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Grambling-Jackson St. game cancelled (Grambling's disgruntled players refused to travel)
Fox Sports ^ | 10/18/13

Posted on 10/18/2013 5:01:26 PM PDT by Libloather

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) - Grambling canceled its football game against Jackson State after Grambling's disgruntled players refused to travel to Jackson for the game Saturday.

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Friday's apparent player boycott was the latest in three days of upheaval for Grambling's proud program -- which rose to prominence under coach Eddie Robinson. Several media outlets have reported that players did not attend practice on Wednesday and Thursday because of issues with program and school leadership.

Grambling (0-7) has changed coaches twice in about two months. Doug Williams was fired two games into the season and replaced by George Ragsdale, who was reassigned Thursday and replaced by Dennis "Dirt" Winston.

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Jackson State spokeswoman Jean Cook said the school would still have homecoming festivities, featuring the homecoming parade, a football scrimmage and extended band performance. The school said it's working on a process to refund tickets.

Bill the Grambling players and then pull any scholarships.

1 posted on 10/18/2013 5:01:26 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

And the Bad Sportsmanship Award goes to...


2 posted on 10/18/2013 5:03:47 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Libloather
I was just going to post this but I stopped to read some old articles about Grambling. Now back to the story.

First, the players should lose their scholarships. They are being compensated to practice and play and they refused.

Second, they won't lose their scholarships. The football program brings in way too much money and you can't just fire a team and start over. Ask SMU.

3 posted on 10/18/2013 5:05:21 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

You think Grambling football is making money now?


4 posted on 10/18/2013 5:06:24 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Libloather

Players getting sh!t on and have only one real recourse, STRIKE! (insert logo of raised fist here)

In reality, these students are as close to serfs as any group these days. I have some sympathy for them.

But ya, you take the money (or scholarship) you got to work for the Man, that’s life. Hope they get it all sorted out.


5 posted on 10/18/2013 5:06:43 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Libloather

grumbling gramblings grunting


6 posted on 10/18/2013 5:07:26 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Libloather
I remember Williams quarterbacked for the Bucaneers back when.

The standing joke was that he'd be sent to Iran to overthrow the Ayatolah.....

What an arm. At least with the Redskins he got to the Superbowl.

7 posted on 10/18/2013 5:11:20 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Libloather

No justice, no......whatever.


8 posted on 10/18/2013 5:11:28 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: ASOC

Absurd dude....totally absurd.
The easiest thing in the world to do is not be a college athlete. If you don’t want the gig, don’t take it. But don’t take it and then bitch about it....


9 posted on 10/18/2013 5:14:56 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Libloather
Grambling hit rock bottom years ago.

I cannot remember the last time they successfully recruited an elite player against the SEC or the ACC.

I'll guess they have maybe two or three active NFL players, none of whom went in the first or second round.

Update:

I just checked ESPN.

They have two active players.

One, a third rounder, the other, an undrafted free agent.

10 posted on 10/18/2013 5:19:34 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Grambling used to get the African American players the SEC, especially LSU, wouldn’t recruit. Now LSU gobbles up all the best talent in Louisiana of all colors, and La Monroe and La Lafayette get the rest.

Grambling is an iconic program who’s time appears to have passed....


11 posted on 10/18/2013 5:21:23 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Libloather
Grambling canceled its football game against Jackson State

Dozens are disappointed.

12 posted on 10/18/2013 5:21:45 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Libloather

Scholarships? A school like Grambling don’t need no stinkin scholarships. You just gotta know holderspeople deserves a shonuf free edication and I be bettin they gets a real goodun at Grambling.


13 posted on 10/18/2013 5:21:49 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Pan_Yan

At 0-7, who could tell?


14 posted on 10/18/2013 5:24:43 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You think Grambling football is making money now?

They might make some since game attendance is not their only source of revenue. The teams get payed to play bigger opponents and to play in big traditional money making HBCU games each year. The also make some coin through their conference.

Under Sharp’s leadership the SWAC has negotiated long-term agreements with ESPN, Russell Athletic, Toyota, Coca-Cola and Nike. The conference basketball tournament has also set records for revenue and total attendance two of the last three years.

However if you do attend a Grambling game chances are it's for the half time show.

