Posted on 01/16/2013 8:51:44 PM PST by BobL
Given President Obama's list of 23 Exective Orders, the one that seems to have the quickest and most direct effect on the public is #16, which will likely result in a defacto regulation that doctors will ask about guns at home...and they won't just ask you, they will ask your children (as happened to me a number of years ago), every time. The reason that it is a defacto requirement is that no doctor wants to be the one that didn't ask, the next time a Newtown-type shooter goes nuts.
So how to respond? I'll give a few possible answers, and my take on them:
1) For Heavens sake no, guns only result in violence and more suffering.
2) Nope, I just don't like having them around. I prefer to call the police.
3) None of your damn business. I might, I might not.
4) Yes, but only for defense and I keep it locked up except when under my control.
5) Yes, and I can put a round between your eyes from 50 yards.
And the winner is... #2 - regardless of whether you actually own any. #1 looks too contrived (in my opinion).
Obviously #5 gets you an immediate escort to the slammer, but #3 gets you put on the kook side - which means not only a gun owner, but one of those dangerous types that loves freedom - and believe me, that will be a category (for the database) by the time this is done. #4 still puts you on the wrong side of the issue, as far as the government is concerned. To them, a safe and responsible gun owner is still a dangerous person.
So what about your kids when they're asked? My first recommendation is to not even let them know you have guns until you've trained them well enough to lie convincingly. Others may not agree, and that's fine, but the (government's) plan will be to use the kids to extract information that the parents would not otherwise divulge. Once the kid(s) reach the capability of lying, all they have to say is there are no guns in the home, and that's it. Should you teach your kids to lie? My answer has always been yes - when it is in the interest of protecting your family from government. No different than if they're asked whether they're spanked. A no answer ends the discussion...a yes answer leads to more questions and possibly a case file being opened.
That's it from me - now it's your turn.
folks, my post was a joke- obviously you do NOT want to teach your kids to lie OR to swear, which is why I said that in my post- one is just as bad as the other- it was only meant as humor— I do NOT advocate tellign your kids to say soemthign liek that to a doc lol-
Thanks for that detailed and very lengthy legal paragraph of the rules. I guess that is what The King’s Edict #2 is about:
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
“No, mommy doesn’t spank me.”
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“Daddy has a gun.”
I will tell the the Doctor - I’ll answer your question if you answer mine first, Have you quit beating your Wife yet Doc?
[[Have you quit beating your Wife yet Doc?]]
Answer: Yup- I quit right after she got a gun
Be prepared; your illustrious FedGov has already determined that you can not lie to any Federal Official under penalty of perjury.
To a male or female doc: “How many dildos do you own?” Answer: “That’s OFFENSIVE!” Reply: “Yup, so is what you just asked me, but not nearly as offensive. Bye.”
My doc asks me about firearms, smoke alarms, if I wear a seat belt & other stuff that has nothing to do with why I’m there. No wonder he can’t see more patients, he’s taking dictation for the US Gov’t.
Mmwaah!
Mmwaah!
Isn’t there Just Lying Theory, as there is for war? There oughtta be.
Lying isn’t necessary. Smart or clever people can answer in a way that makes people interpret your answer to your liking.
“Do you own a guy?”
“I’m a pacifist.”
That is a statement, not a “no” answer and I left off, “until you break into my home....”
or even better for me personally-
“I dedicated my career as an RN to saving lives. Do you really think I’d own a gun?” Of course the unspoken answer is, “well then you’d be right.”
I will neither confirm nor deny the existance of guns in my home.......just don`t come snooping around after dark to check.
"In America, over 300 thousand healthy children are murdered each year by folks practicing in your profession. Do you feel a propensity to ask your patients if they keep a doctor in the house? Heal thyself physician."
“Why? Should I?!?! You hear so many things...”
[trail off thoughtfully at the end]
How about saying, “Why do you ask?”
“Anyway, If you have a CCW, bought a hunting license, bought a gun in the last ten years or so, your on a “list”. “
Actually, not everyone. If you bought privately (not from a federally licensed dealer), you might not be on any list (unless the seller had you checked out). That’s the so-called “gun show loophole”, which means millions of gun owners are not on any list. It is those people they’re trying to find.
“My pediatrician asked me. I told them I wouldn’t answer with the following explanation. I don’t know who has access to their records. If I answered yes it could prompt someone to try and rob the house to steal my guns.”
Perfectly rational answer, but still puts you on the wrong side of the database. A “no” answer puts you with, probably, 80% of the country, so there is some safety in numbers there.
“The way I see it, anyone who is stupid enough to answer such a question affirmatively, is probably too stupid to be around a gun.”
No, I wouldn’t go that far. People will want to tell the truth when asked a question by a doctor. We all (mostly) grew up in a day when you could tell a doctor your darkest secret and knew it was safe. Now they are agents of the state.
The shock effect of being asked that question is critical to them...and people need to be prepared, which is why I did this posting.
“The government could see a person owns a gun, cross reference that at the IRS with a “no” answer to the doctor, and call that “insane” to take the gun away.”
Or maybe hand out a form that makes it perjury to lie on it about anything, including gun ownership. But keep in mind that in states where guns are not registered, it is still legal for owners to meet a guy in the park that they don’t otherwise know, and sell him all the guns that the person has - and then claim that on the form. Obviously, if you state that, and then get caught with guns, you might have some explaining to do.
“Unless the doctor shoots too.”
Obviously lots of doctors shoot guns, but so do a lot of other people who aren’t agents of the government. I mean one could mention to an IRS auditor that one has a collection of high-power guns. The auditor might say: “Cool, me too, let’s go shooting”. But it is worth the risk that he might also react differently?
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