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Texans Allege ‘Fishy’ Adjustments By The Patriots
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Posted on 12/01/2013 8:42:32 PM PST by Perdogg

The Texans defense struggled against Tom Brady and the Patriots. But then again, who doesn’t?

After the Texans 34-31 loss, defensive end Antonio Smith made it clear he thought Brady had a little extra help in carving up their defense to the tune of 365 passing yards.

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1 posted on 12/01/2013 8:42:32 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Absolutely Nobama; Thunder90; 4everontheRight; ABG(anybody but Gore); Abbeville Conservative; ...

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2 posted on 12/01/2013 8:43:13 PM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

Losers always make excuses. 1-800-505-WAAA


3 posted on 12/01/2013 8:45:24 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Perdogg

4 posted on 12/01/2013 8:47:22 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

lol


5 posted on 12/01/2013 8:49:31 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Perdogg

Belichek’s history makes it seem suspicious — but on the other hand any NFL team is always self analyzing isn’t it?

“We’ve analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger.”


6 posted on 12/01/2013 8:51:33 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Perdogg
Having witnessed Brady, through view his marches down the field, I do have to compliment Brady's execution of time on the clock knowledge, plus reading defenses and executing in spite of the defenses thrown at him. Brady reminds me of a computer that self adjusts to what defense is thrown against him. Brady is also not above using the rules, of the game, to create or utilize a refereed advantage that only the rule book contains. Not a fan of Brady but do respect his abilities and wish someone could build a computer than is capable of recognizing and utilizing time and the field in the manner Brady does. Though probably not the best quarterback with the best statistics, Brady is perhaps the best at running the under one minute drill than any quarterback have ever had the pleasure to view.

Gosh, just read what I typed and I sound like a fan of his but am not. I do wish though more quarterback had a Brady brain.

7 posted on 12/01/2013 8:55:24 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Perdogg

If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.


8 posted on 12/01/2013 8:56:36 PM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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To: BenLurkin
I think the NFL elites "work" somethings out.....Houston was driving well...a Denver player absolutely held him and the Houston guy couldn't catch the pass.......the Pats had NO calls against them the entire day....

sorry, I just think that the elites have a plan to push along certain teams and nothing is going to stop them....

9 posted on 12/01/2013 9:38:22 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: big'ol_freeper

>>Losers always make excuses. 1-800-505-WAAA<<

“They figured out our plays. This is impossible, despite the fact the only major change to the game was the introduction of the forward pass.”

Everything is a variation of something already done.

I watched the Redskins play the “read option.”

This has already been done for decades in college. It is called the “wishbone T.”

Nothing new under the sun since Walsch and Landry.


10 posted on 12/01/2013 9:38:25 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Perdogg

When you’re 2 and 10, teams don’t need any fishy stuff to beat you. The Patriots probably had developed a ‘tell’, the Texans had spotted it, and the Pats coaches figured it out the first time the Texans took advantage of it.

It’s tough to lose ten in a row, but the Texans were better today. If they’d played this game the last couple of weeks, they’d have broken the streak.


11 posted on 12/01/2013 9:46:52 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: cherry

The pats had no calls, and the texans only had two. The refs weren’t throwing flags...even when a punt returner was run into before the ball came down.


12 posted on 12/01/2013 9:51:23 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cherry

Yeah, the ‘elites’ must just have it in for the Texans—who are 2-10 this year.

(Maybe the same way ‘they’ just didn’t want Rick Perry to be the GOP nominee in 2012?)


13 posted on 12/01/2013 9:52:56 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Perdogg

Yuh lost.

Period.


14 posted on 12/01/2013 9:55:24 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Perdogg

If the teams were actually allowed to play football as they were pre-2000 or so, none of these arcane things would matter. But once the ‘60s hippies got into power in the NFL, as they did in the federal government, all the rules changed. Luckily, these wingnuts are retiring (they’re amazingly lazy), or dying off, fast. Hopefully we will still have a country when the Reagan-era peeps start moving into power.


