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Our View: Zion curtains are weird
Ogden Standard Examiner ^ | 3/6/2013 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 03/06/2013 7:09:27 AM PST by Utah Binger

We completely agree with Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, who calls Zion Curtains, partitions that prevent patrons from viewing bartenders and open liquor bottles at restaurants, “weird.” They are very weird, and their presence in eateries makes Utah look silly.

Rep. Ryan Wilcox, R-Ogden, has sponsored House Bill 228, which would tear down the goofy partitions. We hope it gets through both bodies of the Utah Legislature. Its chances of success are better in the House than the Senate, though.

The chief reason for the bill’s lower chance of Senate approval is the presence of Utah County’s Sen. John Valentine, R-Orem. Valentine shares, along with too many other legislators, the belief that having youth view the mixing of drinks in a restaurant would make them want to start drinking,

In our opinion, Valentine and others are more motivated toward this view by their personal religious beliefs on drinking. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, of which many legislators belong, advocates that its members not drink alcoholic beverages.

It’s inappropriate for a personal religious belief to be the tool that violates the rights of others to conduct business in a fair, responsible manner. The Zion Curtains are a hindrance to common-sense business practices. They insult restaurant employees by making their jobs more difficult, and they insult customers by making a simple request for a drink with dinner look like something forbidden and shameful. Also, the law is contradictory. Restaurants that opened before 2010 are not subject to the current Zion Curtain foolishness.

A very tiny percentage of alcohol is sold at restaurants; the vast majority is bought at state liquor stores. There is no serious evidence that a teenager who sees a drink being made at a restaurant will start drinking as a result. The Zion Curtain law needs to end. Wilcox’s bill, HB 228, is the right mix to do it.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Local News; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: booze; curtain; inman; utah; zion; zioncurtain; zioncurtains
Welcome to Utah: Home of Fisher Beer


1 posted on 03/06/2013 7:09:38 AM PST by Utah Binger
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To: Elsie; colorcountry; glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt

Binger Ping


2 posted on 03/06/2013 7:11:59 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: Utah Binger

How about Baptist bars in Texas homes.


3 posted on 03/06/2013 7:13:36 AM PST by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: Utah Binger
Goofy curtains aren't near as weird as what we do in Pennsylvania: state controlled liquor stores with unionized employees who push "house brands" rather than what is available in the other 49 states.

Better hope Mayor Bloomberg doesn't see this thread and get more ideas for NYC.

4 posted on 03/06/2013 7:17:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Utah Binger

Ms. Lockhart needs sensitivity training so that she will be more toleeant of the cultural practices of others.


5 posted on 03/06/2013 7:43:35 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Vigilanteman

6 posted on 03/06/2013 7:46:12 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

LOL! SW Pennsylvania was ground zero for the Whiskey Rebellion. Out in these parts, you get better quality, better pricing and more convenience just driving to one of many backyard stills in our back country.


7 posted on 03/06/2013 7:53:10 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

It’s far easier to get a six-pack of beer in Utah than in PA as well.


8 posted on 03/06/2013 8:47:19 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Utah Binger

I’ve stated my opinions regarding Mormonism as a religious belief, I don’t have much use for it. However, if the Mormon majority in Utah want to require restaurants to hang curtains to conceal a bar it’s their prerogative and I support that. If they didn’t want liquor sales at all, I’d support that too.


9 posted on 03/06/2013 8:57:26 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Utah Binger
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, of which many legislators belong, advocates that its members not drink alcoholic beverages.

Why not?

Is there an LDS SCRIPTURAL prohibition of it?

10 posted on 03/06/2013 9:57:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry
What if that majority doe not want other folks who believe in the Book of MORMON to NOT be called MORMONs.

Would you support that as well?

11 posted on 03/06/2013 9:59:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Why not? Makes amateurs get silly and seek and drink until they fall down. They don’t teach classes on how to properly consume adult beverages down at BYU.

Now old Brig knew proper form.


12 posted on 03/06/2013 11:55:14 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: RegulatorCountry

This was not posted to make any point about Mormonism.

It was posted to show a certain humor about how weak the argument is regarding what the children see and how it can affect them.

I also liked the cartoon.


13 posted on 03/06/2013 12:13:54 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: Utah Binger
This was not posted to make any point about Mormonism.

But; since we are already here....


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



14 posted on 03/06/2013 2:15:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger
It was posted to show a certain humor about how weak the argument is regarding what the children see and how it can affect them.

Yes; a society MUST make all kinds of RULES to protect their young and naive offspring from adverse influences...



The Rules

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  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
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  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
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  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
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  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
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  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
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  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
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  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
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  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
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  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
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  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
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  102. Do not give any information about the area.
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  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
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  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
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  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
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  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
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  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
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  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
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  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
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  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
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  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
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  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

15 posted on 03/06/2013 2:17:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Utah Binger; Pete-R-Bilt; colorcountry

The state of Utah is in the liquor business. The Mo’s never overlook a quick buck or monopoly!


16 posted on 03/06/2013 9:31:27 PM PST by glock rocks (No, the game never ends, when your whole world depends, on the turn of a friendy card.)
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To: glock rocks

Boy that’s for sure.


17 posted on 03/07/2013 4:11:32 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: glock rocks

No! The Mo’s? They wouldn’t do a thing like THAT! :D


18 posted on 03/07/2013 5:40:38 AM PST by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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