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Why shotshells are still available (and 22 ammo isn't)

Posted on 07/19/2013 1:36:37 PM PDT by varmintman

For the benefit of anybody who may not have figured this one out yet...


Not that there is any shortage of middle class people who are into shotgun sports... But shotgun sports (trap, skeet, sporting clays) ARE in fact also a major hobby of the rich. Were team Obama/Holder to touch or appear to be playing any sort of games with shotshell ammo, I would assume that a significant number of the fat-cats who fund the dem party, not to mention dem pols themselves, would come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Decent shotguns start around $1000 and good hunting guns like Beretta's Xtrema2 can be had for 1000 - 1600 depending on options, but I don't believe Beretta makes much money on the Xtrema2. Beretta makes its money on guns costing from 3k - 50K and on up and one of the more interesting gunbroker.com searches you can do is to search all double-barrel over/under shotguns, sort on price, highest first, and scroll eight or nine pages past the featured guns to the $50,000 - 200,000 guns for an idea as to what I'm referring to and see if you can picture the owners of any of these things tolerating a government assault on shotshells...


A few samples...


Of course, if you can only have/afford one shotgun, it almost has to be the Xtrema-2:



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; banglist; guns
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22 Ammo, on the other hand, is the common, simple, and previously cheap stuff which EVERYBODY used to put food on the table during hard times. For whatever reason, team Obama doesn't seem to want people to have that any more.
1 posted on 07/19/2013 1:36:37 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Because Joe Biden endorses shotgun use.


2 posted on 07/19/2013 1:41:22 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: varmintman

If it weren’t for target loads, I’d have no loads at all. :-)

Tell you what though, target loads are cheap, readily available, and damn good for what they’re good for.

And defense-wise, they’re not double ought buck, but I sure wouldn’t want my center mass to be on the receiving end of a 12ga target load fired from close range.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 1:43:03 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: varmintman

$1000 and up for a decent shotgun. Hooey, I have a good old 870 I bought for $250 in the day and it is deadly.


4 posted on 07/19/2013 1:47:23 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: varmintman

I see your reasoning, don’t entirely agree with it.

I don’t go to the range and shoot 250 rounds with my shotgun on a routine basis (ouch). OTOH, when I do serious target practice I rarely use fewer than 250 rounds of LR. And I do a lot more of that than shotgun practice.


5 posted on 07/19/2013 1:48:08 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: varmintman

Those shotguns images are just unbelievable!


6 posted on 07/19/2013 1:49:03 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Infection and shock.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 1:49:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: varmintman

saw some in a gunshop last week.

$6.95 for a 50 count box of CCI

he only had 5 boxes.

He had lots of other popular ammo, but his prices were still panic driven


8 posted on 07/19/2013 1:50:58 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Resolute Conservative

My Mossberg 835 was out of a pawnshop for about $395.00 .

The ducks in Colorado have filed a grievance with the UN Human Rights Committee.

Some nonsense about genocide, or something.


9 posted on 07/19/2013 1:52:00 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Last time I had my Browning A5 out, it ate through 200+ rounds.

Practicing my poppers for 3-gun.

Still wish I could afford a Benelli M3. Much better suited for what I’d use it for than my Browning.


10 posted on 07/19/2013 1:52:27 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: varmintman

It’s because of John Kerry. He’s got him a shotgun. And a huntin’ license.


11 posted on 07/19/2013 1:54:29 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: varmintman

Quit sneaking into my mega-mansion and taking pictures of my shotguns!

12 posted on 07/19/2013 1:55:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: Nervous Tick
And defense-wise, they’re not double ought buck, but I sure wouldn’t want my center mass to be on the receiving end of a 12ga target load fired from close range.

Absolutely. At muzzle-flash ranges, a 20 gauge will still blow a rat-size hole in some EBT bunny's chest.

13 posted on 07/19/2013 1:55:03 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: varmintman

What’s the possibility that they are giving them to Syrian Rebels?


14 posted on 07/19/2013 1:55:27 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Resolute Conservative

bought my bakuil double barrel for 200 bucks..

best field gun I own


15 posted on 07/19/2013 1:56:35 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: varmintman

I’m still waiting for the phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.


16 posted on 07/19/2013 1:56:52 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: varmintman

I have a 100 yd bolt-action tack-driver in .22LR. I have a .22 rifle with multiple hi-cap mags. I have a .22LR revolver. I have a very accurate .22LR semi-auto pistol. And I have a pocket-sized .22LR semi-auto that I can carry anywhere.

