Posted on 11/18/2013 6:54:48 PM PST by massmike
What do the Bible, "The Hunger Games" and "Fifty Shades of Grey" have in common? All three are works of fiction, according to the booksellers at Costco.
Pastor Caleb Kaltenbach made that shocking discovery last Friday as he was shopping for a present for his wife at a Costco in Simi Valley, Calif. “All the Bibles were labeled as fiction,” the pastor told me. “It seemed bizarre to me.” Kaltenbach is the lead pastor at Discovery Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in southern California.
He thought there must be some sort of mistake so he scoured the shelf for other Bibles. Every copy was plastered with a sticker that read, “$14.99 Fiction.” The pastor knew something must be amiss so he set off in search of a Costco employee hoping for an answer.
Unfortunately, he couldn’t find anyone willing to answer his question (which is not all that surprising if you’ve shopped at Costco).
I doubt they would label the Koran as fiction, Pastor Kaltenbach said. Heaven help us if they did.
So does the warehouse store that sells laundry detergent by the gallon have a problem with the Word of God? I called Costco headquarters in Issaquah, Wash. hoping to get answers. The nice lady who answered the phone told me she was aware of the issue and chalked it up to a “human error at a warehouse.” “It’s all fixed,” she said. But actually, it’s not fixed – because there’s a boatload of Bibles in the Simi Valley store still marked as fiction. At that point, the nice lady on the phone became not-so-nice and promptly informed me that Costco doesn’t talk to the press.
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What is your understanding of the meaning of the word “fiction”?
Hey Bill Clinton, fiction means false, made up, not true.
Do you reject the proposition that a work of fiction can communicate truths?
Why would it be a problem if the Book of Job is fiction?
Why could it not be a piece of fiction inspired by the Holy Spirit, to teach truths the Holy Spirit desires to teach?
Are you seriously saying that Job MUST be a historical person, if the Book of Job is part of Scripture?
“30 years of shopping at costco.”
IOW, sample size = 1; it’s simply your opinion. You’ve got an opinion just like I’ve got an “editor-surveyor,” which reacts when I eat too much highly spiced food.
Mom is away?
Who is feeding you?
>> “Do you reject the proposition that a work of fiction can communicate truths?” <<
.
A work of fiction can communicate opinion, and nothing more.
Yehova’s word communicates all of the relevant facts of existence. No Fiction!
>> “Are you seriously saying that Job MUST be a historical person, if the Book of Job is part of Scripture?” <<
.
Job most certainly is a historical person. Get a grip!
Total BS?
Apparently NOT!
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Costco apologizes for California bible flap
November 20, 2013
A Costco store in Southern California drew some unwanted attention this week after labeling some of its Bibles as fiction.
The Los Angeles Times reports (http://lat.ms/18nVqRy) Wednesday that Discovery Church pastor Caleb Kaltenbach recently came across the Bibles with “Fiction” written on the price tag while shopping for a gift at a Costco store in Simi Valley. He took a photo and posted it on social media with the comment: “Costco has Bibles for sale under the genre of FICTION ...”
Costco has since apologized, saying in a statement a distributor mislabeled a small percentage of Bibles before they were sent to the store. The company said it is correcting the mistake for future distribution.
http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?date=20131120&feed=AP&id=17129287#scpshrtu
I checked the Concord store yesterday, and the Bibles there had only the price and the code.
They did have some books marked Fiction, and some marked “Coffee Table.”
“Mom is away?
Who is feeding you?”
Brilliant, witty response.
Are they a commercial service?
What if a human author wrote a fictitious story, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Wouldn’t the work then communicate some truths that the Holy Spirit intended to teach?
Why is history the only literary form that could be written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
What is it that make you desire Yehova’s word to fiction?
What does it satisfy for you?
You don’t seem to have thought about this much.
You seem to be insisting that all of Scripture must consist of ONE literary form—history.
There are no poems in Scripture? There are no hymns? There are no letters? There are no stories intended to teach a moral point?
Jesus told stories that were fiction. The story of Dives and Lazarus. The Prodigal Son. Etc.
Why is it a troubling thought that some of the books in Scripture are fiction, just like the parables of Jesus?
It is your opinion that anything Yeshua told is fiction.
It is far more likely that everything he told was based on a real life factual event.
You have to understand that he knew all of the events from the beginning. Your cognition is quite limited and distinctly biased.
You have not responded to any of my questions. You have merely repeated your original assertion.
This leads me to believe that you haven’t thought about this very deeply.
If you would start to think at all, you would realize that there is less than zero chance that anything Yeshua ever said was not based on real events.
Why would he need to?
He knew the lives of every human ever born, and every mistake they ever made. I’m confident that there were at least 1000 backup events for every account he ever gave.
Just keep on bouncing checks.
WRT Job: (From Setterfield’s site)
Are Job and Jobab the Same Person?
questions, comments, and Barry’s responses
In Genesis 10: 26-29, Joktan’s thirteen sons are listed. Joktan was Peleg’s brother, and it was in Peleg’s time the continents were divided. Joktan’s thirteenth son was Jobab. Later on, in the Bible, we have the earliest completed book of the Bible, Job. Is Job Jobab? The evidence we have found in the Bible says that yes, he is. In the ancient Alexandrian Septuagint, from 300 years before Christ, there is a part of the book of Job that later translators left out. It states that Job lived a total of about 248 years. Although other Jobs and Jobabs are mentioned in the Bible, only someone who lived at approximately the time of Peleg or a little after would have this age expected. Before Peleg (and after Noah’s Flood) the age expectancy was more like 400 or 450 years. After the time of Peleg we see a fairly rapid drop in life expectancy from over 400 years (Peleg’s father and grandfather, in Genesis 11) to Peleg, 239 years, then Reu at 239 years, then 230 years for Serug, 148 years for Abraham’s father, then Abraham’s 175 years and finally to Moses’ 120 years, which is the maximum life expectancy today.
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