15 posted on 10/18/2013 5:25:57 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Well, their band can’t handle the marchin’ Rattlers of Florida A&M - but I digress - and I am confident that Grambling athletics runs in the red. A lot more colleges run in the red than people realize....and if it werent’ for political correctness on the part of corporate sponsors, it would be even redder.


16 posted on 10/18/2013 5:29:06 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yeah, but if you want the Alumni checks to stop flowing cut football.


17 posted on 10/18/2013 5:31:59 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Possibly....they did have a radio contract some years ago - might still have it — also the Grambling-Southern game is on NBC.

It’s FCS (old I-AA), not FBS (old I-A) so the expenses aren’t as high.

But the only reason they’re not playing is that they’re 0-7?


18 posted on 10/18/2013 5:32:14 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: C. Edmund Wright

My boss went to Grambling. I went to La-Monroe. Grambling really is a piece of crap school.


19 posted on 10/18/2013 5:33:59 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: ASOC
"In reality, these students are as close to serfs as any group these days. I have some sympathy for them. But ya, you take the money (or scholarship) you got to work for the Man, that’s life. Hope they get it all sorted out.

Yes, these "students" have it so hard. It's horrible that...

...they are on a partial or full scholarship that is paying for their college education, room & board for 4+ years which could have a value of $180,000.
...their academic progress is supported with extra free tutoring if they give a damn about their education.
...their academic progress is optional or waived entirely if they don't give a damn about their education.
...they are forced to be on a premium food plan that is not available to ordinary students.
...they are receiving free athletic shoes and clothing.
...they don't get to choose the university employee supervising their team (don't they choose their own professors?).
...they are forced to ride a bus paid for by the university to an extracurricular athletic event instead of attending class.

Yep, I sure feel sorry for these oppressed individuals - serfdom, indeed.

20 posted on 10/18/2013 5:34:27 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Libloather
Grambling's disgruntled players refused to travel

Why? Somebody want them to sit in back?

21 posted on 10/18/2013 5:35:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: scrabblehack

A 100 yard field still costs money to maintain. 80 uniforms X 2 or 3 still cost money. 80 scholarships still cost money. Travel still costs money. The difference in costs of a small time program are not nearly the difference in revenues. The biggest difference in costs is coaching salaries.

Hell, the bands cost a zillion, and they are perhaps more important now than the teams, and they don’t create revenue per se.

If it weren’t for all the classic games - lving on the past glories - and the racial pressure on sponsors to pony up the cash, these programs would have folded long ago.

SEE: http://hbcudigest.com/grambling-ad-appeals-to-tiger-football-fans-for-regular-attendance/


22 posted on 10/18/2013 5:36:06 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Pan_Yan

Oh, do alum checks flow into Grambling?
You are using an LSU model for Grambling......


23 posted on 10/18/2013 5:36:49 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: scrabblehack

The radio contract is lucky to pay expenses......and yes, these special “classic” games are where their money is....PC sponsor hold ups “justice brothers” style.


24 posted on 10/18/2013 5:38:21 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ASOC

I don’t disagree with your basic thesis, that college football players should draw a paycheck on top of room, board, tuition.

I’m amused by the idea that virtually all other college sports teams - men and women - would have to find some other way to support themselves, besides getting subsidies from the football and basketball programs.

One other point.....

It’s still a pretty good deal for future NFL players, though.

The NCAA is like a minor league where young elite players develop physically and showcase their skills against other young elite players for 4 or 5 years.

Also, the coaching and the training facilities are the best in the world, and, completely “free.”

All in all, if I made it the the NFL, even for one year, I can’t imagine why I would criticize my college.

For those who have no shot at pro ball, well, they have a legitimate complaint about the money.

Maybe college teams should ask the NFL to pay the kids a salary?


25 posted on 10/18/2013 5:38:32 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: gop4lyf
Re: “Grambling really is a piece of crap school.”

Hopefully, your Grambling graduate boss does not read Free Republic!

26 posted on 10/18/2013 5:43:05 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

um, wow.....if the money making programs in college....which are some footballteams, some basketball teams, and almost NO OTHER TEAMS AT ALL, get paid.....where does the money come from for all the non reveune sports?

