Posted on 11/16/2013 9:48:54 PM PST by fella
And the Cuban Missile Crisis, on some subsequent readings of history, was not a triumph of bold statesmanship as it was hailed at the time, but a piece of foolhardy grandstanding that unnecessarily humiliated the Soviets and precipitated the arms race that defined the Cold War.
Even on civil rights – the subject of one of Kennedy's greatest speeches in June 1963, when he vowed that "Every American ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as he would wish to have his children treated." – the reality never matched the myth.
Kennedy made good on his campaign promises on equal rights but only, we now know, after being forced to intervene by growing violence in the South. Until that point, along with his brother Robert, the attorney-general, it was pragmatism not principle that had governed decision-making.
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Sadly I've seen several posts on this thread gushing over JFK. Post #4 (gushing over JFK's speech about going to the moon) demonstrates why our side is hurt by history revisionism and loses the PR battle to the liberal media. JFK gave a speech in 1960 saying we should go to the moon. 9 years later, under Nixon, we got there. According to the media, JFK deserves 100% of the credit. The opposite is true with Bin Laden. In 2001, George W. Bush launched the war on terror, fought for "enhanced interrogation techniques" like water-boarding against constant liberal opposition, and vowed to get Bin Laden. 10 years later, under Obama, we finally took out Bin Laden. But NOW, according to the liberal media, Obama deserved 100% of the credit. In either case, it's the Democrat President who is given full credit, regardless of whether their involvement is at the beginning or the end of the landmark event. Our side is all too happy to perpetuate that propaganda.
>> We even have a freeper who worships JFK as a conservative <<
With people on the right and left constantly worshiping JFK as a deity when he accomplished nothing, he gets my vote for most overrated president ever. The "he was assassinated so of course he's going to be elevated as larger than life" excuse doesn't hold water either. That's yet another example of out side losing the PR battle. When's the last time you heard a Democrat OR a talking head in the media gush over the Presidency of James A. Garfield or William McKinley? Both of them were assassinated, and I would argue McKinley did far more in his presidency than JFK did.
>> Even if Illinois went to Nixon JFK still would have won because he carried Texas because of LBJ. So he did not steal the election. <<
JFK did not "win" Texas because of LBJ. Even with an enormously powerful heavyweight Texas pol on the ticket, he was barely competing with Nixon in Texas. JFK carried Texas by a razor thin margin because he got tons of "undocumented" immigrants to vote for him on the border counties. He overwhelmingly won the "Hispanic" vote in Texas in 1960, and it's extremely doubtful that those votes all came from legal Texas citizens. You can go back and look at a county-by-county election map of Texas in 1960 to verify this. Nixon won the votes of lawful Texas citizens. Yet another example of Democrats winning elections with illegally cast votes.
Texas was also stolen by Johnson with votes in the border counties. NJ and a few other close states were probably also stolen. Nixon was elected. Zero doubt.
And no one voted on the first lady, that’s silly.
Slowly put down the crack pipe and dial a poison control center. You've overdosed.
It's sad to see the liberal media's propaganda campaign effect freepers.
Fun quote: "I'm not through with a girl till I've had her three ways." - John F. Kennedy.
One of my favorite LBJ vs JFK tales.
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/98apr/lbj.htm
He was a competitive womanizer. When people mentioned Kennedy’s many affairs, Johnson would bang the table and declare that he had more women by accident than Kennedy ever had on purpose.
If we could transport this guy in a time machine from 1960 to meet with "today's Democrats", he'd have a hell of a fun night out with Elliot Spitzer and Bob Menendez.
“It’s sad to see the liberal media’s propaganda campaign effect freepers.”
No kdding.
RE: Women and the Kennedys. I’ve always thought it was a touch homo-incestuous to “pass” the same women around amongst family. Brings new meaning to the term “Eskimo Brothers”.
If Kennedy hadn’t been kilt, we would of had Johnson from 1969-76, then Humphrey from 1977-1984, then who knows who, but at least we wouldn’ta have no Bushes!
They shared more than Marilyn?
My brothers and I were never good at sharing. Mom had to make sure everything she bought came in divisibles of 3.
I thought I read they shared the German spy.
“Mom had to make sure everything she bought came in divisibles of 3.”
That’s math a Kennedy would love!
Remember Mary Pinchot Meyer?
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/20/books/when-history-had-secrets.html
The facts of this legendary Washington murder are spare. Mary Pinchot Meyer, the ex-wife of the high-ranking Central Intelligence official Cord Meyer and the sister-in-law of Ben Bradlee, then soon to be the managing editor of The Washington Post, was shot to death on a fall day in 1964 while walking alone on the C.&O. towpath above Georgetown. A black day laborer, Ray Crump, found hiding in the bushes along the canal, was tried for the crime and acquitted. No one else was ever charged, and the murder remains unsolved.
The event sent shudders through the power circles of the capital, in part because this well-born socialite had been involved in an earlier ‘’fling,’’ as her sister, Tony Bradlee, put it, with President John F. Kennedy. Moreover, she had kept a diary, which Bradlee and his wife quickly retrieved and turned over to the C.I.A. — after finding James Jesus Angleton, the agency’s counterintelligence chief, trying to pick the lock of Meyer’s studio door.
BINGO!
Thank you!!!
I define “decent” as anyone who isn’t trying to commit genocide. The bar has been set unbelievably low by the subhuman who currently occupies the executive branch.
I recall that they did a film about that (though not explicitly about Meyer) called “An American Affair.”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0899138/
“Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy...”
From “A Boy And His Dog” by Harlen Ellison, starring Don Johnson.
No we wouldn't have, it would have been 8 years of Nixon, followed by California Governor, Ronald Reagan in 1968.
Vietnam, the 1960s shift, the 1965 Immigration Act, the domination by Ted Kennedy and the Kennedy family, none of that would have happened.
That would be a whole lot more plausible fantasy, if he had not actually been a president, and been terrible at it.
Oh, you’re right (or Harlan Ellison was), I forgot about all those other Kennedys lining up, like the Bushes have been lining up.
Interesting. TY.
LBJ died in early 1973, and had he been President after 1969, the stress of the job would’ve killed him before that. He was only 59 when he announced he wouldn’t run in 1968 and he already looked like an old man. Reagan was only 2 1/2 years younger than LBJ when he attempted to run for President in ‘68 (just 57) and was pretty energetic and fresh-faced by comparison.
Humphrey, too, died in early 1978 (while serving in the Senate) and also wouldn’t have survived the stress of the Presidency.
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