Skip to comments.If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on 04/07/2013 11:27:25 AM PDT by B4Ranch
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I dont think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the democracy word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. Its not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesnt matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
Our founders did not want a democracy for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could! protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an immoral majority developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Lets look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population ca! n become corrupt.
I think in 2013 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
Next Id like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American peoples liberty teeth and keystone under independence From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrence! s, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
The Constitution shall never be construed .to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because We the People will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our ! representatives try to push gun bans. I dont care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution.
Re-read Jeffersons quote. He talks about a last resort. I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority cannot take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got! it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their elected servants say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you dont want! to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
I am not the subversive here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2013 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take **** off of no one, especially our own ! government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that We the People will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.
Are you willing to die to take my guns?
This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly. I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists. God help us all if it ever does happen.
Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan, grew up in the Indiana, Illinois, and Texas, and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan. His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name "D.H. Garrison, Jr."
Um, guns? I have a caulking gun. No? Can’t help you then. Sorry. Adios muchachas.
YES! YES! YES!
The choice has already been made, and by many more than just myself...
Former FR member ROTB would argue you have a responsibility NOT to fight. Unfortunately for ROTB, he/she got themselves banned.
From Rudyard Kipling, a year after the end of The Great War:
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
Americans went to war once against a tryannical government set on gun control. I fear it may be necessay to do so again.
The American Revolution against British Gun Control
By David B. Kopel*
Administrative and Regulatory Law News (American Bar Association). Vol. 37, no. 4, Summer 2012. More by Kopel on the right to arms in the Founding Era.
This Article reviews the British gun control program that precipitated the American Revolution: the 1774 import ban on firearms and gunpowder; the 1774-75 confiscations of firearms and gunpowder; and the use of violence to effectuate the confiscations. It was these events that changed a situation of political tension into a shooting war. Each of these British abuses provides insights into the scope of the modern Second Amendment.
Furious at the December 1773 Boston Tea Party, Parliament in 1774 passed the Coercive Acts. The particular provisions of the Coercive Acts were offensive to Americans, but it was the possibility that the British might deploy the army to enforce them that primed many colonists for armed resistance. The Patriots of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, resolved: That in the event of Great Britain attempting to force unjust laws upon us by the strength of arms, our cause we leave to heaven and our rifles. A South Carolina newspaper essay, reprinted in Virginia, urged that any law that had to be enforced by the military was necessarily illegitimate.
The Royal Governor of Massachusetts, General Thomas Gage, had forbidden town meetings from taking place more than once a year. When he dispatched the Redcoats to break up an illegal town meeting in Salem, 3000 armed Americans appeared in response, and the British retreated. Gages aide John Andrews explained that everyone in the area aged 16 years or older owned a gun and plenty of gunpowder.
Military rule would be difficult to impose on an armed populace. Gage had only 2,000 troops in Boston. There were thousands of armed men in Boston alone, and more in the surrounding area. One response to the problem was to deprive the Americans of gunpowder.
He sums up the situation quite well, except it is more like a duty, in my opinion.
Otherwise I will silently accept my slavery and watch as America is disemboweled and redistibuted to the rest of the world
The part about two Wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch,,,
did He really say That?
There are 50 million gun owners, shouldn’t be hard to get 9,999 to join me.
This is SERIOUS “food for thought”. One day, THE choice may have to be made.
Under the Bill of Rights, two wolves discuss with an ARMED lamb what to have for lunch, and the rights of the minority are protected.
One alone cannot take on the massive federal government.
However, from the patriots of the American Revolution to the Vietcong to the French Resistance, history has given us a blueprint on how to combat a superior force.
Bleed them mercilessly.
When they come for my GUNS if you want a good show, then hide in the weeds and watch the fire works. . . .
Some say yes, some say no ! No matter I like it !
>>If more than 10,000 throw in I’m all over it.
Otherwise I will silently accept my slavery and watch as America is disemboweled and redistibuted to the rest of the world <<
Why not be the first to fight to keep your firearms? Pray that another 10,000 or 10 million will join in with your example of patriotism.
