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Monsanto Protection Act? Separating the facts from the fury
GLP ^ | 4-1-2013 | Jon Entine

Posted on 04/03/2013 8:47:43 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

The past week has seen a tsunami of stories about the so-called “Monsanto Protection Act,” more accurately known as Section 735 of HR 933. It’s a tiny provision attached to a massive agricultural spending bill signed into law by President Obama last week.

According to detractors, Section 735 is the “most dangerous food act ever” and a “terrifying piece of policy.” Why? Because, among other claims, it purportedly allows biotech companies to sell seeds that can cause serious consumer health problems. Here is how Gawker frames it:

"Section 735 effectively shields large biotech companies, like Monsanto, from the federal courts in case something is found to be harmful in their genetically-modified seeds. Because of Section 735, federal courts would be powerless to stop Monsanto from selling their product"

Just as shocking, activists claim, the provision was secretly written by Monsanto, stealthily inserted into the bill in the dead of night by its Congressional backroom lackeys and then placed on the desk of President Barack Obama, who is so in hock to biotech special interests that he sold out the public and signed the bill, rider intact, therefore undermining American democracy. No kidding. That’s the way even mainstream bloggers and news outlets discuss this legislation. “Monsanto teams up with Congress to shred the Constitution,” shrieked one Huffington Post headline. Hundreds of thousands of angry anti-GMO protestors have signed online petitions expressing their outrage.

Let’s separate the facts from the fury.

(Be sure to read the rest from the original article)

(Excerpt) Read more at geneticliteracyproject.org ...


TOPICS: Agriculture; Science
KEYWORDS: 113th; bho44; billgates; corruption; fascism; foodsupply; gmo; inbedfda; infertility; monsanto
I found "Genetic Literacy Project" and their contributors in the past had been offering sound analyses on GMO issues.

Let's have a more rational discussion on Section 735 of HR 933.

1 posted on 04/03/2013 8:47:43 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot
A cousin told me about monsanto pollen blowing into adjacent fields and monsanto claimed the adjacent field was monsanto’s and sued the adjacent farmer. He lost the farm because of monsanto patents.
2 posted on 04/03/2013 9:06:30 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion
I knew of Monsanto “threatened” to sue for their proprietary intellectual property in the past, but didn't know they actually sued. They lost a HUGE PR battle back then.

Disclaimer: I never worked for Monsanto, and this is not a defense for Monsanto per se.

3 posted on 04/03/2013 9:14:36 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
"Let's have a more rational discussion on Section 735 of HR 933.'

The problem is the progressive one world agenda. Those who control the food supply control the people. Various laws and regulation regarding food production may have individual merit, but collectively they add up to statist/corporate control of the food chain and thus the individual. Comply and bow down or you and your family do not eat!

4 posted on 04/03/2013 9:14:52 AM PDT by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Monsanto, DuPont strike $1.75 billion licensing deal, end lawsuits
By Carey Gillam Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:40pm EDT

DuPont Co will pay Monsanto Co at least $1.75 billion in a new licensing deal and both companies have agreed to dissolve their bitter legal battles over rights to technology for genetically modified seeds, the world's top seed companies said on Tuesday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-monsanto-dupont-gmo-idUSBRE92P0IK20130326

"Better Things for Better Living...Through Chemistry."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Living_Through_Chemistry

5 posted on 04/03/2013 9:17:57 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Corn and soy bean growers have major problems with monsanto.
6 posted on 04/03/2013 9:25:29 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

http://www.percyschmeiser.com/conflict.htm

Is this the case? Screw Monsanto. Their actions say everything.


7 posted on 04/03/2013 9:32:45 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: Sir Napsalot

Just goes to show, some megapowers own both parties. Let’s not forget who got aspartame legalized in the US on Monsanto’s behalf.


8 posted on 04/03/2013 9:36:28 AM PDT by RobO1125 (Conservatives have a diversity of ideas, not simply colors)
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To: buckalfa
You are right.

Keep addressing ‘public safety’ is not going to satisfy the Greens, the Vegans, the Occupy, the One Worlders, etc etc., the "Anti's".

9 posted on 04/03/2013 9:42:38 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: drunknsage

Is this the case? Screw Monsanto. Their actions say everything.

I had not heard about that one. I expect there are more.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 9:53:42 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: haffast

DD is now called “Miracles of Science” !!!

And they are not out to be funny. Trust me, these guys don’t have a single humorous bone in them.


11 posted on 04/03/2013 9:54:44 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: RobO1125

And just what do you have against aspartame?

Check out both TRUTH OR FICTION, and SNOPES.


12 posted on 04/03/2013 10:00:03 AM PDT by Islander2
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To: mountainlion
He lost the farm because of monsanto patents.

If he truly lost the farm to Monsanto, then it happened because he was intentionally stealing Monsanto technology.

13 posted on 04/03/2013 10:09:12 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Crap! I'm not evolving fast enough to keep up. Thanks for the update.