15 posted on 12/01/2013 9:56:20 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Perdogg

I think people forget what BB did as a coach in SB 36 against the Rams with Brady in 2002.His playbook is in the NFL Hall of Fame because of it.


16 posted on 12/01/2013 9:57:21 PM PST by plainshame
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To: KC_Lion

I saw at least three big Texans plays that were caused by almost that exact maneuver. The refs simply weren’t throwing flags.


17 posted on 12/01/2013 9:59:35 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Bellicheck is a proven cheater, so don’t be too surprised if this is true.

One day, the whole truth will come out and hopefully it will before that girly-man Brady gets into the HoF.


18 posted on 12/01/2013 10:06:17 PM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: All

Tagliabue looked at the tapes of the Rams walk thru practice taken shortly before SB 36 by a Patriots employee.

Tags proclaimed nothing to see, move along, then destroyed the only copy of the tapes.

If there was nothing suspicious on them, then why destroy the evidence?


19 posted on 12/01/2013 10:41:56 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Paul Ryan shreds Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Because pretty much every part of what you said is false.


20 posted on 12/01/2013 10:43:07 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cherry

Guess the “Wowboys” are back in luck because they have succeeded when the rest of their division is weak as it is now. Predicted 20 years ago that the Cowboys would not win another division title for 20 years. Looks like it may be that kind of season again unless the Eagles can hang in there. I have a strong subjective dislike for Jerry Jones. Obviously he does some community good but so does a lot of organized crime when it suits their purpose.


21 posted on 12/01/2013 11:08:46 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deeper in trouble.)
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To: Jukeman

The night before the Bronco’s game last week, someone pulled the fire alarm at two in the morning, causing the hotel to evacuate. They now leave a day early just in case. Yes, Bellachek is a cheater. [A man with a hoody and the team logo was seen leaving the scene.] Added for fun.


22 posted on 12/02/2013 12:00:26 AM PST by DISCO
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To: lepton

Nope.

The only thing I was wrong about is that it was Roger Goodell and not Tagliabue.

When a stand-up guy like Kurt Warner says “they knew what plays we were going to run” you know somethings up.

Same with Marshall Faulk and Issac Bruce, 3 guys that are some of the most respected to have ever played the game and will all end up in the HOF

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3244687

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/536958-cheating-as-much-as-patriot-fans-hate-to-hear-it-spygate-may-never-go-away

Of course Goodell is going to destroy the evidence and say that SB 36 wasn’t comprimised - Billions are bet on the SB and if any evidence came out that the outcome of the game was comprimised due to cheating, what would happen to the multi-Billion dollar industry known as the NFL?

It would cost them Billions, along with the gaming establishments.

Goodell fined Billicheck and the Patriots 750k and a 1st round pick for taping a regular season game practice. You don’t think this is the first and only time they did that?

And they certainly wouldn’t do it in the biggest game in franchise history at the time under Billicheck, would they?

HOF Running Back Marshall Faulk:

“Am I over the loss? Yeah, I’m over the loss. But I’ll never be over being cheated out of the Super Bowl. That’s a different story,” Faulk said, according to a story by Tom Curran of Comcast SportsNet New England. “I can understand losing a Super Bowl, that’s fine . . . But how things happened and what took place. Obviously, the commissioner gets to handle things how he wants to handle them but if they wanted us to shut up about what happened, show us the tapes. Don’t burn ‘em.”

Either that statement is slanderous and actionable, or it’s true.

The fact that neither the Patriots or the NFL chose to take legal actions for defamation speaks volumes.

“Faulk says the Rams installed new plays for the game against the Patriots, and that the Patriots seemed to be so perfectly prepared for them that Faulk believes they must have used espionage.

