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True Defiance: I Challenge You To Survive The Coming Collapse
Alt-Market ^ | 7/3/13 | Brandon Smith

Posted on 07/03/2013 5:01:09 PM PDT by Kartographer

These are the absolute minimum preparations you will need to fight back against the collapse of our nation and our culture.

Store A Six-Month Supply Of Food
Find A Water Source
Buy A Rifle
Buy 1,000 Rounds Of Ammo
Buy Proper Clothing
Sanitation
Grow A Garden
Find Two Neighbors Who Are On Board
Find One Barter Partner
Find One Retreat Location
Bury One Survival Cache
You Should Be No More Than 20 Pounds Beyond Your Ideal Weight


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; preparedness; preppers; secondamendment
"This Fourth of July, I’m not going to talk about what we have lost. At this point, anyone worth a damn already knows what we have lost."

Yes everyone knows and now on the eve of the Celebration of Our Revolution we are about to be remind by Muslims no less that even today a Revolution is need now and again if people are to stay FREE.

1 posted on 07/03/2013 5:01:09 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 07/03/2013 5:01:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

There’s a Great Storm coming you can feel it and the great cities of Europe are on the edges of it now, soon it will consume them.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo and maybe you can even get your picture as you stand there on the national news.

Any one with half a brain can look around and see for themselves what is happening right before their eyes.

So listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

One of the things Selco covers in this article is the fact that many will not accept that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes. Why don’t they realize it? It’s caused by a condition called ‘Normalcy Bias’ a mental state people enter when facing a disaster.

It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

A good article on ‘Normalcy Bias’ is on our own ChocChipCookies Blog The Survival Mom:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become their ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

There is a Great article in my Preparedness Manual on building your on Bug Out Bag titled: A Highly-Mobility 72 Hour Kit-by Ward Dorrity. You can download the whole manual at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, cash (I myself have been putting up change for the past few years both for the metal content and the fact that using change places to make what purchases you can will move you down the the list of possible marks during shtf), tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Again I like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom, where you can get lots of useful information like:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

And More

Also there is Ferfal’s Blog a survivor of Argentina’s first collapse:

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

And there is Selco’s Blog a Bosnian War survivor at:

http://shtfschool.com/

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”


3 posted on 07/03/2013 5:03:26 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

First, have a source of water and a way to make sure it is pure.

Next have several years worth of food, simple medications and vitamins.

Have all the tools you might need.

If you don’t already have a bunch of guns and lots of ammo, you probably can’t be saved.


4 posted on 07/03/2013 5:11:44 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

I need to look into a hand operated water pump for my well. should the SHTF and I loose fuel for my generator, my well wont do me much good. I have six acres with several natural springs but they don’t produce a lot of water. Any advice?


5 posted on 07/03/2013 5:19:57 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Kartographer

Got all the bases covered times 10.

Except for the alternate retreat location. We ARE the retreat location for all our family and very close friends.

Keep it up, Kart. You may be saving some lives with your info. Thanks.


6 posted on 07/03/2013 5:22:16 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: muir_redwoods

What about building a cistern to store water from your springs?


7 posted on 07/03/2013 5:25:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: muir_redwoods

If you have a well you don’t need anything but a tickle, rope and bucket. I can’t imagine a natural spring not producing enough water.

When we had a spring at the farm I lived on for the first few years of my life, it produced more water than we would ever use. I was told we used the spring until Daddy dug a well.


8 posted on 07/03/2013 5:26:22 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: muir_redwoods

You can always use a bucket and a rope, given a few days I’m sure you’d come up with an ingenious way of doing it, like several vessels that rotate up.


9 posted on 07/03/2013 5:27:00 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Kartographer

“These are the absolute minimum preparations you will need to fight back against the collapse of our nation and our culture.”
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Prepping for short term disasters is prudent, but prepping for the collapse of a nation is problematic. You are talking about a civil war.
I have watched a number of the “Prepper” series on Natl. Geo., but find them quite ify when one preps for a specific disaster. If the country falls into civil disorder, you had best be very far away. All those guns and bullets will not save you. You will not wake up one morning and find that the nation has returned to normal.
I did my prepping, starting in 1999, by exploring other countries. I left America for the last time in Jan. 2005.
There are countries in central Europe that are still quite nice, and not affected by the problems in southern Europe.
I am now in the Philippines. While this is a third world country, I feel much safer then if I were back in the USSA.
Add to that, I live on a fraction of what it would take in the US. My wife, child, and myself can do just fine on $1000 per month, or less.
America may recover, but I am skeptical. The takers outnumber the givers, and the reelection of Obozo indicates a nation of brain dead idiots.


10 posted on 07/03/2013 5:29:57 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Kartographer

1. An AM/FM/SW and/or HAM radio might be a good idea as well.
Rechargeable batteries and a small solar panel to keep them running.
2. A helluva good knife.
3. Maps and compass.
3. Your Bible.

Just some ideas...


