Skip to comments.Why shotshells are still available (and 22 ammo isn't)
Posted on 07/19/2013 1:36:37 PM PDT by varmintman
For the benefit of anybody who may not have figured this one out yet...
Not that there is any shortage of middle class people who are into shotgun sports... But shotgun sports (trap, skeet, sporting clays) ARE in fact also a major hobby of the rich. Were team Obama/Holder to touch or appear to be playing any sort of games with shotshell ammo, I would assume that a significant number of the fat-cats who fund the dem party, not to mention dem pols themselves, would come down on them like a ton of bricks.
Decent shotguns start around $1000 and good hunting guns like Beretta's Xtrema2 can be had for 1000 - 1600 depending on options, but I don't believe Beretta makes much money on the Xtrema2. Beretta makes its money on guns costing from 3k - 50K and on up and one of the more interesting gunbroker.com searches you can do is to search all double-barrel over/under shotguns, sort on price, highest first, and scroll eight or nine pages past the featured guns to the $50,000 - 200,000 guns for an idea as to what I'm referring to and see if you can picture the owners of any of these things tolerating a government assault on shotshells...
A few samples...
Of course, if you can only have/afford one shotgun, it almost has to be the Xtrema-2:
Because Joe Biden endorses shotgun use.
If it weren’t for target loads, I’d have no loads at all. :-)
Tell you what though, target loads are cheap, readily available, and damn good for what they’re good for.
And defense-wise, they’re not double ought buck, but I sure wouldn’t want my center mass to be on the receiving end of a 12ga target load fired from close range.
$1000 and up for a decent shotgun. Hooey, I have a good old 870 I bought for $250 in the day and it is deadly.
I see your reasoning, don’t entirely agree with it.
I don’t go to the range and shoot 250 rounds with my shotgun on a routine basis (ouch). OTOH, when I do serious target practice I rarely use fewer than 250 rounds of LR. And I do a lot more of that than shotgun practice.
Those shotguns images are just unbelievable!
Infection and shock.
saw some in a gunshop last week.
$6.95 for a 50 count box of CCI
he only had 5 boxes.
He had lots of other popular ammo, but his prices were still panic driven
My Mossberg 835 was out of a pawnshop for about $395.00 .
The ducks in Colorado have filed a grievance with the UN Human Rights Committee.
Some nonsense about genocide, or something.
Last time I had my Browning A5 out, it ate through 200+ rounds.
Practicing my poppers for 3-gun.
Still wish I could afford a Benelli M3. Much better suited for what I’d use it for than my Browning.
It’s because of John Kerry. He’s got him a shotgun. And a huntin’ license.
Quit sneaking into my mega-mansion and taking pictures of my shotguns!
Absolutely. At muzzle-flash ranges, a 20 gauge will still blow a rat-size hole in some EBT bunny's chest.
What’s the possibility that they are giving them to Syrian Rebels?
bought my bakuil double barrel for 200 bucks..
best field gun I own
I’m still waiting for the phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
I have a 100 yd bolt-action tack-driver in .22LR. I have a .22 rifle with multiple hi-cap mags. I have a .22LR revolver. I have a very accurate .22LR semi-auto pistol. And I have a pocket-sized .22LR semi-auto that I can carry anywhere.
There is no .22 because it is the most versatile ammunition on the planet and shooting 500 rds of it in one range visit is a good day.
By way of comparison, the Xtrema 2:
By way of contrast, I've seen people going nuts trying to shoot target shells with Benelli guns.
The domestic production capacity for 22ls ,with factories running 24/7 (which they are),is about 4.5 billion rounds a year.This is enough ammo for all of us,who would shoot, to have fun plinking at a normal pace.If you have 100 people in 50 states each purchasing 5 bricks a day it would equal the total production.The machines that produce this ammo cost millions of dollars each to purchase,tool,set-up and man.This explains the reluctance to add capacity.There are authentic conspiracies out there.This is not one of them.
.22 is the assassin’s caliber and obumbles ain’t takin’ NOOOOO chances.
It looks like the .22LR ammo shortage is all your fault!
>>It looks like the .22LR ammo shortage is all your fault!
