi.

But then I think of how the media is as guilty as he is as they do not mention this. I think of the cowards (Repubs and Dems) who will ignore this, and I think - I believe - that Obama will literally get away with Murder.

This is THE biggest presidential scandal EVER. Bigger than Watergate. Bigger than the many many Clinton scandals. Even worse than Fast and Furious, which was previously the biggest scandal ever.

And what a shame it is that this is being ignored.


8 posted on 11/02/2012 2:35:58 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ottbmare

We have free will, therefore the Almighty does not interfere in our affairs. I would not count on any divine
intervention if things go south.

We’ve been lucky to have been spared a civil war such as in
Spain or Russia, but its certainly possible.

There was no divine intervention in either of those bloodlettings, so we are on our own.


9 posted on 11/02/2012 2:37:11 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (working at the car wash..)
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To: ottbmare

I think Romney will win. But I don’t agree with everyone else that it’s going to be rainbows and hearts when that happens. Romney’s no. 1 priority is going to be suppressing conservatives in the GOP. And it appears no one on FR cares if he does that.


10 posted on 11/02/2012 2:37:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ottbmare

Praying continuously.


11 posted on 11/02/2012 2:38:50 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: Coyote Choir

...”I’m pretty sure, regardless of the outcome of the election, our family will go on trying to lead Christian lives, whatever the political weather. I would crawl to the polls on Tuesday to vote as a pro-life Catholic, but I feel very much at peace at this point”...

YES! As Christians, we know in whom we believe, and we could be called upon to give our lives for our faith..It has happened many times before and is happening now in other parts of the world.


12 posted on 11/02/2012 2:39:20 PM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: ottbmare

Finally, someone is thinking past Tuesday.

History is a good teacher about what happens after narcissistic tyrants secure their power and are no longer beholden to the people.

Understanding that, will help make your plans. At the moment, the ONLY difference between White Conservative Christians in this country and Jews in Europe during the 1930’s - is that many of us are armed.

However, the will of the majority to use arms for a right cause and purpose - is the only question I have no confidence in.


13 posted on 11/02/2012 2:41:56 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ottbmare
if the worst comes to pass, this is a vision of of one of the nightmares to come:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LUumD0MwL8&feature=share

14 posted on 11/02/2012 2:42:14 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Regarding Benghazi, I believe just as you: Obamugabe WILL get away with murder, not to mention treason. I believe it no matter who wins on Tuesday.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 2:43:08 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: ottbmare


16 posted on 11/02/2012 2:48:44 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: dfwgator
If Obama wins, I think we’ll truly pass the point of no return, and the death spiral of this country will speed up.

Yes, two more Obama USSC appointees, and they'll be able to find the U.S. Constitution "unconstitutional." And, no, I'm not kidding.

17 posted on 11/02/2012 2:51:28 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ottbmare
We'll become a nation of preppers. Food will be the only thing bought and traded. It'll be a calorie society rather than a cash society.
Oboma will have hurt those he supposedly tried to help more than anyone else. Farmers and working neighbors won't take welfare cards.

I believe the working class is tired of being used as a democrat slave force. I don't think people will be willing to cooperate anymore. Enough already!

18 posted on 11/02/2012 2:53:41 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: nickcarraway

Thank God! Someone else who recognizes the truth about Romney on this board. I thought they were all extinct!


19 posted on 11/02/2012 2:54:19 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: onyx

“Some people seem to be worried about RIOTS if Obama loses.”

“They should be more comcerned about a REVOLUTION if Obama wins.”


Either way. REVOLUTION. I have had enough.


20 posted on 11/02/2012 2:58:48 PM PDT by AlexisHeavyMetal1981 (x)
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To: ottbmare

If Obama wins I expect the tea party to rise up again and we will observe civil disobedience as obamacare is implemented. The economy will get much worse and the democrats will own it all! People haven’t suffered enough yet. They need to hit rock bottom where they start to starve. Then things will change for the better. That’s what I hope anyway.


21 posted on 11/02/2012 3:01:43 PM PDT by Darth Gill
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To: ottbmare

Boycott the Enemedia networks. Cancel cable TV permanently. Boycott
Google/Yahoo. Boycott Starbucks. Screw the entertainment media. Listen
to collections of oldies on LPs and cassette tapes. Focus on personal health and financial health. Keep contributing to FR.


22 posted on 11/02/2012 3:02:01 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: concerned about politics

I will stock up, that is for sure, because if that idiot wins, the country will crash and crash hard.

I will prepare for the worst.. probably should have been doing that anyway.


23 posted on 11/02/2012 3:05:11 PM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: onyx
“Some people seem to be worried about RIOTS if Obama loses.”