11 posted on 07/03/2013 5:33:02 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: muir_redwoods

http://ladyapprentice.com/2011/04/how_to_make_a_pvc_water_hand_pump_to_use_when_you_have_no_power


12 posted on 07/03/2013 5:42:26 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: muir_redwoods

In addition, at the website listed above there are simpler pump solutions listed in the right hand column under “categories.”


13 posted on 07/03/2013 5:50:11 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: muir_redwoods

There are some ideas on youtube. Bicycle powered pumps, simple pvc pipes to haul small amounts of water out. Solar setups for providing battery power. A lot depends on how much water you need and how deep you have to go to get water.


14 posted on 07/03/2013 5:52:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

I’m learning to container garden/learn how to grow food plants, and the rest of preparing is very close to done. I think it is, then something else comes along and I do that, then think I’m through and something else comes up and I do that, then etc., etc., etc..


15 posted on 07/03/2013 5:52:45 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Kartographer

Have your house in good repair and be debt free. Have a plan so you could live off what you can put in a back pack, for a few weeks.


16 posted on 07/03/2013 5:55:28 PM PDT by grania
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To: Kartographer; Marcella; carriage_hill

I just wanted to stop in and say thank you for all the great ideas I’ve gotten from your posts...have been gleaning info from them for years...haven’t posted much in many years, but am on a roll these last few days...again, just wanted to thank you.


17 posted on 07/03/2013 6:01:53 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: viaveritasvita

“have been gleaning info from them for years..”

We keep posting for people like you and we all learn from each other at the same time.


18 posted on 07/03/2013 6:15:18 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: viaveritasvita

Lol, I have to laugh st the people saying, if you have a well all you need is a rope and bucket. My well consists of a 4 inch pipe coming out of the ground.


19 posted on 07/03/2013 6:16:52 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Husker24

I have a deep well pipe and an electric pump. That does not change the fact that if power is off there is no way I can think of to get the water out since the pump is way down there.

A well for survival would be a hand dug one just like we had in the late 40s.


20 posted on 07/03/2013 6:24:44 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Husker24

Envision a bucket made from a couple of feet of PVC pipe.


21 posted on 07/03/2013 6:36:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Marcella

Keep up the good work :)


22 posted on 07/03/2013 6:42:21 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: Husker24

I don’t know much about it, but ours is like that, too. It’s quite a ways down, but I actually believe my husband could make it work with a rope and a bucket! I, on the other hand, would be depending on bottled water and probably a bucketful of whatever rain water I could catch. We have discussed getting some sort of hand pump...but right now I’m angling for a nice generator.


23 posted on 07/03/2013 6:46:49 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: muir_redwoods

Can you dig out a pond for the streams to feed? I have a 10 acre spring fed lake behind my house. Should be easy to dip out water by the bucket.


24 posted on 07/03/2013 6:55:49 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: muir_redwoods
"I need to look into a hand operated water pump for my well. should the SHTF and I loose fuel for my generator, my well wont do me much good. I have six acres with several natural springs but they don’t produce a lot of water. Any advice?"

You could mount a PV solar power plant on it. Try the following sets of keywords.

Solar powered well pump.

solar slow pump

Grunfos makes the best pumps for those, although the cheaper DC pumps will work. Grunfos also makes a 3" model for those who might otherwise get a standard pump stuck in a four-inch casing.

You need: an array of PV modules (small, if you get enough sun), a cistern to store water instead of using batteries, a float switch, a controller made for solar well pumps (low cost, last I looked), a pump, cables, switches, etc. I've seen controllers that are dual use for solar-generator and solar-wind. If such a power plant is also connected to grid power, you might need a transfer switch. And of course, NEC code for the appropriate year in your area, permit, inspection, etc.

Or yes, you could install and use a hand pump. But if you do that, hopefully, your well isn't a deep one (whole lotta hand pumpin' needed for deep wells). And I haven't seen any low cost hand pumps.

You might also consider a diesel or propane generator. Diesel fuel last longer than gasoline but can gel withinin four year, give or take. Propane is virtually forever, if you periodically check fittings, etc., so it stores really well. For a generator hookup to a well pump, you need an outdoor switch capable of the current on the system, and an "inlet" (and maybe a transfer switch if also hooked up to the power grid). And of course, the NEC (National Electrical Code) for the appropriate year for your jurisdiction. And a strong post for the switch and inlet.

You could build a wood-fired boiler conforming to ASME code, steam engine and a larger axial-flux alternator, if you have some steel fab skills, machining skills and don't mind reading and tinkering much. The boiler, engine and alternator would need to be capable of handling the start-up current demanded by your well pump. No small project. Such a power plant would be terribly inefficient, but it would be really cool. ;-) Or you could buy all of the components already built for a small fortune. Let me know, if you're crazy, sincere and experienced enough to build/assemble such a system, and I'll PM you a couple of links.

Lowtechs


25 posted on 07/03/2013 7:04:29 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: yarddog; Husker24
See comment #25, if you're interested.