I wish it was! I haven’t fired any of them since the panic buying began in November.
Oh yeah? Care to share where I can get Remington Gun Club target loads in quantity? I’ve had a hell of a time finding any cases of Gun CLubs.
The machines that produce .22 ammunition cannot be used to produce centerfire cartridges or shotgun ammunition, or vice versa.
As mentioned, .22 is the most versatile load on the planet, and nearly everyone has a .22.
Demand has outstripped supply. No conspiracy needed. It has not happened for hunting loads for shotguns.... yet.
I was looking for my granddad’s, now mine, Ithica double 20ga circa 1930 in those pictures but did not see it...oh I know, it is in my safe!
I checked your math - it did not seem realistic. However it works out.
1 Brick (all they will let me buy) x 500 people x 50 states (not 57) x 365 days = 4.5 Billion rounds per year. Wow.
Turn those target loads into nearly the equivalent of a slug.
>> Remington Gun Club target loads in quantity?
Oh, you’re *picky*.
I buy whatever they have on the shelf at Wally World. I think the last case was Federal.
The coons and armadillos don’t seem to know the difference.
I’m going to give that a try!
You’re more than welcome. Those guys are a hoot, and have several informative videos. I think they even have one using wax to make pellet slugs. They open the end of the shell, dump the pellets in to a pan with wax in it. Then when the wax is liquid, they scoop the wax/pellet mix back into the shell, let it cool and shrink, then top with a little more wax.
>> The Xtrema 2 can serve any purpose there is for a shotgun.
What’s its capacity? (2 3/4)
I could look it up but I’m lazy, plus I see you *enjoy* talking about it. :-)
>> Those guys are a hoot, and have several informative videos.
Yeah, very interesting and good filming too, without being “over-produced”.
I think these are the same guys that set out to prove the theoretical “killing power” of .22LR even at extreme ranges (like 400 yards). THAT was an interesting expose.
Bee Yoo Tee Full!!!!
Question: is the long-range sabot/slug shotgun ammo in short supply?
Here’s some shotgun porn for you. My Ithaca NID 16 gauge Grade 5E. Less than 30 made.
The problem is that many folks grab the cheapest shotshells they can find, and they are usually field loads. Find some Winchester Super Target 1 ounce loads at 1180 feet per second. They'll break anything on the clays field and won't beat you up.
Or shoot 20 gauge target loads, I do and am competitive at the A class level in sporting.
You need the 8 round A5 that FN made for the Rhodesian Police back in the day.
Three normally but there is an adaptor for trick shooting which would give you more like eight or ten shots, if memory serves.
Good choices for both of you. I used to shoot with a guy that shot nothing but 870’s and he could cycle that gun so fast that the spent hull was about a foot from the gun when he fired the second round. He probably put 5-6000 rounds a year through his guns.
The Beretta autos are also great (although the Benelli’s give them a run for the money). My current Sporting 12 is a 391 Urika 2 Trap model.
I love my fancy and collectible guns, but you’re right, you don’t need to pop for $2K or more to get the job done.
Gun Clubs are a bit thin. My thinking is that they’re being snapped up because they’re as reloadable as AA’s and STS’s but a lot less expensive.
100% correct! It certainly is refreshing to read a post from someone who actually understands the situation.
Unfortunately, the wannabe gun nuts only believe what they want to believe and reject everything else. Sort of like the man-made global warming loons.
Up to a 1000-2000% markup. Much more lucrative than selling it the old way (oversupply—volume manufacturing and selling). Either that, or the people in that part of the market haven’t followed the majority trend toward moral bankruptcy.
4.5 billion rounds per year is enough to supply each and every one of 100 million people with over 400 rounds per year.
gunbroker.com searches you can do is to search all double-barrel over/under shotguns, sort on price, highest first, and scroll eight or nine pages past the featured guns to the $50,000 - 200,000 guns for an idea as to what I'm referring to and see if you can picture the owners of any of these things tolerating a government assault on shotshells...
Earlier this year I had my eye on an H&R Pardner Protector. 12 gauge, 18", under $200.
Boom! Just the thing.
That’s a hunting cottage. You’re holding back the real house pics!
psssst... check your math.