Skip to comments.Why cheap meat costs the Earth
Posted on 09/06/2013 3:47:11 AM PDT by Renfield
In the rich world, each of us consumes or uses 30 or more animals a year (the bulk 52 of the 59 billion are chickens). We don't, in the nutritional sense, need these animals to feed us certainly not in those numbers. Yet, in order to eat them at an acceptable price we have to imprison them, alter them genetically and chemically, and kill them. We have moved inexorably into ever greyer ethical territory. Any planning for a food future that still envisages using animal products and meat must debate the "moral cost".
I am not sentimental. I have killed and butchered many kinds of animals, and have been on prearranged visits to slaughterhouses in Britain and abroad. I have seen the job done carefully and kindly. It would have been better if I had just dropped in to those abattoirs, but the business of meat production is secretive; if it were public, it would lose customers. In some places, the meat trade is less shy: I've seen puppies blow-torched in tiny cages to remove their hair before butchering a normal village practice in Vietnam.....
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If you don’t want to eat meat, don’t.
Our vegetarian relatives died without issue.
So is there a price for tigers to eat meat?
if God didn’t want us to eat animals, then why did He make them out of meat ?
Meat is murder...tasty murder.
Tell that to a card-carrying PETA hypocrite and watch their eyes pop right out of their skull.
Amazing how even lefty PETA types understand basic underlying price-setting functions of supply and demand when it suits them.
I prefer my steak Med Well, not over peppered. My Ribs wet, Longhorns makes wonderful ones, my burgers,pork chops, plump chickens and turkey moist and juicy. Left overs turned into soups or noodles and meat with veggies.
Low cholesterol dieting is killing people and they don’t realize it. You are becoming Iodine deficient, nutrient deficient from not consuming what GOD made for you to eat.
People Eating Tasty Animals.
My uncle lived off wild game, not store bought stuff. He lived until he was nearly 90 and old age got him, not disease.
The cattle we raise eat stuff we can’t, and turn it into stuff we can use.
Which do you want for dinner? Beef or corn fodder? How about some rained-on hay? Or, if you would like your meal minimally processed, go out and graze for a couple of hours.
That’s why God made ruminants like cattle, sheep, goats, deer and their relatives.
In history classes when I was young, you would hear about how the Plains Indians would use every part of the buffalo for something or other, and the "senseless slaughter" of the Plains buffalo by the white people.
It wasn't "senseless" slaughter. There was nothing on the Plains except buffalo and grass, and humans can't eat grass. If your objective was to get rid of the Indians, the best way to do it was to eliminate the buffalo, leaving the Indians with a choice of moving or starving.
Mr. Renton is horrified at people eating chicken. How does he feel about the holocaust of abortion?
People have trouble with killing a chicken and yet they don’t mind knocking off a human fetus that is tomorrow’s future genius.
My morals are in the right place, maybe they should rethink theirs.
Whenever possible I prefer to kill my own meat.
That was my thought as well - “ethically greyer”, my patoot.
If morality has an explicitly Judeo/Christian foundation, there is no moral case to be made concerning non human beasts or plants, or, for that matter, minerals.
We are called to be in dominion over the earth, not to be its wife. Animals and plants are food and shelter, not cohabitants.
Providing animals with rights to the land that supercede human ownership is in violation of God’s specific law concerning nature. Environmental law is at war with the Bible.
So, what is your point?
Indians drove entire buffalo herds over cliffs, and yet white man is the one who is guilty of killing them all off.
My wife had a bumper sticker on her car that said:
“Meat is yummy”
In the early days of the internet, companies weren't aware of the implications that required them to register their name as an internet domain and for many years individuals who had the foresight to do just that, owned domain names for any of the largest corporations in America until the process was finally resolved to the benefit of Corporate America.
But in the ensuing years, confusion, anger reigned by those who saw the domain name process as some version of the Wild West, extorting companies for untold millions for the release of their company's rightful domain name.
