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U.S. Bishops Urge Congress: Use CR to Save Catholics from Coercion by Obama Administration
Cybercast News Service ^ | September 29, 2013 - 10:19 PM | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 09/29/2013 10:18:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The Catholic bishops of the United States have sent a last-ditch letter to members of the House and Senate asking them to protect the religious liberty of American Catholics, which is under attack by the Obama administration.

Specifically, the bishops are asking Congress to use the continuing resolution that must be enacted to keep the federal government funded after midnight on Monday—or otherwise use the bill that will be needed by mid-October to increase the legal limit on the federal debt—to prohibit the effects of an Obamacare regulation that force Catholics to act against their faith.

Under this regulation, many Catholics will quite literally be denied the right to live according to their faith so long as they live in the United States. …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; catholics; coercion; obamacare
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1 posted on 09/29/2013 10:18:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Since the US Roman Catholic Episcopate was four-square behind the push to pass 0bamacare -- and still have not repudiated any part of their support except those bits that gore their own particular oxen -- why are we interested in carrying water on their behalf?

A quid pro quo ought to be: full support for conservative efforts to repeal this monstrosity, not just for your narrow interests but in its entirety.

2 posted on 09/29/2013 10:46:27 PM PDT by FredZarguna (With bell, book, and candle, please.)
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To: FredZarguna
Since the US Roman Catholic Episcopate was four-square behind the push to pass 0bamacare

Source?

3 posted on 09/29/2013 10:47:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Where was the Catholic HIERARCHY when Nanny the RED marched down the streets of WDC carrying her big hammer? Oh and how about that fraud Bart Stupack that spent his political career preening as a pro-life democrat? The list is long of political Catholic creatures that passed this socialistic doctrine. THEY OWN IT!!!!!

Conservatism is taking responsibility for ones own actions. Something apparently not a requirement in Catholic dogma, it is always somebody else that caused the ‘sin’.

4 posted on 09/29/2013 10:54:59 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good luck with that. Catholics aren’t a protected class like muzzies.


5 posted on 09/29/2013 10:57:22 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I assume you have a computer and know how to use it. Google "Catholic Bishops support Obamacare", and look for, oh, only about ten thousand results.

US Bishops have never voiced ANY OPPOSITION to socialized medicine. They have been strongly in favor of it EVERY TIME it has EVER been proposed. It's part of the "preferential option for the poor." (read: socialism.) All they want is for contraception and abortion to be left out of it. In other words: "our special pleading should matter, but liberty and sound economics shouldn't."

Read these two articles -- among many -- and weep.

catholic-bishops-lobby-for-obamacare-amnesty-for-illegals

http://seeingredaz.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/church-leaders-who-supported-obamacare-now-outraged/

6 posted on 09/29/2013 11:17:43 PM PDT by FredZarguna (With bell, book, and candle, please.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Look it up.

It’s true. The USCCB often pointed out that they had been supporting nationalized, socialize medicine for eighty years.

Dolan’s letter last year to Obama, complaining about the HHS Abortion Mandate, repeated that the USCCB still supports Obamacare.


7 posted on 09/29/2013 11:18:28 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Just mythoughts
I am a Catholic, my family has been Catholic for well over a thousand years. We have always taken responsibility for our actions.

How dare you blame the rest of us for the actions of an apostate, whatever she calls herself?

As you judge, so shall ye be judged.

Or are you just looking for someone to blame? Where were you?

8 posted on 09/29/2013 11:35:31 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/upload/health-care-reform-summary-2010.pdf


9 posted on 09/29/2013 11:56:50 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Just mythoughts; FredZarguna

Does the US constitution only apply to conservative voters ?

Should religious freedom not be protected for all citizens not just the ones that vote the way we think they should ?

Urge our elected officials to, among other things, support religious freedom for all americans.


10 posted on 09/30/2013 12:19:25 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I am a Catholic, my family has been Catholic for well over a thousand years. We have always taken responsibility for our actions.

And yet you are clueless as the reality of what the powers that be within your religion are literally doing? Are you unaware the former pope was all about 'universal health care, fancy way of renaming socialized healthcare?

How dare you blame the rest of us for the actions of an apostate, whatever she calls herself?

she did nothing that did not get approved by the majority! Only now has word filtered down and out that she has a problem. This abomination called 'healthcare' is that old dead lion of the Senate that got a saint's burial, Teddy Kennedy's revenge. Deal with it.

As you judge, so shall ye be judged.

Pot meet kettle!

Or are you just looking for someone to blame? Where were you?

I have been planting seeds of truth, and it is not my business if the 'soil' is or is not fertile. Only God through Christ saves. And yet I am among the millions of Americans that must suffer through the religion of socialism.

Hey these socialists got their control over OUR healthcare, they have moved on to their next agenda make saints out of illegals. Deal with it.

11 posted on 09/30/2013 12:42:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: wonkowasright
Does the US constitution only apply to conservative voters ? Should religious freedom not be protected for all citizens not just the ones that vote the way we think they should ? Urge our elected officials to, among other things, support religious freedom for all americans.

Conservatives are the only voters that give a hoot about the Constitution. The government ...'we the people', are not given authority to enforce religion. It was this bunch that did not seem to mind when Nanny the RED said we would have to pass the legislation to find out what was in it. They put their faith in the wrong place.

Now there is religion, and then there is reality. Reality is whacking US across our nose with continuous blows.

12 posted on 09/30/2013 12:50:02 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: wonkowasright
Your rejoinder is illogical and silly. The US Constitution isn't just the Free Exercise Clause in one amendment, it's an entire body of thought, law, and tradition for which the US Roman Catholic Episcopate has historically shown little, if any regard and often outright hostility.

Urge your churchmen to, among other things, show support for the entire Constitution, and not just the one tiny phrase that protects their special carve-out.

