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Confederates' 'slave hunt' in North a military disgrace
Pittsburg Post Gazette ^ | June 30, 2013 12:16 am | Frank Reeves

Posted on 07/03/2013 5:41:43 PM PDT by donmeaker

In June 1863, when Brig. Gen. Albert Jenkins' cavalry, in the vanguard of the Confederate army, galloped into Pennsylvania, its aim wasn't only to spy and steal supplies.

The soldiers were also determined, as historian Margaret Creighton notes, to round up African-Americans, whom the Confederates regarded as "contraband" that should be returned to "rightful" owners.

The "slave hunt," as contemporaries and later historians called this phase of the Confederate invasion, would last as long as Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia remained in Pennsylvania. It ended only when the defeated Southern troops retreated back to Virginia after the Battle of Gettysburg.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar; gettysburg; thecivilwar; whitesupremacy
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To: PistolPaknMama
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

Alexander Stephens, Confederate Vice President, from his first public speech after his inauguration.

The Vice President of the Confederacy said that the whole point of the Confederate government was enforcing the inequality of black people. Was he confused? Do you know more about the Confederacy than he did?

41 posted on 07/04/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: John S Mosby
Entire claim is silly.

But also well documented by Stephen Sears, Noah Andre Trudeau, Ted Alexander, and a host of others. While that was not the purpose of Stuart's ride or the Southern campaign as a whole free blacks were, shall we say, targets of opportunity and an unknown number, possibly in the hundreds, were taken.

42 posted on 07/04/2013 8:44:17 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: John S Mosby
Here is a link to Ted Alexander's article on the subject.
43 posted on 07/04/2013 8:46:41 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Tau Food
It was the Union armies that tagged slaves with the dehumanizing term “contraband.” Most of the slaves that were kidnapped by Union forces were force-marched to the North and were not permitted to return home. Unfortunately, very few could be rescued by Confederate forces.

Dude... you could be a speech writer for Nancy Pulosi with your talent for turning things upside down and inside out at the same time.

44 posted on 07/04/2013 8:46:59 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: 0.E.O

You aren’t a member. Kolob awaits.


45 posted on 07/04/2013 8:50:07 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 0.E.O

You aren’t a member. Kolob awaits.


46 posted on 07/04/2013 8:50:52 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Ditto

For your information as to the source of the term and the destination of the individuals:

The “tag” did come from union army. Contraband was a term commonly used in the United States military to describe the status for escaped slaves or those who affiliated with Union forces. General Benj. “Beast” (we call him Spoons, for the fact he would steal the silver from Southern homes for himself) Butler, educated as an attorney, took a position that, if Virginia considered itself a foreign power to the U.S., he was under no obligation to return slaves; he would hold them as “contraband of war”— he coined the word. Because the practice effectively recognized the seceded states as foreign entities, Lincoln disapproved of it.

Gen. Butler did not pay the escaped slaves wages for work they did and he continued to refer to them as slaves. Union SecNavy Gideon Welles issued a directive to pay $10 a month plus day rations for work. The union army paid less at $8/month for males and 4/month for females. US Congress and union army determined that the US would not return escaped slaves who went to union lines and classified them as contraband. They used many as laborers to support Union efforts and eventually began to pay them wages. This was met often by the northern populace with derision and anger, esp. among poor Irish immigrants (sound familiar— abuse of new immigrants?) who were forced economically and otherwise into army drafted service who saw this as hypocrisy as they did not want to join the army but work for it. Coupled with the fact that, thanks to Congress increasing the draft and allowing wealthy northerners to pay a commutation fee of $300 to hire a substitute and not be drafted— this all had a great deal to do with the NYC draft riots which occurred just after Battle of Gettysburg, the anger directed at blacks in the city. A dirty little secret is that in NYC there was much support for secession— money to be made in the conflict (as always in sovereign conflict and finance).

Prior references in this thread as the term being used by CSA, came from the fact that contrabands were left behind by escaping union army- they dumped them as they ran. This was done commonly, and on union soil, but especially true of the camp followers of “freed” slaves who followed Gen. Sherman’s columns on his sea march in GA. “Rescued” is silly, although many slaves wanted to stay where they were vs. guaranteed poverty and abuse of another kind following their “liberators”.


47 posted on 07/04/2013 9:33:24 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby
You aren’t a member. Kolob awaits.

Hmmmmm. Must be one of those southern thangs that we Yankees just wouldn't understand.

48 posted on 07/04/2013 11:09:00 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

The Gettysburg battles took place around the 4th of July.

I suggest you read the threads you like, and don’t comment on the ones you don’t care for.

Of course, if as you celebrate the United States, one my have much the same feeling as I do when I celebrate the defeat of those who would have destroyed it. Some of those people were embarrassed by the Declaration of Independence statement that “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...” Royalists and slave power lost causers still choke on that.


49 posted on 07/04/2013 8:11:22 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: John S Mosby

If one was respectful of one’s fellow countrymen one wouldn’t make common cause with a foreigner against them.


50 posted on 07/04/2013 8:12:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: John S Mosby

By contrast, RE Lee paid his slaves with whippings as he built the fortifications around Richmond, as he raped his slaves at Arlington so he could sell the female slaves to brothels.

And you complain about the US forces treatment of slaves?


51 posted on 07/04/2013 8:16:04 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: matginzac

It was not the Yanks who won the war, it was the United States.

Over 40 regiments of southern men fought for the United States. Over 100,000 men in the states in insurrection were able to leave their conscripted service, despite all threats that the insurrection ranged against them.

Canada before the war was the preferred destination of escaped slaves, as the documents provided to persons of African Heritage in Canada were considered proof against the federal enforcers of the Fugitive Slave Act. They were not proof against the lawless kidnappers employed by the slave power, but then again, only hot lead did much to slow them.


52 posted on 07/04/2013 9:30:50 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: TLI

And one with a happen ending!


53 posted on 07/04/2013 9:31:41 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: John S Mosby

By contrast, the insurrection had conscription that would not permit one to pay your way out for 300$, but if you owned enough slaves, you were deferred, with no payment at all necessary.

See the insurrection thought that slave owners were a specially good kind of person, and deserved protection from the risk of battle, just for being a slave owner.


54 posted on 07/04/2013 9:36:52 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: TLI

oops, should be “and one with a happy ending.”

Sorry for the typo.


55 posted on 07/04/2013 9:38:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Wellington VII
But the War of Northern Aggression was not about slavery


56 posted on 07/04/2013 9:41:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: donmeaker

Would that be the slave power all us taxpayers are subject too?
Negroes by and large pay no federal income tax


57 posted on 07/04/2013 9:52:04 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000

I figure the NBA players pay a lot more in federal taxes than I do.

Perhaps you are different.


58 posted on 07/04/2013 10:56:25 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

You obviously haven’t heard Shelby Foote on this subject. Someone who has studied the subject far more than you or I, I suspect.
He believed we had to fight this war to be “these united states” because of the division...
And who cares about Canada, blah blah....
You’re sense of appropriate article posting is in question....


59 posted on 07/05/2013 5:23:22 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: donmeaker

Tut, tut-— your quivering Prog panties are showing.

Hey, you an a@@hole buddy of the other two on here, who are just like you? Let’s look—you are one and the same.

Divisa in partes tres. Nunc dimittis servum tuum, Domine, secundum verbum tuum in pace.


60 posted on 07/05/2013 6:29:29 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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