College athetic departments, outside of a small number who make a ton, don’t make money. They bring in a ton of money, but they don’t turn profits.....


27 posted on 10/18/2013 5:46:53 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: zeestephen

Not likely. Grambling grads aren’t exactly in the Free Republic demographic.


28 posted on 10/18/2013 5:57:18 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: stboz
I remember Williams quarterbacked for the Bucaneers back when.

The standing joke was that he'd be sent to Iran to overthrow the Ayatolah.....

What an arm. At least with the Redskins he got to the Superbowl.

What an arm indeed.

I remember a game where Williams scrambled to his left and just flicked the ball with his wrists and the ball went 30 yards down field. 34 years later and I still remember the play.

Not only did Williams win a Superbowl with the Redskins but he also got Tampa Bay to a NFC title game. Which was no easy feat back in the '70's.
29 posted on 10/18/2013 6:01:26 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: C. Edmund Wright

For what it is worth, another ‘victim’ of forced integration.

Like the poster said, before ‘FE’ the Black schools were powerhouses but when the ‘Ivy League’ starts bidding on people because of PC they take the ‘cream of the crop’—students and athletes— and the Black schools eventually have a problem surviving.

As wrong as Blacks not being ‘allowed’ to play Major League Baseball prior to ‘47, a lot of Blacks were against integration because they ‘knew’ the Major League teams would just strip them of the upper echelon of talent from the Negro Leagues, who were succesful but made people money rather than rich.

So the ‘super stars’ went out and made good money while the League and the 2nd rate players died on the vine, as there were no more ‘draws’ to fill the stadiums.


30 posted on 10/18/2013 6:14:07 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --All incumbents must go. Complete turn over, House & Senate is needed.)
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To: Libloather

Should have done what Cumberland College did against Georgia Tech on October 7, 1916

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1073271/index.htm

Of course, the score was 222-0


31 posted on 10/18/2013 6:15:58 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Libloather

Schools like Grambling have outlived their purpose, and not just on the football field. They should either adapt or close up shop altogether.


32 posted on 10/18/2013 6:16:28 PM PDT by yawningotter
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To: C. Edmund Wright

So they are the property of the school like chattel?


33 posted on 10/18/2013 6:17:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Libloather
coach Eddie Robinson

Man has to be rolling over. What a pity.

34 posted on 10/18/2013 6:31:37 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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So they are the property of the school like chattel?

Really? What a bunch of straw bullsh-t.

Since you have demonstrated totaly ignorance of college scholarship athletes, let me give you short primer. They recieve a substantial value in return for their services. For a star athlete, the school gets the benefit. For an average or poor player, who still gets a scholarship, the school gets the raw end of the deal. But that's beside the point. They all enter into this arrangment voluntarily. Moreover, most of them dedicate their entire teen years to being offered a scholarship.....

35 posted on 10/18/2013 6:40:44 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: yawningotter

That’s true...the fact that we no longer need “black colleges” is a good thing on the whole......and not just on the football field.


36 posted on 10/18/2013 6:41:33 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Libloather

Maybe Grambling ought to boycott honoring their scholarships.


37 posted on 10/18/2013 6:43:02 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: stboz

The REDSKINS!?!?!? You racist!!!!! /sarc if it’s needed


38 posted on 10/18/2013 6:57:35 PM PDT by mykroar (China and Russia are playing chess while Obamas's playing 52 card pick-up.)
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To: stboz
I remember Williams quarterbacked for the Bucaneers back when.

An acquaintance of mine, a former college quarterback, played in a college all star game in Japan with Williams. Williams refused to shake his hand because my acquaintance is white. So, he spit on Williams.

39 posted on 10/18/2013 7:14:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Libloather
Grambling canceled its football game against Jackson State after Grambling's disgruntled players refused to travel to Jackson for the game Saturday.

As if I give a rat's ass about any members of the entitlement class!

To Grambling & Jackson State... Just STFU & sign up for your 0dumbCare, for any students able to read or write after going to all black skools.

40 posted on 10/18/2013 7:44:40 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Don’t forget Louisiana Tech. They had four players from last year’s team that now play in the NFL.


41 posted on 10/18/2013 7:50:36 PM PDT by smith5460
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To: smith5460

La Tech...yep.....what would Phil from Duck Dynasty think of me?