“I understand Bill is a great coach,” Faulk said. “But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran. . . . And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also . . . And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that. It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/30/marshall-faulk-patriots-cheated-the-rams-out-of-a-super-bowl/

Like I said, Kurt Warner is arguably the most honest, stand up guy ever to play in the NFL and the last guy to accuse anyone of cheating.

Same with Faulk and Issac Bruce and others that have said the same thing.

Have the Patriots won a SB since the Spygate scandal broke?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3246788

“Arlen Specter heard that explanation from Goodell on Wednesday. On Thursday, Specter said, “The words absurd and ridiculous keep coming to my mind because he [Goodell] says it with a straight face.”

Specter said it was unsettling to learn that the tapes, as well as notes, turned over by the Patriots in September had been destroyed in Foxborough, Mass., rather than in the league’s New York offices. Aiello said that the documents and tapes were destroyed after they were reviewed by NFL officials Jeffrey Pash and Ray Anderson and that the call to destroy the material came from Goodell, saying “There’s no further use for it, so he said get rid of it.”

Specter said the league’s suggestion that the material, particularly the notes dating to the 2002 season, was destroyed because it might have afforded a competitive advantage is unbelievable.

“Everything has changed,” he said. “Nobody could use those — they are scrap paper — except [as] evidence.”

With the evidence destroyed, Specter said there is no way to tell what advantage the Patriots might have gained in the illegal taping practice.”

Again, why destroy the evidence?

Would that fly in a court of law?

Of course not. Not only that, destroying evidence would land you in jail.

If there’s nothing to see, why was the evidence destroyed?

And that’s the evidence that was turned over to the NFL

What else wasn’t?

And again, anyone that thinks Billicheck did it just once is very naive or gullible.

The evidence against Billicheck and the Patriots is overwhelming. Too bad it was destroyed and no one except for a select few have seen it and that no one ever will, even US Congressman Arlen Spector and Patrick Leahy.


23 posted on 12/02/2013 12:24:04 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Paul Ryan shreds Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Whaaaaa!


24 posted on 12/02/2013 12:34:33 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: All

So apparently this Patriot Act turned out to be some massive surveillance by east coast liberals in the heartland.

Or did Brady just tell the guys to run where there wasn’t anyone hanging around and look for the football. This is how most people play football, it’s not rocket science.

I imagine this devilish plan to defend was essentially an instruction to stand around in different places than usual before the ball was snapped, then move to other different places later. Yeah, that’s gonna confuse Tom Brady a whole lot, dudes.

What was the plan against the guy who routinely kicks the 50 yard field goals, lower tops on the cheerleaders?


25 posted on 12/02/2013 1:57:06 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: cherry
I think the NFL elites "work" somethings out...

Sort of like professional wrestling.

26 posted on 12/02/2013 2:10:46 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

I’m sure that the day you stop beating your spouse the Patriots won’t be cheating.


27 posted on 12/02/2013 2:40:25 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: BenLurkin
Operative quote “Either teams are spying on us or scouting us,” from Smith. Evidently whiny loser thinks everyone is cheating cuz it can't be they just plain suck.
28 posted on 12/02/2013 2:44:18 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: All

No one can come up with a reasonable response as to why Goodell destroyed evidence, other than to say “sore loser”?

Amazing intellect on display here.

You don’t get fined 750k and lose a 1st round pick for nothing.

Some of you sound like Hillary “What difference does it make?” Clinton.


29 posted on 12/02/2013 2:49:14 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Paul Ryan shreds Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk)
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To: Peter ODonnell
"What was the plan against the guy who routinely kicks the 50 yard field goals, lower tops on the cheerleaders?"

No, but that would increase audience participation!

30 posted on 12/02/2013 3:05:31 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: cherry

Patriots all year long have started slowly against every team, and then almost always seem to come back in the second half with something like 21 unanswered points. I think the Miami game showed me the entire game is fixed for certain teams.


31 posted on 12/02/2013 3:29:54 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: cherry

Yeah. When the conspiracy theories just aren’t enough to encompass a politician, the Bilderbergs and Rothschilds have to bring sports into it.

