Cold Fusion Pioneer says LENR is not Fusion

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[Kevmo]

Cold Fusion Pioneer says LENR is not Fusion

Published November 20, 2012. | By jennifer.

The man who invented the term “cold fusion” now says that the effect popularly described as cold fusion or low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) is not fusion. Professor Emeritus Steven E. Jones told Sterling D. Allan of Pure Energy Systems that he’s not sure what to call the effect.

Jones is the man who came up with the term cold fusion in a Scientific American article in July 1987. Jones was actually researching the phenomenon two full years before Pons and Fleischmann put it on the map. Yet he is still unsure of what to call it after nearly thirty years of research.

Like many researchers Jones has been able to create excess heat in electrolytic cells but hasn’t been able to explain where it comes from. Jones told Allan that he thinks the process should not be called “fusion” because it doesn’t exhibit the characteristics of fusion. He thinks the use of the term fusion makes it easy for naysayers to ignore and shutdown LENR experiments.

Jones doesn’t like the term LENR either because he thinks that a lot of the processes involved are not nuclear. If that’s true it means a lot of LENR researchers have been looking in the wrong places. In other words it is a chemical or electrochemical process. It also lends credence to Andrea Rossi’s recent claims that he can achieve LENR reactions through a gas fired device.

Jones proposed that LENR be called “Freedom Energy” which is a misleading term because it lends credence to the misleading notion that cold fusion is free energy. There is no such as free energy because a device has to be built and energy has to be fed into to achieve the reaction. Since you would have to pay for the device and the energy neither is free. A better term might “anomalous xs heat” which would enable researchers to examine the phenomenon without getting lynched by physicists.

Jones attempt to replicate Peter Davey's World War II era research courtesy Pure Energy Systems

Jones has managed to replicate Pons and Fleischmann’s famous experiments and create excess heat in a bell shaped electrode apparatus. Interestingly enough Jones copied his design from Peter Davey a scientist from New Zealand who performed similar experiments in the 1940s. Jones believes that Davey produced amounts of energy that were several times what he put into his device over forty years before Pons and Fleischmann got together in Utah.

More of Steven Jones' back room experiments

Jones has been invited to give a lecture on his work and theories at the Sidney Kimmel Institute for Nuclear Renaissance (SKINR) at the University of Missouri. Jones apparently gave the lecture in October although Allan doesn’t say whether he did or not. A Power Point of Jones lecture is available online. Jones lecture is evidence of the importance of openness to LENR at a major university. His revelations also indicate that the future of LENR is in the hands of garage researchers and not the scientific establishment.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Meanwhile, we're still waiting for someone, anyone, to present credible evidence for a LENR device that can brew a cup of tea. So far, no one has even come close."

Interestingly enough, Beaudette uses a similar "kitchen analogy" to illustrate the magnitude of energy release. He uses the following "layman's description" of the results of one of the Japanese efforts....."the energy released was enough to power an electric stove burner at full heat for seventeen hours".

I suspect that one can brew quite a few "cuppas" in seventeen hours.

So, once again, we find that the proof you want already exists.

[muawiyah]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2966526/posts ~ Kev, you’ll want to read through this bit ~ that’s where some of your critics come from ~ whether they know it or not. You said ‘rossi’ ~ they said ‘we know where you live’ ~ I do believe I came close to uncovering this last November a year ago.

[Moonman62]

From the Wiki entry for Steven E. Jones:

In the fall of 2006, amid controversy surrounding his work on the collapse of the World Trade Center (Jones claimed to have evidence that showed the buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition during the September 11 attacks), he was relieved of his teaching duties at Brigham Young University and placed on paid leave.

[Moonman62]

“Andrea Rossi’s recent claims ...” There is no end to this laugh train....Kevmo, you aren’t done with this guy yet?

It always comes back to Rossi when Kevmo posts a cold fusion article doesn't it?

[Kevmo]

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19

[Moonman62]

LENR seems to have its own set of Anti-Science Truthers.

Funny how you mention "Truthers," when your guy Steven Jones is a certified Truther.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=23#23

[Kevmo]

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19

[Moonman62]

I'm more than happy to have people come on here, see you get your butt kicked, and see how cranky you are when it comes to Rossi and his cold fusion fraud.

[Kevmo]

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19

[Wonder Warthog]

Looks like the supposed “error” has already been shown not to exist:

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/171-celani-did-not-see-that-effect

[Kevmo]

So... when do the anti-science brigade accept the evidence now that it no longer favors their viewpoint?

[Moonman62]

(E-cats) "NyTeknik Reports on Halted Swedish Investment in Hydrofusion Following Tests...

Hydrofusion today issued the following press release on their web site: Hydro Fusion witnessed a new independent test of the high temperature ECAT prototype reactor on September 6th in Bologna. Although no full report has yet been received, early indications are that the results of the July 16th/August 7th reports could not be reproduced. Hydro Fusion cannot at this stage support any claims made, written or other, about the amount of excess heat generated by the new high temperature ECAT prototype

[Wonder Warthog]

"So... when do the anti-science brigade accept the evidence now that it no longer favors their viewpoint?"

My guess.....after they are dead.

[Kevmo]

Max Planck - Wikiquote

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Truth never triumphs — its opponents just die out. Science advances one funeral at a time.

[SunkenCiv]

Professor Emeritus Steven E. Jones... is the man who came up with the term cold fusion in a Scientific American article in July 1987. Jones was actually researching the phenomenon two full years before Pons and Fleischmann put it on the map. Yet he is still unsure of what to call it after nearly thirty years of research... he thinks the process should not be called “fusion” because it doesn’t exhibit the characteristics of fusion... doesn’t like the term LENR either because he thinks that a lot of the processes involved are not nuclear. If that’s true it means a lot of LENR researchers have been looking in the wrong places. In other words it is a chemical or electrochemical process... Jones has managed to replicate Pons and Fleischmann’s famous experiments and create excess heat in a bell shaped electrode apparatus. Interestingly enough Jones copied his design from Peter Davey a scientist from New Zealand who performed similar experiments in the 1940s. Jones believes that Davey produced amounts of energy that were several times what he put into his device over forty years before Pons and Fleischmann got together in Utah.

Thanks Kevmo!

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[onedoug]

I always thought it was resonance.

[MHGinTN]

BTTT

[Kevmo]

catching up on some LENR reading, huh?

[exDemMom]

That’s the big problem with cold fusion/LENR: you need to be able to consistently demonstrate a long-running reaction which generates energy well in excess of any possible chemical reaction.

It also needs to be disconnected from external power sources, and be examined to show that there are no hidden compartments containing batteries, charged capacitors, or tiny nuclear reactors. If it really generates excess energy, then some of that energy could be fed back in to keep the device running.

But nothing we would expect to see if cold/fusion or LENR were real actually happens, does it? Instead, we see nothing but endless diatribes about how it's "real." Oddly, when things really are real, no one spends a lot of time defending their reality...