Posted on 01/16/2013 8:51:44 PM PST by BobL
Given President Obama's list of 23 Exective Orders, the one that seems to have the quickest and most direct effect on the public is #16, which will likely result in a defacto regulation that doctors will ask about guns at home...and they won't just ask you, they will ask your children (as happened to me a number of years ago), every time. The reason that it is a defacto requirement is that no doctor wants to be the one that didn't ask, the next time a Newtown-type shooter goes nuts.
So how to respond? I'll give a few possible answers, and my take on them:
1) For Heavens sake no, guns only result in violence and more suffering.
2) Nope, I just don't like having them around. I prefer to call the police.
3) None of your damn business. I might, I might not.
4) Yes, but only for defense and I keep it locked up except when under my control.
5) Yes, and I can put a round between your eyes from 50 yards.
And the winner is... #2 - regardless of whether you actually own any. #1 looks too contrived (in my opinion).
Obviously #5 gets you an immediate escort to the slammer, but #3 gets you put on the kook side - which means not only a gun owner, but one of those dangerous types that loves freedom - and believe me, that will be a category (for the database) by the time this is done. #4 still puts you on the wrong side of the issue, as far as the government is concerned. To them, a safe and responsible gun owner is still a dangerous person.
So what about your kids when they're asked? My first recommendation is to not even let them know you have guns until you've trained them well enough to lie convincingly. Others may not agree, and that's fine, but the (government's) plan will be to use the kids to extract information that the parents would not otherwise divulge. Once the kid(s) reach the capability of lying, all they have to say is there are no guns in the home, and that's it. Should you teach your kids to lie? My answer has always been yes - when it is in the interest of protecting your family from government. No different than if they're asked whether they're spanked. A no answer ends the discussion...a yes answer leads to more questions and possibly a case file being opened.
That's it from me - now it's your turn.
Wasn’t this prohibited by language inserted by Harry Reid into the Obamacare bill?
Wasn’t this prohibited by language inserted by Harry Reid into the Obamacare bill?
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That was yesterday , this is today ,, get with the program.
Don’t ask me about guns Doc,I’d hate to have to take my business elsewhere.
Plead the 5th
“Wasn’t this prohibited by language inserted by Harry Reid into the Obamacare bill?”
Supposedly...but I assume they found some workaround (or, more likely, created one).
P 766 of 906 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any
information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made
by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used
to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in
a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under
any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance
with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance
upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.’’.
(f) Section 2718 of the Public Health Service Act, as added
by section 1001(5), is amended to read as follows:
in other words your “privacy” and any doctor-patient confidentiality that was left is now totally gone.
“Don’t ask me about guns Doc,I’d hate to have to take my business elsewhere.”
Bad answer...the doctors sees that as #3, and sends it in.
Oh no, Doctor! I agree with Miss America. Dont fight violence with violence. Would you happen to have her number?
“in other words your “privacy” and any doctor-patient confidentiality that was left is now totally gone.”
Yes, it was going that direction anyway. I once had an eye doctor ask me if I was having trouble driving. I said “no way, I’m fine” I wasn’t fine (could still drive, but not fine), but I figured he would have to pull my driver license if I said yes. And don’t even get me started about what happens when you bring an injured kid into any contact with the medical community...unless you have a lot of witnesses to prove that you were not the cause of the injury.
If everbody used that answer it would put an end to this crap and quickly.
If the Doctor insisted,request all copies of your medical records and walk.
My kids pediatrician is a Jewish woman ,, she seems pretty reasonable ,, she might even be a “never again” type that actually remembers history... even at that I’ll have the kids go with response #2 if asked.
very true
“No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to—”
It looks like the feds have the wording they need. Sure, you don’t HAVE to answer the question, but if you don’t, then you just did answer - as far as they’re concerned. You would have just said: “Yes, I have guns, and yes, I have an attitude”. That’s what they’re looking for.
Now, if it had been written to prevent doctors from asking any questions on the subject, then we would have been covered. Looks like the NRA fell for that ruse.
“My kids pediatrician is a Jewish woman ,, she seems pretty reasonable ,, she might even be a “never again” type that actually remembers history... even at that I’ll have the kids go with response #2 if asked.”
Yea, because once you say yes, it sets up a fishing expedition, where they start asking more questions (what types, how are they stored, etc.), maybe send you mail on gun safety, maybe even have someone contact you. I’m not sure if that will happen, but it could.
[[My first recommendation is to not even let them know you have guns until you’ve trained them well enough to lie convincingly]]
Don’t train them to lie- lying is a sin- train them to look the doctor i nthe eye and say “That’s none of your damn business”
lie, lie, lie
[[(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any
information relating to—]]
Oh- they don’t require you to tell them- they sneak it on you when you least expect it and trick peopel into ‘voluntarily givign htem the answer’ liek htey did in my case unfortunately- They also ask right before that “Have you ever thoihgt about hurtuing yourself or anyone else?” And had I been more mentally alert, I mgith have said “Well, now that you mention it, Not until just now- Are you insured?”
I learned a long time ago not to tell them anything more than what ails me..I'd recommend others do the same and teach their kids to keep their mouth shut.
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