Honestly, I have no idea where they draw the line of what is a gun show, what isn't a gun show, what sales require paperwork, which don't etc.
Any FFL has to follow the law about background checks wherever he sells a gun.
And federal law prohibits buying a gun out of state.
You can’t purchase from a licensed dealer and leave with the gun if you’re from out state, and a DC resident would be considered out state. You could arrange to have the weapon shipped to a licensed dealer in your state and pick it up from him, but you would undergo a background check when you did. You could purchase a gun from a regular citizen wandering around the gun show(not a dealer). There are individuals that go to gunshows to sell their personal guns.
1. 90%+ of gunshow sales are by an FFL.
2. The ones that are private sales are “private sales” and the sale has nothing to do with being at a gunshow. It could be at a home or parking lot anywhere. The same as if I sell my brother a gun.
3. Most private firearms that you see at gunshows are long-guns. Trying to even find seven private pistols to purchase at a gunshow would be near impossible.
4. Laws concerning state line violations still apply to private sales.
That said, ATF agents love to hang out at gunshows. If someone was walking around buying that many private sale firearms, the ATF would be taking pictures and questioning them.
5. So how would the ATF enforce a background requirement on private sales, if they can’t enforce the stateline-transfer laws now on the books? Without 100% registration there is no way to do this. e.g. you and I walk to your car and exchange money for gun, ATF shows up and charges us. How do they prove that I didn’t arrive with the gun? They must prove that it was your gun. How can they do that without registration? They can’t.
6. It is all about registration and confiscation. The inability to enforce the new requirements is the next step to seeking total registration.
If they are Democrats, it would be a waste of time. It might also serve their goals in that they could say "I very recently witnessed purchases without background checks...blah blah blah...
The point is that Beckel's information is wrong and a lie, all the Democrats lie. There is no gun show in this country where you can go buy one, four, or seven weapons from a licensed FFL dealer at the show without having to fill out a Form 4473 and undergo a NICS check, unless you are in a state for a CCW negates the NICS check requirement like my state, Georgia. They lie because it is still legal in most locals for a person to sell a weapon to another person (private sale) at a gunshow - time, place and location does not matter. It is a great big fatassed lie they tell every time they can.
Yes, you have to do all the paperwork and wait a little while for your purchase from a FFL holder...if you purchase it inside the show. You can hang out in the parking lot and buy whatever you want, from whoever you want, with no paperwork.
Yes, you are correct. The form 4473 is required to buy from a dealer at a gun show, just like at a gun shop. The so-called gun show loophole is a myth. Private individuals at gun shows can sell weapons to other individuals, just like they could in the parking lot or a private home. These individuals often walk the aisles with a sign on their backpack or in the barrel of a long gun. The loop show language is a deliberate misstatement, as is the statement that anyone can buy a gun over the internet without a background check.
An FFL is an FFL no matter where they conduct business.
Obama and the Left lie through their teeth about a "gun show loophole" which merely refers to some gun shows allowing a person (non-FFL) to sell their private possession at the show.
Some gun shows in some states do not allow private sales at the show.
Bill “I never met a Tyrant I didn’t like” O’Reilly is a card-carrying Obamanation Journalist.
Billy OR has used every excuse that he can spin to enable Tyrant B. Hussein Obama to continue to bypass Congress and destroy the US Constitution.
Our sorry Liberal Agenda Media, including Billy OR, has proven to be a willing ally to Commie Obama by publishing gun ownership information in their sorry news outlets.
“Confidential” Gun Show background Check lists are as confidential as the weakest link in the confidentiality chain, be it the sorry ‘Freedom of Information Act,’ or a sorry Media outlet Editor.
The purpose of a confidentially armed America Citizenry is THE BEST DETERRENT to power grabs by Tyrants such as the current wannabe Tyrant B. Hussein Obama.
Gun background check lists collected will be used to confiscate our anti-Tyrant guns whenever the present or future Tyrant chooses. Of course that would happen ONLY when it is in “the National Interest.”
We need to stay focused!
DO NOT GET DISTRACTED!
Commie Obama has just begun to fight us!
With Communist-Style Communal Obamacare, B. Hussein already has one-sixth of the US Economy under his Communist heel.
Control of the US House in the 2014 National Election will clear the way for Commie Obama to take over the other five-sixth of the US Economy.
Most of the news from the Obamanation Administration centers around topics that are designed to be just another Obamanation Smokescreen to divert the attention away from Obama managing each new Constitutional Crisis into a Regulation that violates the Constitution.
Never let a Crisis go to waste, is the rule that guides Commie Obama.
Examples of these Obamanation distractions are most of the social issues that get attention by the Liberal Agenda Media.
Our sorry Congressional RINOs have been to stupid to learn this smoke and mirrors distraction game, and run from bargain to bargain or deal to deal, with nary a thought to use REGULAR ORDER, as designed by our Founding Fathers to protect us from Tyrants such as B. Hussein Obama.
If bargains and deals do not work then Arrogant, Incompetent, Communist Tyrant B. Hussein Obama will try to bypass the REGULAR ORDER of Congress by using Executive Orders, selective enforcement of REGULATIONS, and other Jack-Booted actions and verbal dictates that are consistent with the Communist Cell training that B. Hussein received in his quest to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
As any card-carrying Obamanation Journalist will tell you:
- - - We must support Obama - - - TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - - - into a totally Regulated Communist Obamanation of Debt and Doom.
After all, how else can - - - everyone get a fair shot? - - -
BTW, RECEIVING a fair shot would have been a lot easier if Commie Obama had succeeded in his personal recent attempted bipartisan destruction of the 2nd Amendment to disarm us - - - - .
No. The 'gun show loophole' is a myth. You and another private party can buy from each other without a background check, but not from a dealer. Unlike what is claimed, you don't see too many private sellers at gun shows and most often it is an individual selling to a dealer, not individuals selling to each other. Most private sellers I've seen are also selling collectible firearms.
At any location, in any state, the licensed dealer must perform a background check and have the buyer complete form 4473 and the seller, (the person who verified the identity of the buyer) must also sign the form. This is federal law; it applies in all states.
Only a private individual, some not licensed to sell firearms and not in the business of selling firearms, can legally sell a firearm without completing the background check and form 4473.
Gun shows provide no loopholes. It does give a common place for individuals, not dealers, to come together to buy and sell. Dealers still must obey the same rules that apply to their stores, internet sales or any other firearm transactions.
In PA you can buy a long gun w/o FFL but NOT a handgun.Common to see people(not a dealer) at gun shows with a sign “For Sale” stuck in the barrel while walking around.
It would be very interesting to run Obama’s information through the background check system. I wonder what the computer would say.
The immediate question should have been asked: "Why wasn't the guy busted as a Straw Man?" I believe that if you buy more than three handguns from one FFL, he has to notify the BATF. Long arms, I don't know.
If the Feds were REALLY concerned about Straw purchasers, other than as a talking point, all they'd have to do is bust one or two guys, fine 'em the $250,000 and impose the 10-year prison term FOR EACH FIREARM, widely publicize that fact and watch that problem disappear overnight.
What Beckel described is a straw purchase and is already illega.