14 posted on 04/03/2013 10:13:00 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: mountainlion
Corn and soy bean growers have major problems with monsanto.

Uh huh. Is that why they continue purchasing Monsanto produced corn and soy seeds? I guess those increased yields that require less fertilizer, less tillage, less water, less herbicides and pesticides, and less soil erosion are really pissing farmers off.

15 posted on 04/03/2013 10:14:26 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Some interesting background, but still no reason to give the Monsantos of the world (are they even plural?) special protection. Instead, better for farmers to learn to be more cautious in going the untested route—and to let those who take the risk, sometimes suffer the failure.

The rest of the world lives by court fiat, no reason to exempt some from it.


16 posted on 04/03/2013 10:14:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RobO1125
Let’s not forget who got aspartame legalized in the US on Monsanto’s behalf.

Do you even know what aspartame is?

Monsanto is a "megapower?" Occupy Monsanto?

17 posted on 04/03/2013 10:17:34 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Islander2

I would think a Freeper would know better than to settle on Snopes. Here’s some more aspartame info:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/02/18/aspartame-toxic-effects.aspx


18 posted on 04/03/2013 10:25:45 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Mase

And do you know what aspartame is?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/02/18/aspartame-toxic-effects.aspx


19 posted on 04/03/2013 10:26:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: drunknsage

I truly believe Monsanto is evil.


20 posted on 04/03/2013 10:27:45 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
You link me to an article by Mercola as your defense that aspartame is dangerous? Really?

Apparently, you know as little about Mercola as you do about aspartame and Monsanto. Are you currently occupying Monsanto?

21 posted on 04/03/2013 10:40:43 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Should Monsanto own a crop just because their pollen blew into the field? Lots of people are cautious of the Frankenstein seed.


22 posted on 04/03/2013 10:54:03 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Mase

Monsanto is one company that probably should be occupied, but no, I’m not doing the job.

And you doubt the article that clearly states that aspartame has the highest rate of complaints to the FDA and why the bureaucrat’s explanation on Snopes is disinformation?

Are you a Monsanto lackey?


23 posted on 04/03/2013 10:56:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mountainlion
The trouble with the feral pollen story is that it's not possible. While pollen from one soybean plant can theoretically cross pollinate another (and it really is only theoretical because soybeans are almost entirely self pollinating) all of the bean plants in one field would never, ever, be pollinated by plants in a different field...and virtually all of the plants would have to be so pollinated for there to be any benefit.

The story was originally made up by a farmer who purchased soybeans he knew to have been “Round-Up Ready” from the local elevator and planted them, thinking he had avoided paying the license fee.

24 posted on 04/03/2013 11:13:16 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Sir Napsalot

The larger issue with Monsanto is what their genetically modified seeds, specifically in corn, are doing to worldwide bee populations.

From what I’ve read, their corn seeds, which produce a built-in insecticide, are known to cause CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder), which causes entire colonies of bees to either die or vanish. Populations are down by nearly 50 percent in some parts of the world.

I’m not a huge environmentalist, but I’ve read that four bites out of every six bites of food you put in your mouth were pollenated by bees at some point in the food cycle.

And we also keep bees. Full disclosure.


25 posted on 04/03/2013 11:23:50 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Genetically modified seeds don’t contain a herbicide. They have a genetic trait added, or removed, which renders a particular type of herbicide less effective on them.


26 posted on 04/03/2013 11:30:06 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
There is also a story about a pig farmer that had to kill maybe somewhere around 1000 pigs that EPA? said were Feral. Obama has generated so much distrust against government that these stories sure seem true and are not easily proved/disproved by an average person on the Internet. GM corn has been said to be traced to tacos and food in Mexico even. Corn can cross pollinate can't it. There was a story about “scientists” had detected ground bacteria in the air at 10,000 feet so pollen could theoretically travel around the world.
27 posted on 04/03/2013 11:32:00 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Monsanto is one company that probably should be occupied, but no, I’m not doing the job.

Ah, letting the other anti-capitalists express your ideology for you, huh?

And you doubt the article that clearly states that aspartame has the highest rate of complaints to the FDA and why the bureaucrat’s explanation on Snopes is disinformation?

If you had any clue as to what aspartame is made from, you'd realize what a ridiculous statement that is. You'd also understand why Mercola is well known as an internet charlatan. But you don't have a a any idea what it is you're afraid of, only that you read it on the internet so it must be true.

Are you a Monsanto lackey?

No, I'm a capitalist who likes it when American companies are the best in their industry. I'm also a guy who happens to understand enough about food science to know that your fear of Monsanto is based on ignorance and emotion. That fact makes you a potential lackey for anyone, or any organization, with an agenda. Keep up the good work. The world needs Luddites too.

28 posted on 04/03/2013 11:36:51 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: mountainlion
Corn can cross pollinate, but natural cross pollination is too random to produce the result that Monsanto detractors claim.

Figure (solely for the sake of this calculation, so make up any odds you want) the odds of pollen from the tassels in one field landing on the silk of a corn plant in another field.