But until the issue was resolved, people were able to own the domain name of any number of corporations simply by getting there first.
One of the classic stories of domain name hijacking was regarding this guy, a fellow PETA-hater brother of ours who had the insight to register PETA.com with a website that vegetarians, and lovers of God's creatures would visit and be horrified by the what they saw when logging onto PETA.com
Welcome to PETA.com People Eating Tasty Animals.
The legal battle by PETA to wrest the domain name from the PETA-hater domain name owner was a legal battle that ensued many years nd at considerable cost to PETA. But in the end PETA won the right to its domain name PETA.com. But not before years of horror and torment for animals lovers, as well as years of joy and ecstasy for PETA-haters.
There is no “moral cost.” At least not within any moral framework I recognize.
Gaia is a harsh mistress.
That tale of using every part of the buffalo but the bellow is bullroar anyway. It was not uncommon for the Indians to stampede massive herds of bison over cliffs, then to pick off the animals that had been injured by the fall. And it was highly unlikely that a single tribe could even begin to process the thousands of animals killed in such wholesale fashion, let alone to use every part of them.
It’s just more “Dances with Wolves” mythology.
Oh Waiter, I’d like a New York Strip, medium rare!
This thread makes me want to go fix myself a nice “cannibal sandwich”.
Cheeseheads will know what that is. Yum!
Leftists stay up at night in fear that the third world will find a way to make more than $2 a day.
That’s the point I was trying to make here. I used to live like that when I lived where I had places to hunt; I’m trying to get back to that lifestyle.
Once (while on a hunting trip, coincidentally) on the eastern shore of Virginia, a friend and I had to spend some time driving right behind a truck full of chickens that had just been removed from the chicken house, and which were going to the slaughterhouse. They should have been white, but they were all a dingy grayish-brown, from having been stacked many cages high; they had been covered in each other’s excrement all of their lives. The stench was ghastly, almost indescribable, and I though we would succumb to it before we were able to pass the truck.
When you buy chicken in the store, that isn’t free-range chicken, this is what you are buying....meat from birds raised in unsanitary and unnatural conditions. We need to move away from this sort of toxic agriculture; the consequences of it are negative and long-lasting.
Yeah right, because when Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon or even American Indians drove a huge herd of mammals like Mammoth or bison over a cliff and only butchered a few and left the others to slowly die, we were SOOOOO ethical back then.
The only difference was the white man had better technology to kill more, and there were a lot more white men than Indians doing the killing toward the end of the 1800s.
I’ll bet most PETA types are pro-abortion. The next time one of them scolds you for eating meat, ask them if they’re pro-choice on abortion. When they say yes, simply say you’re pro-choice on eating meat. Then watch their heads explode.
The problem with that is factory farming is very efficient and keeps the costs down. Free range chicken is great but if that’s all there was then chicken would be $20 a pound and many wouldn’t be able to afford it.
We should find technological ways to keep some chicken’s crap off of the others but they are pretty stupid and unsanitary and will eat poo. Even chickens I have here at home peck at other animal poo—like goat, horse, dog, and I’ve even seen them dig up the cat’s outdoor area and peck at the cat poo. They don’t finish it ever so I assume they are going after the bugs, but then they are eating bugs that just dined on poo...
Eventually, the new techniques for growing meat in a lab will become widespread. A future generation will grow up eating it, think nothing of it, and the problem will be solved. Toxic agriculture is thriving right now for the same reason the toxic finance and toxic defense industries are: many if not most of our representatives are bought and paid for, and they know they have to stay bought - or else.
I’m all for PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals
Broilers and fryers are slaughtered at 6 - 8 weeks and are generally much more healthy looking when raised in confinement than in the backyard. It's not so much that poultrymen are personally all that concerned with the sensibilities of 21st Century yuppies, but it's far more efficient to feed chicks a controlled diet in a disease free environment and to slaughter them quickly, than to let them forage on their own and hope that they grow up before disease, or the neighbor's cat, removes them from inventory.