I can see them inside the NFL control rooms now:

BILDERBERG: “Hey! We have a Texan who just ran into the Patriot’s punt returner!” (reaches to push the Penalty Button...)

ROTHSCHILD: Not so fast! Think of all the possible consequences of pushing that button right now. It is IMPORTANT that people somehow perceive that the Patriots are a team of destiny, so we have to make them think something or someone is on their side!”

BILDERBERG: “I just don’t understand this game of American Football! I thought that if I DID press the button to have the penalty called, then people would gripe about it because the Patriots get ALL the calls?” How does NOT calling an obvious penalty like running into the punt returner (and the non-call against the Panthers) somehow make the Patriots “The Chosen Ones”?

ROTHSCHILD: “It is reverse psychology, my inexperienced and dense old friend. Well, we have much to overcome. The National Enquirer found out about our NFL control room a few years ago, and we turned their near-disasterous disclosure into a nice windfall from Buffalo Wild Wings, who parodied it so effectively that the public ridiculed the Enquirer saying they got their idea for the story from the Buffalo Wild Wing ads. We lucked out, but all I am saying is, we need to be careful.”


32 posted on 12/02/2013 3:48:24 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Hahahahahaha!

My God, what a loser.


33 posted on 12/02/2013 3:50:05 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
"...Some of you sound like Hillary “What difference does it make?” Clinton...."

And some of us sound like:

"...Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers..."

34 posted on 12/02/2013 3:54:33 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Nice screed. Silly, but long.


35 posted on 12/02/2013 4:43:53 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Perdogg

It’s so funny to see all the little Patriot haters scurrying about whenever some loser accuses them of cheating. The truth is that the pat’s coaches are better at making both in-game and halftime adjustments than nearly anyone else, and Tom Brady is brilliant at executing them.


36 posted on 12/02/2013 4:50:54 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: rlmorel

Typical liberal type response. Resort to childish name-calling when you can’t refute the facts.

And you’re calling me a loser?

You must not have any mirrors in your house.


37 posted on 12/02/2013 6:49:38 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Paul Ryan shreds Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk)
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To: lepton

No, factual but long for the thick-headed.

What did I post that was “silly” or false?

Nothing.

Which is why you won’t refute it. Because you can’t.

Man up, or can’t you do that either?


38 posted on 12/02/2013 6:51:56 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Paul Ryan shreds Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

There’s a really good reason to destroy the tapes: they don’t matter anymore. Once the punishment was levied they were just tapes, not evidence, evidence is for crimes, there was no crime here, just violation of kind of stupid rules. Yes they broke the rules, and got punished, happens all the time. We’ve got multiple teams with cap penalties right now for violating the cap, they broke the rules and got punished. Does that make those teams evil forever more? No, means they broke the rules and got punished.


39 posted on 12/02/2013 6:53:19 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: castlegreyskull

They’re called half time adjustments, you see what your team is doing well and not, you see what the other team is doing well and not, and you tweak your plan accordingly. Belichick has a long history of being the half time adjustment master, he’s also the rematch master. He learns.


40 posted on 12/02/2013 6:55:44 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

LOL, I apologize. I just couldn’t resist it. My calling you and idiot had nothing to do with the facts, that is true. (referring to the facts of the secret cabal that is manipulating referees in real time to call games a certain way to benefit some and not others)

It was uncivil to call you a loser, not because you believe that, but because there was no call for it, to deliberately bait someone.

Your calling me a liberal (a typical ploy I have used on FR on occasion to deliberately anger someone) is simply a knee jerk response to my incivilty, and I excuse you for it, no apology necessary.


41 posted on 12/02/2013 7:26:16 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: cherry

Substitute “Mafia” for “elites” in your statement and I’d be inclined to agree.