There is one silk per kernel, about 150,000 kernels per pound of corn, 56 pounds of corn per acre, the average corn yield in the US is something in the range of 150 bushels per acre and in my part of the country the average corn field is maybe 80 acres.

It is not possible for all of the kernels in one field to have been pollinated by pollen from the tassels in a neighboring or more distant field.

When seed corn is raised, the tassels of the plants sought to be pollinated are removed (or otherwise made not to produce pollen) and the pollen from the variety the corn is to be crossed with is artificially dusted onto the silk. It's a labor intensive, expensive proposition.

29 posted on 04/03/2013 12:05:37 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Sir Napsalot
farmers are growing world record amounts of rice – with no GM, and no herbicide.

In a village in India's poorest state, Bihar, farmers are growing world record amounts of rice – with no GM, and no herbicide. Is this one solution to world food shortages?

Using absolutely no machines, a farmer has produced 22.4 tons of rice on a single hectare, about 2½ acres, of land.

30 posted on 04/03/2013 12:35:25 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
Umm, the farmer claimed that the yield would now give him enough food to feed his family. Either he has a really big family or the per hectare yield was extrapolated. 365 days a year of back breaking work on 2 1/2 acres by an entire family yields enough food so that they don't starve to death? And there's nothing wrong with organic farming, so long as living among piles of drying excrement and dumping prodigious amounts of calcium silicate slag on the ground, as this family does is considered organic.

The real fact is that Indian rice yields are about 1/2 the world average, while US rice yields are almost twice the world average. Oh, and my family has enough to eat.

31 posted on 04/03/2013 1:22:46 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
More from article..UK link

… – grown an astonishing 22.4 tonnes of rice on one hectare of land. This was a world record and with rice the staple food of more than half the world's population of seven billion, big news.

32 posted on 04/03/2013 1:30:49 PM PDT by opentalk
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http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2013-02-17/organic-rice-farmers-output-puts-conventional-ag-gm-to-shame/

... Sumant Kumar has outproduced—by a full two tons!—the Chinese agricultural scientist called the “father of rice”, who’d previously held the record for rice output.. It puts to shame anything produced by World Bank funded scientists of the International Rice Research Institute in the Philippines. No genetically modified crops, for all their claims, have come close.


33 posted on 04/03/2013 1:36:13 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Swell. I personally farm about 100 times as much land as this guy’s whole family; have time for a job in town, don’t have to stack manure to dry on my window sills, was able to put my kids through parochial schools, through college and post-graduate schools. But if this guy is your model, go for it.


34 posted on 04/03/2013 1:44:42 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: opentalk
No genetically modified crops, for all their claims, have come close.

Do you think the rice they are using in this project hasn't been genetically modified in some way over time? Are you sure the rice they're using isn't a relative of one of the many high yield rice strains Norman Borlaug developed back in the 60s'?

You do realize that the work Borlaug did to create rice that was more disease resistant, and that produced greater yields, was genetically modified, right?

35 posted on 04/03/2013 1:50:59 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: greeneyes; Black Agnes; Kartographer

Of interest to gardeners & preppers?


36 posted on 04/03/2013 3:06:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Mr. Lucky; Colonel_Flagg
Genetically modified seeds don’t contain a herbicide. They have a genetic trait added, or removed, which renders a particular type of herbicide less effective on them.

That's true, but is a non sequitur because Colonel_Flagg was addressing the genetically engineered introduction of insecticidal factors into some crops.

37 posted on 04/03/2013 3:14:30 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

They don’t contain an insecticide either. Although my point would be less confusing were I to learn to read a little better.


38 posted on 04/03/2013 3:35:57 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: 9YearLurker

I went to your source to see what they had to say about aspartame. They quote the clown Doctor of Alchemy who has the website you referred to. Surprise!!!
It turns out to be one of those companies selling quack medicine. Of course quacks don’t want the public to buy thoroughly tested and scientifically researched products, they want to sell their own snake oil.
I don’t rely 100% on Snopes (politically left) that is why I also included Truth or Fiction.com.


39 posted on 04/03/2013 4:47:12 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: Colonel_Flagg
The insecticide in Bt corn is specifically targeted to one of the insects that eat corn (either roots or green material).

I found two articles that have relevancy to honey bees (and CCD esp)

Honey Bees: Bt corn Not Likely the Causal Agent for Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD)

and more recently

Genetically Engineered Crops in the Real World – Bt Corn, Insecticide Use, and Honey Bees

At least according to both articles, the expressed insecticidal toxin in Bt corns is not the cause. The 2nd article blamed the seed treatment.

40 posted on 04/04/2013 4:42:55 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Excellent article. The “greens” are just communists looking to disrupt the economy in any way possible. Judges are ill suited to judging these cases and must default to technical violations, not scientific ones.

Every food we eat is genetically modified and it’s proven that “organic” is often the least safe food out there. The number of willfully ignorant conservatives is scary.


41 posted on 04/07/2013 4:43:34 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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