It'll be the far left extreme doing it. That won't help the radical extreme democrat party at all. People will see what the democrat party has become, and they won't like it.

24 posted on 11/02/2012 3:05:40 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: ottbmare

Going galt, at least on the spending side. Ain’t quitting my job, though. They’re hard to come by.


25 posted on 11/02/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: ottbmare

The US government won’t survive with Lil Barry at the helm. Within the next four years, some states will secede. That will be the end of this nonsense.


26 posted on 11/02/2012 3:15:18 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: ottbmare

I’ve had the same plans for a long time: now that the kids are grown and out the door, I’m going to get out of this house, since I’ll no longer be required to live near their father. I am in constant prayer that I can move to Virginia’s Piedmont and use the equity in my house to buy five to ten rural acres and a rundown house within reasonable commuting distance of a small city where I can get a modest job. That would mean Culpeper, Fredericksburg, Winchester, Charlottesville, maybe Warrenton. I am going to hide out there and become a crazy old farm woman. I have lived on a farm and know what’s involved, though it’s not much fun. I don’t expect to live too long anyway. But we’ll see what God has in mind.

I could see eventual civil disobedience. But patriots are pretty far apart, and they can isolate us further by controlling communication.


27 posted on 11/02/2012 3:17:38 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: rfp1234
Boycott the Enemedia networks. Cancel cable TV permanently. Boycott Google/Yahoo. Boycott Starbucks. Screw the entertainment media. Listen to collections of oldies on LPs and cassette tapes. Focus on personal health and financial health. Keep contributing to FR.

Already doing all that, no matter who wins, no matter what happens with the economy! It's been years since I was in a Starbucks and I don't have a TV or cable. I do't give information to Google and don't pay the entertainment industry for anything. But I was thinking more about what major changes people are thinking about if Obama wins and we see this country start sliding toward perdition.

We have been the last, best hope of mankind. If the United States is over, we are in for a long, dark time in history. Totalitarianism, repression, poverty, fear, cruelty, communism, warfare. The Devil will have a field day.

Oh, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

28 posted on 11/02/2012 3:24:23 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: rfp1234

We quit cable years ago (although we finally got an antenna a couple of weeks ago to watch MeTV & the constant weather channel; not weather.com, was a gimmee). Neither of us has been to, or rented, a movie in 25 years (we like the oldies; pre 1975, better anyway). Neither of us drink coffee. (not a “conviction”. We’re just addlepated like that) DH listens to Pandora pretty regular & I sometimes do.
That only leaves yahoo (my email) & google. I’m hoping to get a FR email next time I donate or I may go back to Hushmail if it’s not available anymore.
Any suggestions re search engines? (But I’m not likely to give up Google maps/ satellite (cause I like to check out the roads before I go. Mapquest lost me when they went “new & improved”)

PS Have I mentioned lately how much I love FR? This is the only forum I’ve ever been on where I can go back & forth without losing my post or screw up & delete all or part of it- hit the back button & there it is!


29 posted on 11/02/2012 3:31:59 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: rfp1234

Excellent advice. You’ve described much of what i do. Cancelled Cable tv in 2006. Even if there is a Romney win,
i’m thinking i’ll be moving to a more “redstate” type area.
Its a shame. I love my neighborhood, but i want to prepare
for the next,my remaining decades.


30 posted on 11/02/2012 3:41:30 PM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: ottbmare

I’m praying, too, but God may answer “No” to us. It’s really the job of Christians to get our lives in order before He will save America. He doesn’t ask for, or expect, the unsaved to do the right thing; it’s up to us to experience a revival within our own Christian lives before He will “heal the land”.

II Chron 7:14: “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”


31 posted on 11/02/2012 3:47:59 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: ottbmare

If Zero wins - I cash out my 401K - take the penalties - put the money in something more useful like preps (he’s gonna take over the 401Ks and Congress be damned......


32 posted on 11/02/2012 3:50:13 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: ottbmare

If Zero wins - I cash out my 401K - take the penalties - put the money in something more useful like preps (he’s gonna take over the 401Ks and Congress be damned......


33 posted on 11/02/2012 3:51:11 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: MayflowerMadam
I’m praying, too, but God may answer “No” to us

If God forgives the US in its' current state, he's going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.

34 posted on 11/02/2012 3:51:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ottbmare
If 0 wins, I'm going to quietly put my USA flag in a ziplock and keep it in my safe. I won't fly my precious flag during the coming death of America.

"....for which it STOOD."

