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Vanity for LEOs.

Posted on 12/15/2012 7:33:09 AM PST by Vermont Lt

We just had a discussion in our house. We were wondering why the police need to do this exhaustive investigation of the crime scene when most everyone agrees the killer has been found, and he is dead--so he is not going to be prosecuted?

What are they looking for, and would it be better to simply get this circus over as soon as possible.

Does anyone have any explanation for the layman?


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To: Vermont Lt

In all states, a non-natural death, must be investigated as to cause. When a non-natural death is deemed a homicide, the killing of a human being, the death then becomes a possible crime and must be investigated. The investigation hopefully will name a perpetrator and any others involved. Those others may have supplied the instrument of the crime; were involved in a conspiracy or other aspects of the incident.

We had many cases, where there was only one victim and one apparent suspect. Further work revealed other aspects of the crime, most usually conspiracies.

Additionally, though not a law enforcement issue, there will be law suits coming and a police investigation should reveal all aspects of the culpability of those involved.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 7:56:46 AM PST by barney10
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To: Nip

>> And this came in spite of the community’s best efforts to prevent it.

Like having a more secure school entry system?
Like training and arming teachers?
Like clamping down on the media circus that will turn little Mr. Nut Boy into a hero to all the whack jobs in the country?
Like not confining identified nuts to institutions?


22 posted on 12/15/2012 7:57:05 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Too many bureaucrats depend on getting in on the action so their paychecks are justified. Politicians will pop up anywhere there are reporters. There is no excuse for bodies lying around for a day when the shooter is dead.

Fox News’s old doctor says it’s necessary in case there are civil suits brought against the school district, so that could be the necessary evil involved.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 7:57:30 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Vermont Lt

A thorough investigation of the crime scene, vs a casual assessment, will yield more, solid information. Casual overview assumes a lot which may or may not be true.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 7:57:43 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Nip
I am bitter over all of the tomorrows that were so suddenly lost yesterday and all the tears that will be shed this Christmas and for years to come

Perfectly said...besides the 28 dead, another couple of hundred folks will never live without the sadness and pain

That is a lot of damage.

Evil lives and we are pawns with our own will and folks even here like to reject that...yet another reminder.

25 posted on 12/15/2012 7:57:45 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Vermont Lt

1. “...(M)ost everyone agrees...” in and of itself is not the best reason to do or not do something.

2. “...he is dead—so he is not going to be prosecuted...” could be said of Lee Harvey Oswald at the time. Yet there is still controversy and the belief on the part of some that everyone involved was not caught. In the case at hand, we don’t yet know if others were or were not involved.

3. The more you know about “it”, the better your chances of “fixing it”.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 7:59:53 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Yes...lots of questions...

Especially why they left the corpses of the kids in the classroom for nearly a whole day. Only in recent hour or so they finally removed all bodies.

And, these days, whenever anyone plays the “Conspiracy Theory” card in situations like these (some on here already have)....that just sends the radar up full-blast...there is something going on


27 posted on 12/15/2012 8:00:51 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Vermont Lt
This predictable display of local police dressed up like soldiers, in large groups, strutting before the cameras AFTER the shooting stops, is part of the same security show we see with TSA in our faces at the airports. Doesn't do a damn bit of good except to lay the groundwork for more tax dollars to pay for more government.

When are the morons in this country that espouse more gun laws (but won't give up their private security details)going to admit that being personally responsible for your own safety is the best way to prevent crime in the first place?

28 posted on 12/15/2012 8:03:40 AM PST by patriotsblood
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To: wardaddy

>> ... besides the 28 dead, another couple of hundred folks will never live without the sadness and pain

Way, way more than that. You’re a first responder - Polce/Fire/EMT - and have to wade through the horror of 20 limp dead children in a pool of blood. You go home to family and neighbors. They ask “What was it like?” Your one word answer: “Bad.” You stuff the rest. There’s no “delete” button in your brain.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 8:09:03 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Vermont Lt
It is all about CYA for the jurisdictions involved.

You can be sure that the sharks are circling this tragedy before the blood drys in preparation for filing civil lawsuits against any jurisdiction or persons remotely connected to this that has $$$ deep pockets.

30 posted on 12/15/2012 8:10:15 AM PST by KeyLargo
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“...armed away type guys walking around for hours and hours after the event was over.”

You know for a fact that the event was over? That seems suspicious.

What if the opinion that the “event” was over was incorrect, they sent the armed men home, and the next stage of the “event” was initiated by the perpetrators? Would you be saying the armed men should have stayed?


31 posted on 12/15/2012 8:12:25 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Vermont Lt

They have to be sure no one else was involved. They already know how the shooter illegally obtained his weapons.

The Feds will also want to have a MO and personality profile on the shooter so they can classify another group of Americans as domestic “terrorists” and spy on them and deny their rights.


32 posted on 12/15/2012 8:12:44 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Vermont Lt

Data- a study of the shooting scene and piecing together exactly what happened can aid investigators in future situations where they do have a perp captured.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 8:19:59 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: QBFimi

Bump!

My question: How many people with concealed carry permits were in the building at the time of the shooting? How many of them were actually carrying? If not, why not?

This tragedy was like shooting fish in a barrel. I wonder how much fear for his personal safety the shooter had as he shot and killed innocent little kids?


34 posted on 12/15/2012 8:22:38 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Some of those bodies may not have been easy to identify. Young children don’t usually carry around an ID.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 8:25:43 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Vermont Lt

Just saw the sheriff tv press conference.

he said “we want to understand more importantly WHY he did what he did”

What job is it of the police to find out WHY?

They are supposed to investigate, arrest, catalog, control evidence, etc. When they rush to judgement (by trying for instance to find the WHY) they are usurping the DA/Judicial authority.

This is why you get the “railroading” of people. Because the police show up and “decide” WHO and WHY and then they set about collecting facts to shore up the HOW.

THis is why we have bad law enforcement - they don’t want to do their job, they want to take on the job of the DA and the judiciary.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 8:27:28 AM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Vermont Lt

I understand the need for law enforcement to dissect every detail in these cases. I would however prefer the jackal media sluts be kept far away. Interviewing children, postulating on all, feigning sorrow while they shove a camera and a microphone into suffering persons faces, asking the numb questions of officials. Shame on that tired industry.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 8:27:36 AM PST by BigLittle (Let us not expect the spiritual spring until we first pass through the spiritual winter.)
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To: amom

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38 posted on 12/15/2012 8:27:57 AM PST by amom
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To: Nip

A well thought out and articulate reply to this good question. Thank you for your post!


39 posted on 12/15/2012 8:32:57 AM PST by amom
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To: G Larry

“School security? How do you improve that?”

Good question. This won’t be the last school attack.

Within twenty years (I’ll be gone), expect to see schools constructed like prisons, surrounded by impenetrable fences, walls, armed guards, etc.


40 posted on 12/15/2012 8:34:14 AM PST by Road Glide
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