13 posted on 09/30/2013 12:55:34 AM PDT by FredZarguna (With bell, book, and candle, please.)
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To: FredZarguna

So to be clear you do not think congress should enact laws to protect religious freedom if that freedom protects catholics ?


14 posted on 09/30/2013 1:02:02 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright
So to be clear you do not think congress should enact laws to protect religious freedom if that freedom protects catholics ?

Congress is US, they in majority were elected to do exactly what they are doing. Well, except those that helped them get elected thought they were entitled to get 'freebies', even if the rest of US got screwed.

15 posted on 09/30/2013 1:09:07 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: NVDave
Thanks, Dave. From that document, referring to the ACA:

Despite the bishops‟ consistent advocacy, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act signed into law did not incorporate the three moral criteria the bishops had identified. However, though the bishops ultimately opposed the new law, they recognized the good present in the bill and look forward to advocating future legislation that incorporates the three moral criteria necessary for authentic life-giving health care reform.

So, it would not be accurate to state the Bishops supported the act as passed, only the idea of expanding coverage for poor, especially children.

That in no way implies a break with Church Doctrine on the issues of Abortion nor Contraception, as other posters have implied.

Certainly, no one here wants sick and dying children to be denied access to health care, but the issue of Obamacare has never been providing health care, rather, one of control, economic redistribution, and forcing (some) people to pay for procedures or pharma to which they have a distinct moral objection.

That the White House closeted crypto-Muslim would push such is no surprise, and while Nancy Pelosi, (the late) Teddy Kennedy, and others may claim what they will, that does not make them so. Neither is a spokesperson for the Catholic Church.

16 posted on 09/30/2013 1:45:30 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: FredZarguna; Salvation
Since the US Roman Catholic Episcopate was four-square behind the push to pass 0bamacare -- and still have not repudiated any part of their support except those bits that gore their own particular oxen -- why are we interested in carrying water on their behalf?

With a hat-tip to Salvation:

Updated: *153* Bishops (Over 80% of Dioceses) Have Spoken Out Against Obama/HHS Mandate

In the past I’ve compiled a list of all the bishops speaking out on a particular controversial issue (for instance, over Notre Dame’s invitation to President Obama) — here are the bishops who have spoken out against the Obama/HHS mandate.

[See my ongoing coverage of Obama/HHS's war against religious liberty herehere, here and most recently here. I'm also tweeting more updates @AmericanPapist.]

If I have missed anyone please let me know in the comments! And please double-check that your bishop really is not there before posting. The list is not in any particular order at this point.

Items in bold mean the statement was read at all diocesan Masses or included in all parish bulletins on Sunday:

SPECIAL MENTION: “The Assembly of Orthodox Bishops in North America just issued a formal statement of protest against the HHS mandate in which the Assembly, representing all 53 Orthodox bishops in North America, references their complete agreement with the statements of the USCCB.”

THANK YOU to everyone who has helped me build and correct this list.

NOTE: If you would like a statement by an Eastern Rite bishop to be included please send me the link/document or post it in the comments! Thank you. I’m trying to provide documentation for all the bishops listed and Eastern Rite bishops have been harder for me to track down. Thank you for understanding!

UPDATE: Of the 183 dioceses (by my count) in the U.S. who have a bishop currently serving as its head, 155 of them have issued statements. So over 80% of bishops who head dioceses have spoken out against the Obama/HHS mandate.

From, Joint Statement on Health Care Reform by Abp Naumann, Bishop Finn:

I. The Principle of Subsidiarity: Preamble to the Work of Reform

This notion that health care ought to be determined at the lowest level rather than at the higher strata of society, has been promoted by the Church as “subsidiarity.” Subsidiarity is that principle by which we respect the inherent dignity and freedom of the individual by never doing for others what they can do for themselves and thus enabling individuals to have the most possible discretion in the affairs of their lives. (See: Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, ## 185ff.; Catechism of the Catholic Church, # 1883) The writings of recent Popes have warned that the neglect of subsidiarity can lead to an excessive centralization of human services, which in turn leads to excessive costs, and loss of personal responsibility and quality of care.

Pope John Paul II wrote: “By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending.” (Pope John Paul II, Centesimus Annus #48)

And Pope Benedict writes: “The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person -every person -needs: namely, loving personal concern. We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need. … In the end, the claim that just social structures would make works of charity superfluous masks a materialist conception of man: the mistaken notion that man can live ‘by bread alone’ (Mt 4:4; cf. Dt 8:3) - a conviction that demeans man and ultimately disregards all that is specifically human.” (Pope Benedict XVI, Deus Caritas Est #28)

While subsidiarity is vital to the structure of justice, we can see from what the Popes say that it rests on a more fundamental principal, the unchanging dignity of the person. The belief in the innate value of human life and the transcendent dignity of the human person must be the primordial driving force of reform efforts.

Also see, Health Care Principles [Bishop Samuel Aquila, Fargo, ND]

Also see, ObamaCare and Catholic social teaching (Bishop R. Walker Nickless)



17 posted on 09/30/2013 1:56:46 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: All; Olog-hai

Also, call your senators and sign dontfundit.com, and get a few friends to do the same.


18 posted on 09/30/2013 2:17:53 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Olog-hai
Well, according to this article the weeping speaker who refused to break Nanny the RED’s rules and end the funding of this abomination, when he was ordained speaker, is a Catholic! 6th paragraph, learn something new every day.
19 posted on 09/30/2013 2:42:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: FredZarguna

No they weren’t behind Obama care. They were stauchly against it because it funded abortions. Plese catch up on the facts before lambasting the Catholic Church. Do you want to see my very, very, very long list of links that verify this?


20 posted on 09/30/2013 8:18:07 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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