There is no .22 because it is the most versatile ammunition on the planet and shooting 500 rds of it in one range visit is a good day.


17 posted on 07/19/2013 1:59:02 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Resolute Conservative
The 870 is good enough for many purposes.

By way of comparison, the Xtrema 2:

The Xtrema 2 can serve any purpose there is for a shotgun.

By way of contrast, I've seen people going nuts trying to shoot target shells with Benelli guns.

18 posted on 07/19/2013 1:59:31 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

The domestic production capacity for 22ls ,with factories running 24/7 (which they are),is about 4.5 billion rounds a year.This is enough ammo for all of us,who would shoot, to have fun plinking at a normal pace.If you have 100 people in 50 states each purchasing 5 bricks a day it would equal the total production.The machines that produce this ammo cost millions of dollars each to purchase,tool,set-up and man.This explains the reluctance to add capacity.There are authentic conspiracies out there.This is not one of them.


19 posted on 07/19/2013 2:02:54 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: varmintman

.22 is the assassin’s caliber and obumbles ain’t takin’ NOOOOO chances.


20 posted on 07/19/2013 2:04:56 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Bryanw92
I have a 100 yd bolt-action tack-driver in .22LR. I have a .22 rifle with multiple hi-cap mags. I have a .22LR revolver. I have a very accurate .22LR semi-auto pistol. And I have a pocket-sized .22LR semi-auto that I can carry anywhere.

It looks like the .22LR ammo shortage is all your fault!

21 posted on 07/19/2013 2:07:21 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: tpmintx

>>It looks like the .22LR ammo shortage is all your fault!

I wish it was! I haven’t fired any of them since the panic buying began in November.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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Oh yeah? Care to share where I can get Remington Gun Club target loads in quantity? I’ve had a hell of a time finding any cases of Gun CLubs.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 2:09:09 PM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: stranger and pilgrim; All

The machines that produce .22 ammunition cannot be used to produce centerfire cartridges or shotgun ammunition, or vice versa.

As mentioned, .22 is the most versatile load on the planet, and nearly everyone has a .22.

Demand has outstripped supply. No conspiracy needed. It has not happened for hunting loads for shotguns.... yet.


24 posted on 07/19/2013 2:13:18 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: chris37

I was looking for my granddad’s, now mine, Ithica double 20ga circa 1930 in those pictures but did not see it...oh I know, it is in my safe!


25 posted on 07/19/2013 2:13:44 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: rsobin
100 people in 50 states each purchasing 5 bricks a day

I checked your math - it did not seem realistic. However it works out.

1 Brick (all they will let me buy) x 500 people x 50 states (not 57) x 365 days = 4.5 Billion rounds per year. Wow.

26 posted on 07/19/2013 2:13:59 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Nervous Tick
And defense-wise, they’re not double ought buck, but I sure wouldn’t want my center mass to be on the receiving end of a 12ga target load fired from close range.

Turn those target loads into nearly the equivalent of a slug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU

27 posted on 07/19/2013 2:19:25 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: stranger and pilgrim

>> Remington Gun Club target loads in quantity?

Oh, you’re *picky*.

I buy whatever they have on the shelf at Wally World. I think the last case was Federal.

The coons and armadillos don’t seem to know the difference.


28 posted on 07/19/2013 2:19:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: chris37
Those shotguns images are just unbelievable!

The url:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Over-Under-Shotguns/BI.aspx?Sort=5&PageIndex=13

29 posted on 07/19/2013 2:23:37 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: IYAS9YAS

VERY COOL!!!

I’m going to give that a try!

Thx


30 posted on 07/19/2013 2:24:35 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

You’re more than welcome. Those guys are a hoot, and have several informative videos. I think they even have one using wax to make pellet slugs. They open the end of the shell, dump the pellets in to a pan with wax in it. Then when the wax is liquid, they scoop the wax/pellet mix back into the shell, let it cool and shrink, then top with a little more wax.


31 posted on 07/19/2013 2:27:22 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: varmintman

>> The Xtrema 2 can serve any purpose there is for a shotgun.

What’s its capacity? (2 3/4)

I could look it up but I’m lazy, plus I see you *enjoy* talking about it. :-)


32 posted on 07/19/2013 2:29:13 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

>> Those guys are a hoot, and have several informative videos.

