Liberals Praise Pat Robertson After Shocking Transgender Comments…

The Blaze ^ | Jul. 30, 2013 10:03am | Billy Hallowell

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Christian Broadcast Network leader and personality Pat Robertson, 83, is known for his controversial commentary. And his most recent remarks about the transgender community are no exception. Contrary to what one might expect, though, he struck an understanding tone in addressing these individuals and even made some comments about sin that will raise eyebrows.

When a viewer named David wrote in to ask how he should refer to two female co-workers who are transgender and who have surgically changed sexes, Robertson delivered some surprising advice. …

Robertson called the procedure “radical” and proceeded to make the most intriguing and controversial comments on the subject—views that are earning him praise among left-of-center blogs that typically lambaste his comments about gays.

“I don’t think there’s any sin associated with that,” he continued. “I don’t condemn somebody for doing that.” …

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Full title from The Blaze:

Liberals Praise Pat Robertson After Shocking Transgender Comments: ‘I Don’t Think There’s Any Sin Associated With That’

Guess Pat missed Deuteronomy 22:5, at the very least.

[Amendment10]

Guess Pat missed Deuteronomy 22:5, at the very least.

That's what I was thinking.

[11th_VA]

I don't think the next Hurricane is gonna miss Virginia Beach now ...

[Kansas58]

I will let those without sin cast the first stone. I fully understand the ideal that sex outside of marriage is considered sinful, regardless of sexual orientation.
I do not think many of us have been able to live without that sin, at least a once.
Also, while I understand the Biblical admonishments against homosexuality, I have a hard time understanding some of the intense critiques others give transgender types.
For instance, I have read here, on FR, attacks against women who had mustaches, or adam’s apples, or other male associated features.
Aren’t these “male” features, when found on a female, evidence that hormones and nature have played an awful trick on such people?
Yes, surely, there are confused types who go through surgeries due to mental or psychological issues.
As for me, I will let God sort those cases out.
I must admit I am uncomfortable around those I know are “transgender” but I have a feeling that Jesus expects me to treat such people with the same respect and compassion that Jesus, himself, showed the prostitutes of his day.
He did not excuse the sin, he forgave the sin and told them to sin no more. He certainly showed no hate towards the sinners.
And he told the judgmental, clearly, that FAITH was more important that perfect adherence to rules and regulations.
I advocate nothing at all here.
I am just stating the fact that my heart is torn by such cases.

[eclecticEel]

Robertson called the procedure “radical”

What's with the scare quotes; if gender-reassignment surgery isn't a "radical" procedure than what is?

[zencycler]

Guess Pat missed Deuteronomy 22:5, at the very least.

That's what I was thinking

That passage deals with garments, not body parts. Pat may be right about the fact that there's no specific mention anywhere in the Bible about this being a sin - probably because there was no way of anyone changing their sex in those times. So now, to confuse matters, if we accept that it's not a sin for a man to become a woman, then after this change, based on the passage you cited, does he/she sin by wearing a dress or a suit?

[newheart]

You are not alone in being torn by this kind of issue. Unfortunately there are many here whose ability to discuss these topics has not progressed much beyond the third grade schoolyard.

“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.” Luke 6:32

[Amendment10]

I will let those without sin cast the first stone.

Regardless that many unrepentant sinners like to depict Jesus as a "Mr. Nice Guy" who forgives sins (so why not keep on sinning?), Matthew 10:34-39 indicates that Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace to the earth, but division.

In fact, as I have indicated in related threads, 1 Corinthians 5 shows that Paul effectively "cast the first stone" when he strongly advised the church in Corinth to expel the members who were practicing incest. (They would have been put to death in OT times.)

Also, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 not only warns, "do not be deceived" concerning things like sexual immorality, but also note the following. Paul had also indicated that certain members of that church had been involved in such immorality, but had evidently accepted God's grace to repent and turn their lives around.

[woofie]

I am a raccoon trapped in a human body. They have yet to offer me a surgical solution

[Catsrus]

While the Bible doesn’t directly refer to transgender, it does say that in the beginning God created them male and female. Also, in Jeremiah, God says that before we were born - He knew us. So, I believe the sex of the child is by God’s plan and design and people should accept who they are and how they were created. In my opinion, to change your sex is calling God a liar and a screw up.

