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Things that don't add up... (CT shooting)

Posted on 12/14/2012 11:24:47 PM PST by djf

Now I've been watching this news for most of the day. Remarkably, it seems to change every few minutes.

First, we had the name change. Who exactly did the shooting? Ryan? Adam? Someone else?

Then, we hear that someone in camo garb or something was apprehended in the woods. When I first heard this, I assumed it was the brother and that was why there was confusion about the name.

But turns out that the brother was actually at work - and was not in the woods. So who was in the woods?

We hear that the mother is a teacher at the school. Then we hear that she was actually a teachers assistant. Then I see a brief interview with someone who DOES work at the school and who says "Nobody here every heard of her."

Then, tonight, she is reported as being unemployed.

First, the guns (which we have YET to get a clear description of the types and calibers) were stolen from the mother. Then, they were "legally purchased"... but no indication when or from where. Latest, a brief statement that they were "legally purchased with a license provided by a family member"... Now I'm not trying to label anybody here, but it sounds a little out of character that some suburban mom in small-town New England would have that many guns.

Huh?

The ONLY picture we have seen of this guy so far is an out-of-focus pic taken in 2005! 2005? He didn't have a drivers license? A girlfriend? I can't see how he might get a gun without some sort of valid photo id.

Last I heard, only three of the children made it to the hospital. If so, this would be a stunning percentage kill-ratio wise for the guy. In fact in most public shootings, the vast majority are wounded, but not killed. Did this guy have some kind of training?

Too many loose ends. The story keeps changing.

Am I the only one who is having trouble thinking that this was just some whacko dude who blew a fuse and started shooting?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; sandyhookquestions; sandyhookshooting; secondamendment; vanity
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To: Fireone
Tonight, they’re saying that the mother was a substitute teacher at the school, and the principal recognized the shooter as her son, and buzzed him in through a locked door.

With an AR-15 and two handguns? Some things are just hard to conceal.

81 posted on 12/15/2012 2:55:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The overload of info... - it’s looking more and more like intentional disinfo.

Pretty convenient that the few people who could have given us hard facts are all dead.

Just in the last hour or so, I’m hearing that he had at least one more riffle (above the one found in the trunk) and a couple shotguns... but no one seems willing to say where they were found.

Amazing.


82 posted on 12/15/2012 2:56:53 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: All

They also said the gunman killed his own daughter in the kindergarden class -—then said son later......


83 posted on 12/15/2012 3:01:35 AM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: 21twelve
I don’t believe for a moment that this is some government conspiracy - just a nutcase kid.

It doesn't have to be. If the government muddles the facts well enough and tweaks the emotions of enough people incapable of critical thought, the result can be the same. The Government conspiracy is the one to use horrible events like this to attempt to remove a fundamental Right. That's even a crime.

84 posted on 12/15/2012 3:06:29 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Errant
Sure doesn’t seem possible that a young, skinny, untrained, autistic could be such a proficient and cold blooded killer.

I said the same about the Port Arthur Massacre in Tasmania, which was the pivotal event in sweeping gun bans there.

85 posted on 12/15/2012 3:10:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Errant

The autism part is what is bothering me too. I’m a psychiatric nurse and I am team leader over a child-adolescent unit. I’ve never seen an autistic patient who would be capable of such a high kill ratio. This part bothers me too. I’m not trying to diagnose him and I have never treated this particular boy, I’m just saying that in all the years I’ve been working in my profession, I have never seen an autistic patient who would be capable of this. And that includes the ones with Aspberger’s.


86 posted on 12/15/2012 3:15:58 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: 9YearLurker
It would be very unusual for a sociopath to not have a criminal history of some kind dating back to at least adolescence and sometimes younger. They place little to no value on conforming to society's laws, so there is usually a history of lawbreaking, most often involving violence. Sociopathy/Psychopathy is at the severe end of the antisocial personality disorder spectrum. In my job as a mental health counselor at a community mental health center, I do intakes. I have sat across from some of these people, and I can almost pick them out walking in the door. They just have a way about them that is creepy. They are so untreatable that we do not accept them into our program.
87 posted on 12/15/2012 3:18:37 AM PST by BoomerBabe
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To: Arlis

That was in the trunk of the car, not used.


88 posted on 12/15/2012 3:24:34 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: djf; mickie; flaglady47; Chigirl 26; seekthetruth; seenenuf; Bob Ireland; surfer; oswegodeee; ...
In addition to all the misinformation, the killer's rampage is being ascribed to "Asperger's Disease"......although at this time no one knows diddly-squat what was wrong with the guy.