42 posted on 10/18/2013 7:54:05 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: WKUHilltopper

If the players lose their scholarships over this, then some of the Grambling administrators should lose their jobs and go to jail over some of the financial misdealing and unaccounted money over the years.

Sounds like this is something that has been brewing for a while. Some of the players are still upset that their head coach Doug Williams was fired early this season without a real explanation by the university’s administration. The weight room issues and lack of proper facilities for the football program are evident given that they had to practice indoors in the gym when it was raining outside.

There are also grumblings about the players having to be bussed to Kansas City and Indianapolis (14 hour trips) while some administrators flew to those sites and not having enough meals during the road trips. The issue is where did all the money from the “classic games” go. Isn’t there enough money from these games to fly the players out to KC and Indy instead of making them ride the buses?

The interim head coach Ragsdale was fired or “reassigned to go in another direction” as the administration put it. The players weren’t too happy with him, but it sounds like the players are really mad at Grambling’s president. There was supposed to be another indoor practice after Ragsdale was fired today and another interim head coach was named, but I think it was cancelled after only ten players showed up.

This is symptomatic of larger problems at Grambling. Their men’s basketball program finished 0-28 last season and may have been the worst single-season team in the history of men’s college basketball. Their administration and financial dealings are a joke. This type of stuff has been going on for years. It’s just now being publicized in the media now.


43 posted on 10/18/2013 7:57:53 PM PDT by smith5460
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To: C. Edmund Wright
That's the point.....

Currently, they get a free ride.

In the future, they will need compulsory student fees and alumni endowments.

One day soon, someone will figure out how to privately monetize a football league of college age players.

Then, 90% of the elite high school players will choose to become semi-pro’s instead of college students.

If the colleges don't start paying salaries first, someone from the business world is going to do it for them.

44 posted on 10/18/2013 11:22:47 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Nope, because there’s no way to monetize it privately. Keep in mind....if you take away the “magic revenue bullet” of college sports, it shrivels up to nothing.

What is that magic bullet? The inherent “University of” effect. Univ of Alabama, Florida, Michigan, Texas, Nebraska, etc....etc...etc......

There’s zero market for some kind of semi pro league. No one will care. No one will go. No one will pay. No market.


45 posted on 10/19/2013 2:53:31 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yes, you make a very good point.

I’ve actually thought about that in detail in the past.

My solution would be to limit it to like 4 teams of elite players who travel the country, always playing games on the home field of a major university.

Then, maybe a “championship” game between the top two elite teams at the end of the season.

But that would just put a couple hundred elite players on the payroll.

Realistically, I think paying ALL college football players is inevitable, no matter what the NCAA does.


46 posted on 10/19/2013 12:52:27 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

It may be inevitable, but it’s improper, illogical, and the impact will be a pandora’s box of negative reactions that people are NOT thinking about.

These players really do not “generate” the revenue, not in the sense people are saying they do. The revenue is generated by university names, traditions, and all the trappings of big stadia, big bands, big media, etc....that the current crop of 20 year olds has not a damned thing to do with.

You could vaporize the top thousand players, replace them with players 1001-2000 and not lose a friggin nickel of total revenue. If the players really “generated” the revenue, that would not be the case.


47 posted on 10/19/2013 12:58:29 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I certainly agree that the University trademark or brand is the most valuable asset a college football team has.

I disagree about player skill.

I went to a Division I-AA college that often competed for the national championship.

The quality of play was inferior, the crowds smaller, ticket prices less expensive, TV exposure usually just local, and only 7 NFL players in the last 40 years.

I grew up watching Miami, Florida, and FSU games.

There is simply no comparison in fan excitement.


48 posted on 10/19/2013 4:38:01 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

I think you miss my point. FOR EXAMPLE: There’s 106 thou at Tennessee regardless....and as long as the compettion is relavtive, that’s all that matters.


49 posted on 10/19/2013 4:55:48 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I think I do understand.

I do not think 106,000 would turn out for very long if a Tennessee-Florida game was played at the skill level of a Furman University-Western Carolina game.

Not sure how to “prove” my point, but, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

50 posted on 10/19/2013 5:16:15 PM PDT by zeestephen
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