26 posted on 07/03/2013 7:06:37 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Kartographer

27 posted on 07/03/2013 7:07:32 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: muir_redwoods; yarddog; Husker24

One more thing. The controller might need to be a type specific to the kind of pump. Not sure, offhand (memory), but the Grunfos might be a DC-to-AC type, where the Dankoff (DC) isn’t. So find a package or instructions on the Web, and go from that. Dankoff pumps are okay but not as durable as Grunfos.


28 posted on 07/03/2013 7:13:28 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Although I have not worked out the details, my solution for the well is a couple golf cart batteries being charged by a couple solar panels, the batteries kick in when power goes down and will drive the well pump. The usage should be manually controlled under battery operation.


29 posted on 07/03/2013 7:18:11 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: yarddog

But traditional wells nowadays are 4-6 inch pipe. The most straightforward is PVC pipe on a hand pump at the well head.


30 posted on 07/03/2013 7:20:38 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks much for the ping.
The wife and I now live in a constant state of hurricane preparedness. I have researched medieval weapons and learned how to manufacture them. If it comes down to that, it just does.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.


31 posted on 07/03/2013 7:29:51 PM PDT by Texas resident (Watch the other hand.)
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To: JoeProBono

As is dryer lint


32 posted on 07/03/2013 7:31:51 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: muir_redwoods
http://www.simplepump.com/

Check it out, nice product, hand or battery power. With a single wire alternator on a pole with a fan blade attached, the possibilities are endless.

33 posted on 07/03/2013 7:35:32 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: yarddog
All about wells - A Solar submersible and hand pump inline

This guy has a lot of pump videos. He's all about redundancy.

34 posted on 07/03/2013 7:42:00 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Kartographer

“Find Two Neighbors Who Are On Board”

Easy enough. Just wait until SHTF, then when the jerks off themselves those that get it will be left standing. Problem solved.


35 posted on 07/03/2013 7:46:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Rannug

36 posted on 07/03/2013 7:48:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: muir_redwoods

http://www.simplepump.com

It’s very comforting to know that we can pump water
without electricity.

Our preps look pretty good except for the “ideal weight” issue. I think I’ve drifter over the limit.


37 posted on 07/03/2013 8:26:52 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: muir_redwoods

You can rig a small container to a string to lower down to the water inside the well opening. Maybe time consuming if you need a large amount of water but it works.


38 posted on 07/03/2013 8:37:50 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Kartographer

If you can’t defend it, you don’t own it.

A gun and 1000 rounds of ammunition is only part of the self defense story. You must know how to use it, and practice doing so.

The more people in your group who are ready, willing, and ABLE to fight, the more likely you are to survive whatever trouble comes your way.

Ideally, you should have prepared defensive positions, preferably hard to spot, with at least two locations capable of directing fire at every point of approach.

You need at least one long gun for every capable adult in your group for defense. You should probably consider a side arm for each person as well.

In the “old days” (a year ago or so), you could buy an inexpensive .22 and dirt cheap ammo for it and learn to shoot on a reasonable budget.

Now, ammunition is in such short supply that getting the necessary practice is either going to be VERY expensive, or not possible at all.

All in all, if you have not yet gotten a gun and learned how to use it, then by all means do so immediately. In a true SHTF situation, your other preps are moot without it.


39 posted on 07/03/2013 8:59:41 PM PDT by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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To: yarddog

My grandparents had a well in the ‘70’s. We still had to crank the bucket up to get water. It was the best tasting water I’ve ever had.


40 posted on 07/04/2013 5:04:15 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Husker24
Whoops - I should have said "Envision a bucket made of a couple of feet of 2" PVC pipe".
41 posted on 07/04/2013 6:56:21 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kartographer
You Should Be No More Than 20 Pounds Beyond Your Ideal Weight

I'm ready for the next 3 collapses.

42 posted on 07/04/2013 6:59:50 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: grania

a long time ago when Pat Frank wrote the first modern post apocalyptic novel Alas Babylon, he described official martial law as including the suspension of all debts owed -like mortgages.

not sure that would happen today. martial law law would likely come in a 2800 oage document pre-written that no one has read but is rapidly signed into law.


43 posted on 07/04/2013 8:03:40 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag
If the banking system collapsed, I'd suspect that for awhile anyway, cash would rule. I think of New Orleans after Katrina, and those most able to escape had a backpack with necessities, some money, and they walked. Not many knew that was their best chance.

I think if I was in Cleveland and chaos happened, that's what I'd do....walk away.

44 posted on 07/04/2013 8:10:53 AM PDT by grania
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To: P.O.E.

Think of it as part of your six-month supply of food.


45 posted on 07/04/2013 1:59:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I just don’t want the local cannibals to be eyeing me up suspiciously.


46 posted on 07/04/2013 10:25:54 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kartographer
If anyone in the Kentucky area is interested, Lotus Gunworks in Louisville has .45 ACP ammo on sale. A 50-round box of PMC brass-case FMJ is $22.99, limit five boxes per customer.

They also had .223 and .308 ammo on sale, but I don't remember the prices.

47 posted on 07/07/2013 8:29:13 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (I aim to misbehave.)
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