42 posted on 12/02/2013 7:38:36 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

F U


43 posted on 12/02/2013 10:23:45 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

Stay classy


44 posted on 12/02/2013 10:29:05 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: big'ol_freeper

You too buddy, is it common practice for you to accuse others of beating their wives when they accuse your teams of cheating?


45 posted on 12/02/2013 10:30:24 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

46 posted on 12/02/2013 10:42:15 AM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

It is common practice to highlight when someone uses the Alinsky technique of throwing out an accusation that the accused has no way to prove is false by providing an accusation in the same vein. Yes. So, in that spirit, when are you going to stop beating your spouse?


47 posted on 12/02/2013 10:48:07 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: discostu

There is no good reason to destroy evidence, especially when Congress wants to see it and if the evidence is benign, why destroy it?

“Just violation of stupid rules” is being dismissive.

And it’s a lot different then cap violations.

Underplaying the fact that a team was caught cheating indicates that it wasn’t the first time, nor possibly the last.

“Once a cheater, always a cheater” right?

Why not make the tapes public and let the public decide if the games they are spending $100 a ticket on, plus $8.00 for a beer and $6.00 for a hot dog is legit or not?

Goodell didn’t want those tapes to see the light of day because they would have been damning and damaging to the integrity of the NFL

Billions are bet on the sport, just like Boxing and everyone knows how corrupt that sport has become and has been for many, many years.

It’s about the integrity of the game.

Destroying the evidence speaks volumes, but some people have their hands over their ears and simply don’t want to hear it.

Former 49ers owner was caught trying to bribe a sitting Governor for a Riverboat Gambling license with 400k in cash - if he bribed a sitting Governor, is it beyond the realm of beleivability to think that he just might have greased a few refs palms as well?

And how many teams do we have with cap violations right now?

Violate the cap rules and you lose a draft pick or more.

It’s not something that happens all the time.

Would you excuse similar behavior from the Obama administration?

I didn’t think so.


48 posted on 12/02/2013 11:11:36 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Paul Ryan shreds Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Actually, the Patriots were investigated for cheating and found guilty, so yes, they are cheaters. They lost a draft pick and Bellichick was fined $500K, so to say I was “throwing out an accusation” is false. They were in fact found to be cheaters by the NFL.

Maybe it’s you who was using the “Alinsky technique.” And, tough guy, I bet it’s really easy for you to accuse people of being wife beaters from the safety and anonymity of the internet. I’d bet you as much as you wanted you wouldn’t dare say that to my face. So, F U, scum.


49 posted on 12/02/2013 11:14:56 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

It’s none of Congress’ business. The fact that Congress started jabbering is a good reason to destroy the “evidence” right there, it’s a good way to tell them to mind their own business.

It’s not being dismissive, it’s putting the situation in scope. Rules get broken in sports, all the time, and when they get caught they get punished. But in the end it’s just sports, it doesn’t actually matter to the world, it doesn’t change anything that’s real or important.

No NOT “once a cheater always a cheater”, that’s a phrase used by morons.

There’s no reason to make the tapes public. For one thing it’s not really their business, for another making them public would further impede the rule that was trying to keep these things unavailable for taped review by coaches (who are part of “public”). And finally if there’s one thing to learn from the Pete Rose apologists it’s that even if you make the evidence public a good chunk of people will still make up their own version of events.

It’s not about the integrity of the game. In the end he violated a rule nobody knew existed, and nobody understood, and then a couple of years later they quietly got rid of the rule.

If the 49ers owner bribed any refs he didn’t get much for it, it’s not like they won the SB that year. And really that whole situation is very much besides the point.

The Cowboys and the Redskins are both being docked salary cap this year for past cap violations. And yes actually it does happen all the time, every couple of years somebody is getting busted, often times the Cowboys who have a fondness for incorrectly structuring bonuses.

And once again you go besides the point. Obama is president, his violations are of the law and Constitution and actually matter in the real world. Sports rule violations don’t.


50 posted on 12/02/2013 11:27:20 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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