A year ago, the rumors would have been that he was bi-polar. Today, the quick reason for unthinkable or multiple murders by one individual is Asperger's, the current soup de jour of excuses.

Actually, this "disease" is known in the medical profession as "Asperger's Syndrome" or "Asperger's Disorder". Not all that much is known about it yet, except (condensed) it's thought to be a milder form of autism.

Physical clumsiness is one sympton of Asperger's....which is interesting in the context of this multiple killing spree.

At any rate, Asperger's, in connection with this murderer, is just wild speculation at this point.

It could very well be this disorder, or bi-polarism (manic/depressive), uncontrollable rage, drugs....or it could be he was just plain evil.

Leni

89 posted on 12/15/2012 3:30:57 AM PST by MinuteGal (I'm Going to Update the Name That No One Dares to Utter and I'll Use It From Now On......OBAMUNISM !)
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To: djf; All

Not only everything you mentioned is accurate (and troubling)....the dead children’s bodies ARE STILL IN THE CLASSROOMS 21 HRS AFTER THEIR MURDER....the bodies are decomposing as we speak...as investigators “continue the investigation”. The childrens bodies should have been at least taken to the morgue

Yes...the false reports. The supposed 2d shooter in the woods. A mother whose status at the school changes every hour. A woman with a mentally whacked out son has so many weapons at home IN A GUN CONTROL STATE

Something is not right here

And, those who immediately discount things with “Conspiracy Theory”....you may be the ones wearing the tin foil hats here.

Things do not add up


90 posted on 12/15/2012 3:36:00 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: BoomerBabe

There’s a significant difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. You appear to be referring to only an extreme form of sociopath as the term is now used:

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html


91 posted on 12/15/2012 3:44:28 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Smokin' Joe

Port Arthur massacre also had strong elements of CT.

False Flag for repealing gun rights.


92 posted on 12/15/2012 3:45:01 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Duckdog

“This adminatration sent guns to the drug cartells to kill people, so why would they not do it here?”

I wouldn’t put anything past this evil administration. I have a hard time believing that these shootings in the past 4 years have nothing to do with one another. Something stinks to high heaven. Columbine seemed believable, then there was the Virginia Tech. Now they are being mass produced in the 4 years under this jerk. Sickening and sad, but I really wouldnt put anything past them to push their agenda.


93 posted on 12/15/2012 3:52:38 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: djf

In grade school, several decades ago, in our very small town; God wasn’t barred from school, computers and cellphones were absent, tv wasn’t the cesspool it is now. We walked single-file, our whole class, down to see the latest holiday window decorations at the little florist down the street from the school just to have an outing. Our principal was an energetic crippled man on crutches. - I’m just homesick for a more innocent time and place, I guess.


94 posted on 12/15/2012 4:11:16 AM PST by Twinkie (Draw nigh unto the Lord - John 3:16)
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To: djf

It will take a long time to collate the information and try to make some sense of it all, if that’s even possible.

One thing’s for sure - Bloomberg and Menino wasted no time trying to advance their agenda - http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Menino-gun-control

These guys are truly shameless.


95 posted on 12/15/2012 4:12:07 AM PST by GP100
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To: jazzlite

Think Fast and Furious.


96 posted on 12/15/2012 4:16:47 AM PST by Josephat
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To: rickomatic

The numbers put up a red flag for me too. I read somewhere that in any action that the killed to wounded ratio is between 2 to1 or 3 to 1. So that means for 28 dead there should have been 50 wounded. Did he, God forbid execute the wounded? I guess he could have had time and opportunity. The one good thing I heard the police say was they immediately entered the school rather than I believe in Columbine they waited to assess the situation.


97 posted on 12/15/2012 4:17:32 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: GP100

And just like that... he is an honor student raised by smart, loving, and caring parents.

http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-school-shooting-suspect-honours-student-lived-prosperous-065028372.html


98 posted on 12/15/2012 4:18:38 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Fireone

“...the principal recognized the shooter as her son, and buzzed him in through a locked door.”

Hmmm... Since I heard he was wearing a mask, how did the principal recognize him? Also, it’s unfortunate she’s dead and can’t tell us what happened.


99 posted on 12/15/2012 4:21:42 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: TN4Liberty

Since the MSM has trained me to always look for the dog that didn’t bark, to read what isn’t said better than what actually is said a la Pravda under the Soviet Union, I have to say that the father remaining nameless stands out. Some reports had him being killed. No name.


100 posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:25 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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