You have a responsibility to target the ‘leadership’ from which the orders come and the infrastructure that support them.
What would Michael Collins do?
>>This is SERIOUS food for thought. One day, THE choice may have to be made.<<
This is a decision that you should already have made. Don’t be scrambling for answers when the time comes. Meditate and pray that you make the proper decision.
"The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No.""There really is nothing left to say to our enemies, is there?
"They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or President Truman. Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay. Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don't tell me they didn't have a choice."
"Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say."
Rorschach from The Watchmen
I took an oath to protect and defend The Constitution, I don’t figure that means just talking about it.
Thanks. Emailed it on.
I imagine in many cities that our local police will be on our side of the fight. Perhaps not in uniform but I do expect they will provide us support. They don't want to become targets either.
Are you willing to die to take my guns?
I think the article's concluding question needs a tweak:
Are you willing to die trying to take my guns?
I’ll second that.
If they come to get your guns, odds are very good you will die.
The important thing is to kill and/or seriously disable enough of them that the survivors pause to reflect afterwards “Is this really worth it?”.
They cannot win a war of attrition.
The Bill of Rights are non-negotiable.
Also from Kipling:
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
because it would be counter productive. An individual rebel would be craftily demonized and labeled Terrorist, so any lonewolf effort would be counterproductive and entirely innefective.
However,a force of about 25 militia armed like the "North Hollywood shooters" could get the attention of congress and the executive branch by completly eliminating them from existence with extreme predjudice, but they would still be dubbed "evil terrorists"
it would take a large well rooted and and well understood organization with clearly defined goals and established doctrine and a system plan to replace the corrupted government to have any positive effect at all. All else would be more destructive than helpful. It could probably only be done at this point with at least one branch of the military fully joining in.
with out a plan to replace the corrupted government it would only establish chaos to be filled by more tyranny.
signing petitions, joining impotent organizations and bending the deaf ears of politicians is entirely futile. The only prescription that will purge this virus is extreme violence
That's gotta' be up near 300,000,000.
Used to ride share with another fellow to and from highschool. He was here because both his parents had been members of the Hungarian politboro and then one day they decided they didn't want Russians hanging around.
If you're old enough you remember the films about Hungarian patriots taking out tanks with molotov cocktails ~ gasoline in a bottle with a rag for a wick.
Keep your Bic lighters handy.
Oh, and anything else you can get your hands on. Might jot down the home addresses of the cops as you encounter them for whatever reason ~ they don't always 'go over to the people' as fast as we would like.
Agent provocateur thread...
And it has been difficult lately to get ammo. There are obviously more reasons than just government buying up hundreds of millions of rounds, but it is funny that legislatively bullet taxes, ammo taxes, ammo licenses, ammo bans, classifying ammo as explosives, etc. have all been talked about or attempted by liberals in government.
You can bet your farm that if they come for your guns they won’t start on the south side of Chicago where it seems a large portion of killing is taking place.
Don’t comply. Avoid the fight if I can. If a family member is harmed....well...perps have to sleep sometime.
“except it is more like a duty, in my opinion.”
The founders agree with you.
From the Declaration of Independence... “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
Duty is a LARGE word.
If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. Are you prepared?
We need a leader. As yet, no one has stepped forward.
We will know soon enough by activities in New York, New Jersey, Colorado, CT, etc.
If state officials start having “accidents” we’ll know there are Patriots in those states.
And if Patriots in other states are called upon to help... can we do less?
don’t open the door. tell them get a warrant. ask them what throguh the glass and go out the back to meet them in the front. train your kids not to open the dooor
The right to use violence in self defense and to overthrow a tyrannical government are perfect rights.Whether or not to actually do it is a matter of rational self interest and true interests. If it is in one’s or in the people’s self interest and true interest, then it is a duty.
You kill a snake by cutting off its head !
That’s the attitude! The fools live here too, While they are running around in their little “tactical” groups, things can happen to their homes, families, personal possessions.They can be lured to vacant structures where guns “have been seen”, on arriving and entering, find out that the structure has been made into an IED.Patriots could have the “confiscators” shooting at each other in a few days..
Plugs Biden said shoot em through the door with a shotgun!