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Seek Suggestions for 17 Year Old Grandson's Chirstmas Present:

Posted on 11/30/2012 8:05:10 PM PST by Vinylly

I have a 16 year old grandson that spends too much time on the computer and playing X games. He doesn't read books. So, I am thinking of giving him a couple of books for his christmas present. Two books I am thinking of is; 'The Richest Man In Babylon' by George Clasan and 'Anthem' by Ayn Rand. I would like suggestions from other writers that counter act the teaching he is getting in his school, and still be interesting for a 16 year old.


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To: Vinylly

I like struggles list also recommend ‘killer angels’ about Gettysburg, Tolkien LOTR or hobbit (movie out in a few weeks). If you know the game types you could tie to what he enjoys more - Scifi, fantasy, historical fiction or just history, etc


21 posted on 11/30/2012 8:26:34 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Vinylly

A Bible, New King James


22 posted on 11/30/2012 8:27:01 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Vinylly

My Brother once told me that people give gifts that they them self would like to get.

Since then I have noticed it is often true especially with kids. For instance my Grand daughter gave me a really nice necklace for my birthday. Of course she was only six and probably thought I would like it since she would.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 8:28:06 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Vinylly

First stop worrying about the computer games.
Computer games develop math skills as the player must develop skills in sequential reasoning.
Reading the instructions is reading.
Kids will read a book if the book is interesting, problem for 16 year olds is most stuff is just not interesting.
Find a common interest between you and your grandson and buy that book, do not try and foist your interests on him - common interest is the key.
Teach him love him.......that is what is important.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 8:28:39 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“The diabetic kid, the nursing home visit...’

Those dam’ dogs.....


25 posted on 11/30/2012 8:28:56 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Vinylly

“Chirstmas Present”

How about a couple of dictionaries.
One for each of you.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 8:29:03 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

>>Earth Abides by George Stewart.

Read it in my middle school years and liked it but Stand blew it away.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 8:30:04 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Vinylly

Oh, and another thing.
My husband bough a junker for our daughter when she was 15, and together they worked on it and fixed it up so by the time she was 17 and could drive she was a pro on basic auto repair.
That is an idea.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 8:31:37 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: struggle

Any gun will do, as they offers an opportunity for many “quality time” excursions to the range.


29 posted on 11/30/2012 8:32:21 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Vinylly

I suggest no books, if he does not read much now. Or possibly one or two of the Heinleins. Starship Troopers, suggested earlier, is a good read. Maybe “Between Two Planets”, as the kid in it is about 16, IIRC.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 8:32:30 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Vinylly

Holy crap, I forgot.

Want to REALLY show him human nature and make him think you’re some kind of rock star literary expert?

http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Royale-Novel-Koushun-Takami/dp/1421527723/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354336024&sr=8-1&keywords=battle+royale+novel

I read this when it was still Japanese only but it was profound and beautiful.


31 posted on 11/30/2012 8:33:20 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Vinylly

Hire someone from the nearest ‘hood to “break in” and steal the x-box game and leave some fake Hollywood blood in a couple of spots.

Fear is often a great motivator, worry about the books later.


32 posted on 11/30/2012 8:37:54 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Neidermeyer

not that much cash, lol


33 posted on 11/30/2012 8:40:13 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Vinylly

For books: The Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Hobbit. Great allegory. Barnes and Noble has some anniversary editions out that you can order online and they also have an inexpensive 4 volume set.

Another great set of books is The C. S. Lewis classics Chronicles of Narnia which come in boxed sets of paperbacks.

For theme of Redemption: Victor Hugo’s Les Miserables - kind of heavy going, but has a great message.

All have related movies showing this season, or in the case of Narnia, recent era movies. It is a worthwhile lesson to contrast the richness of reading the book vs seeing the movie.

Re 22 rifles: another possibility, the Marlin model 60 is a good tube-fed semi-auto, great for learning shooting, and target plinking.


35 posted on 11/30/2012 8:47:24 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: struggle
Get him a .38 Taurus or a CZ52

I have both of those. At least I did before the unfortunate boating accident.

36 posted on 11/30/2012 8:48:31 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: svcw
Computer games develop math skills...

No they don't.
37 posted on 11/30/2012 8:48:42 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Vinylly

Try to capture his imagination.

Think of his interests, and then find a biography or autobiography book about the successful life of someone who either had similar interests or personality traits.

Buy a book that is moral, emphasizes work and is inspiring.

Try the reference Librarian at your Public Library first. A bookstore will probably guide you to the drug-culture rags to riches heroes of today.

Historical men and women are a good choice, as the reader will tend to focus on the work and ethics, rather than the glitz and glamor of someone in our familiar pop culture.

Read part of the book to him, discuss possible meaning of what you have read, and try to create confidence in him that his interpretations can be trusted to be valid. Get him started, step back and discuss the ideas at the dinner table.

The Dinner Table is where we all have to behave ourselves so that we can sustain our bodies until the next meal. Bringing non-food ideas in at dinner time forces all to be more polite and tolerant. Discussing his ideas with a wide range of aged people will raise his confidence as he makes his way from child to adult.

BTW, the above is just MHO as a Father and Grandfather. Revise all to your situation.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 8:51:46 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: svcw; Vinylly

I agree with svcw. I had one son who wasn’t much of a book reader, but he loved reading the sports pages. He eventually worked his way to reading novels that his English teacher (also his soccer coach) encouraged him with. He later read Dante’s Inferno with great interest. There’s a book for everyone, you just have to find out what he’s interested in.

Find a mutual interest and cultivate that hobby. Use books/magazines/etc. that will apply. The love and interest you show in him will be very special and bonding. Best wishes!


39 posted on 11/30/2012 8:53:10 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: SpaceBar

Yes, they do.
It is the sequential aspect.


40 posted on 11/30/2012 8:54:54 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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