35 posted on 11/02/2012 4:10:09 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: ottbmare

Yeah; I’ve been praying “Lord help us” for a long time, for this Obamanation to turn around hard. If it’s His will for Obama to run things for the next 4 yrs. (please no!), we will hunker down out here on the 16 acres we have, continue to raise the little organic garden like we have for the past few years and store what I’m able to store, stock supplies in the bunker, prepare for whatever comes, simplify, simplify, simplify, forget the chickens most likely, hunker down and let the liberals continue to live in their make believe bubble while we continue to live in Realville. - Honestly, we know that no matter what Romney does if he’s elected, the MSM will be on him like a duck on a June bug as a mean old Republican. Democrats will continue to lie and block every step of the way. People may have to get a craw full of socialism before they decide it’s not all that wonderful after all. I’m gonna trust in the Lord and not lean on my own understanding.


36 posted on 11/02/2012 4:10:09 PM PDT by Twinkie (REMEMBER BENGHAZI !!!!)
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To: fwdude; nickcarraway
I do understand how you feel. And I don't entertain any illusions concerning what we can expect from Romney.

It's just that any war is fought in independent battles. The battle we are engaged in now is going to result in either a win or loss for Obama.

If Obama does not win, we will gain some ground and we can begin to prepare for the next fight. If Obama does win, things are going to get a LOT harder for all of us.

So, for now, I stay focused on this...

VOTE FOR ONE:

___ OBAMA

X_ THE ONE WHO IS NOT OBAMA


37 posted on 11/02/2012 4:15:00 PM PDT by Route66 (........America's Main Street)
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To: fwdude

“I thought they were all extinct!”

Nope. Just sort of observing.


38 posted on 11/02/2012 4:38:34 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: ottbmare

The thought of Obama winning again is frightening indeed. Emboldened by victory even after all the lies, failures and corruption and with no fear of losing the next election, he will act with total impunity.

25% unemployment, 70 million Americans in poverty, 70 million Americans on food stamps, 23 trillion in debt, full implementation of Obamacare, higher and higher taxes and tighter and tighter government control will be the order of the day.

We’ve all GOT to get together and vote Obama out on November 6th whether we like Romney or not!

And by the way I’ve got 4 months worth of canned goods and bottled water, 2 shotguns, 2 rifles and 2 pistols, lots of ammo and The Holy Bible. And working on gathering more.


39 posted on 11/02/2012 4:50:31 PM PDT by tlp2001 (Capitalism is based on human strength, communism is based on human weakness)
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To: ottbmare

My husband and I have dicussed this a lot lately. We’ve pretty much decided that if the rat commie gets another 4 years we’re heading to Texas or Oklahoma.

We figure that will be where Americans will make their last stand.


40 posted on 11/02/2012 4:50:35 PM PDT by katnip (Why Do Democrats Hate Babies?)
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To: ottbmare

My husband and I have dicussed this a lot lately. We’ve pretty much decided that if the rat commie gets another 4 years we’re heading to Texas or Oklahoma.

We figure that will be where Americans will make their last stand.


41 posted on 11/02/2012 4:51:23 PM PDT by katnip (Why Do Democrats Hate Babies?)
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It’s over, Sandy was the October Surprise, 2012 lost, 2016 starts today. Pure panic mode on a level that I have never been before. 2012, the election year that stinks!


42 posted on 11/02/2012 5:44:22 PM PDT by yield 2 the right (2012, the election year that stinks!)
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To: nickcarraway
Romney’s no. 1 priority is going to be suppressing conservatives in the GOP.

More precisely, his no. 1 priority is going to be his own re-election. This man has no other constant principle.

But he will see suppressing conservatives as being to his political advantage, so I agree with you that's what he'll do. He'll begin on Nov. 7.
43 posted on 11/02/2012 7:13:42 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: ottbmare

No matter who wins, I will pray for the wisdom, the strength and the faith to accept God’s will as He reveals it.

Praise God.

Trust God.


44 posted on 11/02/2012 7:17:44 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: ottbmare

If Obama wins, I think I’ll lose my job, go on food stamps and get myself a free Obamaphone. F’ it! I’m tired of being a chump!


45 posted on 11/02/2012 7:20:22 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: ottbmare
Well Bozo won another 4 years so I have already cancelled having two trees cut down. I told them because Obama won I could not afford it anymore. They called back within 2 minutes and a women said that she understood etc. but was laughing the whole time (I didn't bother answering the phone but its on the messages). Next I'm getting rid of my liberal newspaper and letting them know why plus no longer will shop at Walmart. No Christmas lights this year or for the next 4 years. I still have the two bottles of champagne in the fridge. Don't know if or when I'll open them. It may be as long as 4 years.
46 posted on 11/07/2012 10:38:51 AM PST by jrcats
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