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Aviation Expert Tells KCAL9 ‘Pilot Error’ Might Be Cause Of Deadly Plane Crash
CBSLA.com) ^ | July 6, 2013 11:56 PM

Posted on 07/07/2013 1:20:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin

CAMARILLO (CBSLA.com) — Investigators were immediately dispatched to San Francisco to try to determine what caused the crash of Asiana flight 214.

KCAL9′s Cristy Fajardo spoke to one of the nation’s leading aviation experts for insight into the crash.

Fajardo spoke to pilot and author Barry Schiff and asked his opinion on what might be the likely cause, or causes, of the deadly accident.

To the average person, the runway is now filled with pieces of twisted and burned metal. To Schiff, he sees pieces of a puzzle. He listened to numerous witness accounts and looked at images of the twisted wreckage.

Schiff believes he already has a bead on what went wrong. “In all probability,” he says, “this is a classic case of pilot error.”

He believes the pilot knew the landing wasn’t feeling right.

“The pilot undoubtedly knew and recognized he was too low and he was going too slow and he tried to correct at the last minute but the corrective action he took was too late and too late,” says Schiff.

The pilot was landing in clear skies. The airport’s Instrument Landing System was reportedly down and he also believes this was a factor.

“Pilots have to make what’s called a visual approach, they have to look at the runway and judge their descent and land accordingly. That’s what people were doing all day long today. But these pilots did not do it properly. They landed short.”

On a clear day, a visual approach should not have been a problem especially for an experienced pilot, said Schiff.

Schiff says pilots rely too much on using the instrument landing system.

“Pilots have become accustomed over the years to using the instrument landing system, and pilots are developing what is called ‘Automation Complacency,’” says Schiff, “They aren’t as good in some cases at making manual landings, compared to the automated kind and this might be that case.”

Schiff wants to emphasize that he is making “educated guesses” and says, in time, we will know exactly what actually happened.

The National Transportation Safety Board will comb through all the wreckage and evidence, study the black box recordings before making a final determination as to the cause — and Schiff says that is the way it should be.


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To: advertising guy

Just gut-wrenching. RIP, ‘HotShots’...

< /SALUTE>


41 posted on 07/07/2013 2:55:19 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: BenLurkin
I agree that the chart is very interesting.

This looks it's going to be a lot like the Costa Concordia in Italy -
The captain was sightseeing right before the incident.

42 posted on 07/07/2013 2:57:40 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: tcrlaf

That was just amazing, considering the initial and secondary impacts. I posted on yesterday’ crash thread, several witnesses decribing “cartwheeling’, and now I see it! So lucky it didn’t flip-over and disintegrate/explode completely, on secondary impact.

God was truly on-scene...


43 posted on 07/07/2013 3:02:21 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: tcrlaf
I agree. The sturdy construction of the Boeing 777 fuselage is amazing. The impact video shows the immediate post-impact airframe stresses as the plane rolled violently, with alternate wings up in the air. Then the whole airframe slams down and spins INTACT.

"The fuselage stayed mostly intact, though I have no idea how. That saved HUNDREDS of lives."

44 posted on 07/07/2013 3:05:31 PM PDT by Thud
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To: NonValueAdded

Yeah, she skimmed the water a bit it seems.


45 posted on 07/07/2013 3:08:40 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: tpmintx

That thought occurred to me as well. I imagine the cockpit recorder might answer the question,


46 posted on 07/07/2013 3:09:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
That thought occurred to me as well. I imagine the cockpit recorder might answer the question...

Excuse me if this is a silly question, but didn't the flight crew survive? Has anyone asked them what happened?

47 posted on 07/07/2013 3:12:24 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Senator_Blutarski

They are probably answering lots of questions right now.


48 posted on 07/07/2013 3:18:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
They have a history, folks.


49 posted on 07/07/2013 3:19:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Prole
Is anyone listening to this FAA woman doing the live press conference on FNC?
She is speaking to everyone like they are special needs 1st graders.

I swear, what is it with democrats and talking to us like we are stupid children?


That level is probably appropriate for speaking to the press, (D) or (R)...

50 posted on 07/07/2013 3:27:28 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Travis McGee

Given that pic and the start of the fire that eventually consumed the cabin, there must be rescue stories of how those passengers with spinal injuries were helped off the plane.


51 posted on 07/07/2013 3:31:41 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: BenLurkin

Any airline pilot will tell you, a visual approach is the most difficult. If glideslope was OTS and or PAPI OTS, then the only other issues for NTSB will be CRM (Asian cultural issues) and fatigue management.


52 posted on 07/07/2013 3:32:35 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: NonValueAdded

Has to be. No other explanation. Or passenger heroes who ran back in, or who carried folks out on their first trips.

Many complained that ambulances were 20 minutes in coming. They were begging firefighters to do medical care, they were more ready to fight a massive fire than to rescue 100s of walking injured, much less the burnt and paralyzed trapped inside.

Books will be written, documentaries, etc.


53 posted on 07/07/2013 3:34:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BenLurkin

Maybe the pilot was listening to that FAA spokeswoman and was put into a coma after 50,000 words describing the obvious.

Boy does she love to hear herself speak! I will give her credit she speaks well, clear and enunciates well but good grief, it does not take that many commas in a spoken sentence to describe what she did not know happened.


54 posted on 07/07/2013 3:43:25 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Wurlitzer

Maybe she spends all day trying to get Suri to understand what she is asking her.


55 posted on 07/07/2013 3:44:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
I think that when the pilot realized that he was going to be short, it took 3 seconds for the engines to spool up to full power. And that was 2 seconds to long.
56 posted on 07/07/2013 3:44:26 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Travis McGee

Heroes indeed!

There as a comment that TSA wouldn’t let the ambulances onto the airport property w/o inspection. That needs a follow-up.


57 posted on 07/07/2013 3:45:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Wurlitzer

Sorry. Siri not Suri.


58 posted on 07/07/2013 3:46:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Interesting. One of the passengers reported hearing the engines run up prior to impact. Maybe an accidental disconnect of auto throttles and didn’t realize it until it was too late.


59 posted on 07/07/2013 4:00:04 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Prole

She is talking to the press.


60 posted on 07/07/2013 4:01:18 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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