Yeah, very interesting and good filming too, without being “over-produced”.

I think these are the same guys that set out to prove the theoretical “killing power” of .22LR even at extreme ranges (like 400 yards). THAT was an interesting expose.


33 posted on 07/19/2013 2:31:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: varmintman

Bee Yoo Tee Full!!!!


34 posted on 07/19/2013 2:42:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: x1stcav

LOL

Murderer ...


35 posted on 07/19/2013 2:43:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: varmintman
I think that, if you believe the ammo shortage is due to the govt. and not panic-buying by consumers (I don't), it is more likely due to the fact that most shotgun ammo is short-range and the libs just want to have all the long-range rifle advantages.

Question: is the long-range sabot/slug shotgun ammo in short supply?

36 posted on 07/19/2013 2:46:48 PM PDT by expat2
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To: varmintman

Here’s some shotgun porn for you. My Ithaca NID 16 gauge Grade 5E. Less than 30 made.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2947889/posts


37 posted on 07/19/2013 2:50:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I don’t go to the range and shoot 250 rounds with my shotgun on a routine basis (ouch).

The problem is that many folks grab the cheapest shotshells they can find, and they are usually field loads. Find some Winchester Super Target 1 ounce loads at 1180 feet per second. They'll break anything on the clays field and won't beat you up.

Or shoot 20 gauge target loads, I do and am competitive at the A class level in sporting.

38 posted on 07/19/2013 2:53:46 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Dead Corpse

You need the 8 round A5 that FN made for the Rhodesian Police back in the day.


39 posted on 07/19/2013 2:54:56 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: IYAS9YAS

good stuff!!


40 posted on 07/19/2013 2:55:30 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Nervous Tick

Three normally but there is an adaptor for trick shooting which would give you more like eight or ten shots, if memory serves.


41 posted on 07/19/2013 2:56:34 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman; Resolute Conservative

Good choices for both of you. I used to shoot with a guy that shot nothing but 870’s and he could cycle that gun so fast that the spent hull was about a foot from the gun when he fired the second round. He probably put 5-6000 rounds a year through his guns.

The Beretta autos are also great (although the Benelli’s give them a run for the money). My current Sporting 12 is a 391 Urika 2 Trap model.

I love my fancy and collectible guns, but you’re right, you don’t need to pop for $2K or more to get the job done.


42 posted on 07/19/2013 2:59:37 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: stranger and pilgrim

Gun Clubs are a bit thin. My thinking is that they’re being snapped up because they’re as reloadable as AA’s and STS’s but a lot less expensive.


43 posted on 07/19/2013 3:01:32 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Mouton

See #37


44 posted on 07/19/2013 3:02:29 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: rsobin
"The machines that produce this ammo cost millions of dollars each to purchase, tool, set-up and man. This explains the reluctance to add capacity. There are authentic conspiracies out there. This is not one of them."

100% correct! It certainly is refreshing to read a post from someone who actually understands the situation.

Unfortunately, the wannabe gun nuts only believe what they want to believe and reject everything else. Sort of like the man-made global warming loons.

45 posted on 07/19/2013 3:21:14 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: varmintman

Up to a 1000-2000% markup. Much more lucrative than selling it the old way (oversupply—volume manufacturing and selling). Either that, or the people in that part of the market haven’t followed the majority trend toward moral bankruptcy.


46 posted on 07/19/2013 3:26:24 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: varmintman

4.5 billion rounds per year is enough to supply each and every one of 100 million people with over 400 rounds per year.


47 posted on 07/19/2013 3:27:46 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: varmintman
gunbroker.com searches you can do is to search all double-barrel over/under shotguns, sort on price, highest first, and scroll eight or nine pages past the featured guns to the $50,000 - 200,000 guns for an idea as to what I'm referring to and see if you can picture the owners of any of these things tolerating a government assault on shotshells...

Earlier this year I had my eye on an H&R Pardner Protector. 12 gauge, 18", under $200.

Boom! Just the thing.

48 posted on 07/19/2013 3:28:38 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Ride to ruin, and the worldÂ’s ending! Death! Death!. DEATH! FORTH EORLINGAS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a hunting cottage. You’re holding back the real house pics!


49 posted on 07/19/2013 3:30:08 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: familyop

psssst... check your math.


50 posted on 07/19/2013 3:36:19 PM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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