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The Oath Keepers on Edward Snowden
Reason.com ^ | 06/14/2013 | Jesse Walker

Posted on 06/14/2013 12:26:58 PM PDT by Rusty0604

Stewart Rhodes, the group's founder, has emailed me a statement about Snowden:

He is an example of what needs to be done by anyone who has knowledge of such gross violations of our rights. We need more to stand up, because this is surely the mere tip of the iceberg of the infrastructure for a police state that is being built over us.

This is about far more than supposed attempts to ferry out al Qaeda operatives. This is part of a growing Stasi and Checka style surveillance police state which tags, tracks, and prepares plans to detain dissidents with the "Main Core" database of millions of Americans who the regime considers a "threat."

And this is also really about the absurd claim that the U.S. is a battlefield and the Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to the President's "surveillance of the battlefield."

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; fascism; maincore; oathkeepers; snowden; stasi; surveillancestate
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To: Sam Gamgee
Yes, I agree, but that aside, he is finding cover with our enemies.

Now wait a minute. Who told you they were an enemy? The politicians?
Islam has killed thousands of Americans in this country alone, but our politicians are demanding we see them as friends.
When was the last time China decapitated one American? When was the last time they bombed a building? When was the last time the Chinese demanded special, protective treatment in the U.S.?
Are you being manipulated for political gain, or are the politicians being honest with you? Could making an enemy of China have anything to do with the politicians desire to take control the Internet? Will they do it "for national security " - to protect us from those murdering blood thirsty............ Asians??

41 posted on 06/14/2013 1:45:43 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: dfwgator

Can’t argue with that, At least we’re still armed, for now.


42 posted on 06/14/2013 1:47:55 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: concerned about politics
Hey don't forget the red Chinese got lots from the Clintons for that campaign cash. And now our debt.... Like I said given the day/issue it is impossible to figure out what is bad and what is good.
43 posted on 06/14/2013 1:51:57 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: concerned about politics

There are other ways of taking down an enemy than decapitation or bombing buildings. Saying that China is not our friend does not mean that the Islamic countries are.


44 posted on 06/14/2013 1:52:16 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: bigheadfred
and i need to get a jump on monopolizing the concession stands

Yeah, but this regime wants us to rise up violently (which is why he's doing everything he can to tee us off). That way, when we rise up, they can come down on us like a tone of bricks. Imagine oboma with the power of martial law!
That's why we march peacefully, because he couldn't stop that. That way he can't get his private army (being trained) to start firing. He only has about three years left to start his war. If we don't start it, he can't win it.

45 posted on 06/14/2013 1:52:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: bigheadfred

You better get started now on applying for the licenses, passing the regulations and environmental studies, getting Obamacare for your employees, etc.


46 posted on 06/14/2013 1:54:50 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

to heck with that i need to try something new something fresh something revolutionary


47 posted on 06/14/2013 1:59:09 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Rusty0604
Saying that China is not our friend does not mean that the Islamic countries are.

I'm not saying they're a friend, but they're not the ones trying to kill us right now, yet our politicians want us to fear the Asians and love the Jihadists.
Never trust what a politician tells you. Almost everything they do has to do with THEIR OWN power and luxury, and we're just pawns in their global game.

In my opinion, the "cyber threats" from China are no where near as bad as what we do to them, and it's just an excuse that will allow the politicians to control the Internet (they want that control soooooo bad!).

48 posted on 06/14/2013 2:01:28 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

yeah huh obama is going to have his marital law and consummate it by totally screwing us


49 posted on 06/14/2013 2:03:08 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: bigheadfred

“Revolutionary” like setting up a stand, cooking some hotdogs and making lemonaide and selling it at market price without gov’t help and intervention?


50 posted on 06/14/2013 2:05:43 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: bigheadfred
yeah huh obama is going to have his marital law and consummate it by totally screwing us

Yeah, literally, if you're male. (Don't know what he'd do to us females.)

51 posted on 06/14/2013 2:05:52 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

I agree with you on that.


52 posted on 06/14/2013 2:06:43 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

sssssshhhhhhh


53 posted on 06/14/2013 2:08:00 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: concerned about politics

i wont say it yes i will you females are where michelle gets her licks in


54 posted on 06/14/2013 2:09:31 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: bigheadfred

that’s disgusting


55 posted on 06/14/2013 2:18:28 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

almost as bad as getting screwed by obama


56 posted on 06/14/2013 2:19:25 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Rusty0604
This is part of a growing Stasi and Checka style surveillance police state which tags, tracks, and prepares plans to detain dissidents with the "Main Core" database of millions of Americans who the regime considers a "threat."

And this is also really about the absurd claim that the U.S. is a battlefield and the Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to the President's "surveillance of the battlefield."

THE Truth of the Matter. BULLSEYE.

57 posted on 06/14/2013 2:21:46 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Jeff Head

“Daily Caller: How searchable is this material? Let’s say I want to use NSA material against the tea party. Could I do that?

Binney: That would be very simple. You just take the key point “tea party,” plug it in the graph, and you get everybody. That smacks of what they’re doing.

I was listening to the testimony of one of the tea party people to Congress, one of the people being abused by the IRS, and she said she was asked, “What is my relationship with this person?” And the IRS agent gave her the name. Well, the question becomes, how did the IRS know the relationship with that person? And one way they’d know that is from this program, for sure.

So the question is, is someone in the White House, in the line of command, using any access to that program to find a tea party initiative or tea party people trying to get tax exempt status so they can pass them along for the IRS to target? That’s a question I think the government needs to answer, and prove that that’s not happening.”

I wonder what the gov’t has planned for this guy? He isn’t hiding to my knowledge, but how long are they going to let him talk?


58 posted on 06/14/2013 2:25:34 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Sam Gamgee
He is a traitor is he is seeking protection from America’s enemy and leaking to the Chinese that we are spying on them.

Still shilling for a Stasi, fascist-style surveillance police state?

Did you even care about or know that tagging, tracking without cause...AND preparing plans to detain dissidents (aka conservatives) with the "Main Core" database of millions of Americans who the regime considers a "threat" is....ILLEGAL? And violates the pesky 4th Amendment? Is theft of our liberty and privacy?

What say you?

59 posted on 06/14/2013 2:27:32 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Sam Gamgee
He is a traitor is he is seeking protection from America’s enemy and leaking to the Chinese that we are spying on them.

First let me say that I am not defending what Snowden did, or the way he did it. That being said, do you really think the Chinese did not know we were spying on them? Even if they couldn't figure it out by themselves, I'm sure they found evidence after they hacked into our government computers as they spied on us...

As far the "traitor" claim, give it a rest. He is most certainly guilty of any number of crimes, but treason is not one of them. Treason has a very specific legal definition, and what he did does not qualify. He did not "make war against the United States"; he never took up arms against the country. And as far as giving "aid and comfort to an enemy", there is no evidence he did that. Publicly revealing the existence of a data collection program is far from providing specific battle plans to an enemy in the field, for example. So let's all cool down the hyperbole a bit.

60 posted on 06/14/2013 2:32:55 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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