A generation or two ago, it was common knowledge that, if you fed cattle, your pigs and chickens would eat for free.
(Not being sarcastic) Due to the waste food from the cattle? I'm not familiar with this, never having spent much time on a farm.
I don’t agree. Have you ever been a farmer?
You are competing, like any business man, to sell your products to the highest bidder to maximize your profits while keeping your expenses down.
It would be great to be an organic farmer, never using chemicals, but that usually means your yield is much less compared to those who use chemical fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides. If you can find niche buyers; great, but for most farmers, this is not viable.
The fact that farmers love subsidies for corn is not because congressman voted for it, but the other way around. The farmers vote for those who give them more profit.
There are millions of farmers out there. A substantial number lose their farms due to crop failures, weather, over production during abundant years, etc, etc. So keeping costs down and getting the best yield, animal or plant, is where farmers want(and need) to be.
Factories will always out-produce home-made industries. Same goes for farming techniques.
Cheap abundant food is a mark of Western civilization. There is, however, like anything else in this world, a cost associated with that. Most are willing to pay it, or at least not worry about it.
Eggs from hens fed on such a diet made incredible noodles.
Pork was more popular than beef here in Easter NC generations ago because it cost less. I remember my friend who grew up during those times tell me that the only part of the hog that they threw away was the squeal.
The real secret of vegetarianism is that the same number of animals die to put vegies on the table.
You don’t realize that birds are killed to clear the land, rabbit nests and burrowing animals are buried alive when the land is plowed, deer are shot to keep them out of bean patches, all so a vegetarian can fill his tummy with grass and smugly say,....”I’m better than you because I don’t eat meat!”
Thanks! Always nice to learn something - even when that something isn’t all that appetizing in image! LOL
****the “senseless slaughter” of the Plains buffalo by the white people.****
It makes for a good story but before the Indians had the HORSE they would drive whole herds of buffalo over cliffs, use what they could and leave the rest to rot.
Indians on a war raid would often kill a buffalo, eat part of the hump and leave the rest to rot.
The senseless slaughter by the White Man did take place, but in order to open the plains for farmers. Could you immagine what a herd of half a million buffalo would do to our farm land from Texas to Canada? Could we even have the modern cities on the high plains without the elimination of the buffalo? They would have to issue BUFFALO STAMPEDE ALERT on all the interstates and highways between Illinois and the Rockies.
***People have trouble with killing a chicken***
We learned lots of ways to kill a chicken years ago from placing a bar on the neck, then pull on the legs, the head pops off, use your foot instead of a bar, or wring the neck. Grab the head and sling the chicken around like you were trying to start a crank on an old car.
It recently came to my attention there is a process for creating artificial meat. GOOGLE it ... Artificial meat being created ...
Sounds bad. I do not like putting things in my body I do not know what the chemicals are in it. We already are getting hormones, and genetically altered changes in our chickens and beef, etc. Very bad. The producers are wanting to eliminate loss through time and condition, and increase profits. !!!
The idea of genetically altered seeds, animals, is One thing ... artificially created meat is another.
***We should find technological ways to keep some chickens crap off of the others but they are pretty stupid and unsanitary and will eat poo.****
I’ve never heard of chickens being raised where they could crap on each other. Here, they are floor raised in long houses of approximately 40,000 and there are rules on how many square feet of space they are allowed. They are NOT caged or crowded.
When they are the proper size, men come in and catch them, placing a certain number in each small cage, then they are hauled to the processing plant.
Uncle Pete bought deer licenses in his sons name, he did the hunting on Iron MT, MI even got a bear one year. They lived off deer and bear that year.
We’ve passed pig trucks and chicken trucks and you are correct they smell so bad it’s worse than a dead skunk in the middle of the road.
” they dont mind knocking off a human fetus that is tomorrows future genius.” you are using the liberals term, it’s a BABY! Conservatives should never repeat liberals terms.
Only in America it is legal to kill unborn children, and to not put to death the likes of charley manson.
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