Just my opinion, of course.

[Kansas58]

People have been born with all sorts of abnormalities. People are born with cleft pallets, with closed nasal passages, etc.
Is it not possible, in your mind, that one might be born with both male and female attributes, and that life would be easier for such people if they were allowed to make a choice?
I doubt, very seriously, that God will look kindly on those who pretend to know his heart on these issues, and use that pretentious, prideful and judgmental attitude to justify actions that are less than Christian, towards such people.
Yes, sin is sin. But the jails are full sinners. The Churches are also full of sinners.
Why not picket or protest shoplifting or purse snatching or any number of other sins?
I do not get the obsession some have with these issues.
They are sad cases, but I do not have the authority to call it “sin” when someone is actually born with both male and female physical traits and hormones.
It does happen.

[fabian]

wow...no sin with changing the way God made them? This man is looney...

[Kansas58]

Huh?
And those born with defects should not be treated, since God does not make mistakes?
Your post is shockingly shallow and cold hearted.
Yes, sex change surgery is a radical thing to do. But what of those born with both male and female organs?
It does happen.

[Amendment10]

That passage deals with garments, not body parts.

Regarding our bodies, Job noted in Job 10:11 that God has essentially clothed our spirits with skin and flesh.

[zencycler]

The additional passages you cited are also rejections of behavior that explicitly prohibited (i.e. incest) in other areas of the Bible. But this doesn’t deflect from the argument that, I think, Rev. Robertson is making by saying that he can’t call it a sin, presumably because there isn’t a Bible passage that says so.

Is there?

[Catsrus]

Birth defects are different. A person, for the most part comes equipped with male or female parts. Your post is just stupid. Being born male or female is Not a birth defect, it is a psychological problem which develops.

[zencycler]

Regarding our bodies, Job noted in Job 10:11 that God has essentially clothed our spirits with skin and flesh.

Didn't see that before my recent post. Interesting, so as looking upon our bodies as garments which cover our spirits, we could then connect this to the passage you cited from Deut.

Fair point, and a logical connection.

[zerosix]

As you state, you "advocate nothing here," I'll leave any other comments i might otherwise make alone but would comment on your descriptions of various masculine traits that some women have.

Of course, it is extremely rude, not to mention cruel, to even draw attention to one's physical attributes that are considered less attractive. Laying that aside, to consider such things as dark hair on upper lips, pronounced "adam's apples," etc. as a sign that that woman might be a "genetic mistake" is incorrect.

Both sexes have male and female sexual attributes (if I'm making a mistake in my description, please excuse me here), those sexual attributes are more noticeable at different stages in their lives, i.e. male babies might even have droplets of milk seeping from their breasts shortly after birth and many women develop "male patterned baldness" and long dark hairs appearing on their chin after a certain age, these have nothing whatsoever to do with genetic "mistakes," but they do indicate, especially for middle age women, their estrogen hormone falling faster than one would like.

Likewise, some men after a certain age, develop osteoporosis (fragile and breaking bones) when the male hormone, testorone, falls dangerously low, which also happens to women of advancing age.

Fortunately, medical research has advanced to such a stage where some genetic medical conditions are no longer considered a "fact of life," but medically treatable.

Unless one comes from a very backward segment of society, undeveloped male or female sex organs by a certain age, no longer is thought to be freakish but while not commonplace, certainly treatable, like many other medical conditions.

Lastty, are there men and women who have never had a strong desire for sex, most definitely; does that make one homosexual, most definitely not.

Having a low sex drive (low testorone or "low T" in today's advertisements) makes no one homosexual, it only means one's desire for sex isn't as strong as another's.

[Kansas58]

I suggest you stop posting on this subject, and that you also stop calling people “stupid” — until you study this issue and know what you are talking about.
You clearly do not currently understand the medical issues, and I also suspect you are not an expert on the moral issues involved, either:

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/h/hermaphroditism/intro.htm

[zencycler]

I am a raccoon trapped in a human body

Good one! So how about this -

I'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body, so I want all racial and gender preferences to apply to me!