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Selco On Collapse Survival: “Nature is Brutal… Everyone’s Life is In Danger”
SHTF School ^ | 12-13-13 | Selco

Posted on 12/13/2013 3:56:43 PM PST by dynachrome

Right (good, truth, God…) is on my side, I (we) will prevail, win, survive…

Forget it. Nobody cares for reasons and what is right and what is wrong when SHTF. If you think that you have an advantage just because you are good man you are so wrong.

The first thing that completely breaks apart is the concept of good will win or “fairness.” We only have these ideas because of living so far removed from nature.

Nature is brutal and good dead man is still a dead man. You’re gonna find yourself in situations when you wonder why this guy died and why this family vanished. People now hope for system, like epic fight of good vs evil. Not gonna happen.

Everyone’s life is in danger, we are just preparing to make it harder for nature and others to get ours.

And history is written by the winners, so do not trust too much in it. Very rarely are you gonna see the full and true story of survival without make up either because political or commercial reasons.

(Excerpt) Read more at shtfplan.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: preppers; selco; shtf; teotwawki
Selco lived thru it. His advice is worth reading.
1 posted on 12/13/2013 3:56:43 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: Kartographer

Selco ping.


2 posted on 12/13/2013 3:57:03 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

Immoral pride goes before the fall. I’ve seen criminal vanities splattered and bleeding all over the ground. Evil is not strength.


3 posted on 12/13/2013 4:02:21 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: dynachrome

Sounds like the author might have some problems in the afterlife.


4 posted on 12/13/2013 4:04:45 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: dynachrome

.


5 posted on 12/13/2013 4:05:41 PM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: mountainlion

Maybe. He lived during the civil war in the balkans in the ‘90s. He survived.


6 posted on 12/13/2013 4:10:05 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!

Hat tip to dynachrome for the heads up!


7 posted on 12/13/2013 4:41:34 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: dynachrome

Oh, this just simply sucks.


8 posted on 12/13/2013 4:42:53 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: familyop

From his other writings I’m guessing he’s referring to people being too trustand unwilling to recognize the evil in other people.


9 posted on 12/13/2013 4:48:36 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lazamataz

Ya, it is depressing. I can’t imagine living during what he endured. If the zombie apocalypse occurs, I have the feeling I would not do too well. Civil war ain’t very civil.


10 posted on 12/13/2013 5:00:46 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Lazamataz
Good evening.

Oh, this just simply sucks.

Yes it does. Act accordingly.

Have you got your bug out bag ready yet? Weapons?

Your means of exfiltration? Commo? No?

Have you forgot your training?

I know you haven't.

5.56mm

11 posted on 12/13/2013 5:17:15 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: SisterK

Always with the negative waves, Moriarty.


12 posted on 12/13/2013 5:21:36 PM PST by SisterK (wise men still seek Him)
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To: Lazamataz

I am so screwed


13 posted on 12/13/2013 5:25:45 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mountainlion

Most of us will (and I’m probably in that group).


14 posted on 12/13/2013 5:32:38 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lazamataz; Zeneta

Police State USA, Life During Wartime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYn9JF0TSgw


15 posted on 12/13/2013 5:44:12 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Lazamataz; JRandomFreeper; Old Sarge; greeneyes; Travis McGee
I will tell you a personal story that happened during the last hurricane we had, which was Ike. I have not told this to anyone until now but you, friends, need to know in case it happens to you.

When Ike came through, I/we was/were completely prepared, had it all, down to a TV that worked and a phone that worked. Had battery fans and dealt with the heat very well as we also had misting battery fans that cooled us very well. We had ice water all through those 5 days. Tasty, hot food. Good coffee.

What I didn't expect, was, my husband went bonkers. He was nervous, moving around all the time, drove around, came back, got in the car again and went to his son's house about 20 miles away to the east which was definitely in the hurricane area just as we were; Ike was a very large/wide hurricane. The son had sent his wife and two sons to Austin. For some reason, that section where he lived still had power while all around them it was out. That meant the son had air conditioning. That is ALL he had. Stores were closed and he had very little bottled water, just what was there before this hit. He figured he would just tough it out - and stay drunk as he is an alcoholic and his temper is very short when he is like that. Since he hadn't prepared, he bought no gas before hand and now drove around looking for something that was open to get water and other items until he was almost out of gas and had to go home. He was then stuck there with no gas. He must have the largest type Ford truck ever built and one must buy a gas station to have enough to fill it up with gas.

Husband came back from son's house and said let's go stay with son. I said that wasn’t a good idea as son (not my son but his) was not reliable and I didn't want to depend on him for anything. Husband insisted and insisted and insisted. I finally said it was fine if he went and I would be fine here. Then, the anger came and he pitched a fit. I did not respond in anger. I was not prepared for how he changed after the hurricane came through and he was not normal.

We had been married for years, worked together and had fun doing it, and he had not done this before - to be so nervous and unsettled and almost frantic and wanted away from the house to somewhere else. That is what gets a lot of people - “This is so bad I'll go somewhere else because it has to be better than here.” And, it seldom is and is the same or worse.

He decided not to go to the son's but I encouraged him to do that if that is what he wanted to do. Husband was someone I did not know.

Now, if we had been in a life or death situation, I would have had a problem. Leaving a perfectly supplied house with almost as many conveniences as you always had, to go where it is worse, ON PURPOSE, shows the person is not thinking right. What would you do about that? Say your wife wanted out of that house or cabin or wherever you were in a real life and death situation, what would you do? What if she had a fit and was screaming a you and demanding you take her somewhere else?

I knew husband wasn't going to be killed if he left, but what would I have done if he could be killed in a SHTF situation and he was still determined to leave?

I have thought about this many times. You think you know your spouse, but you really don't as an emergency has different effects on different people. In an emergency, I have always been calm and have a plan. If it is something for which I have not planned, my mind works fast to determine the best action quickly. I have not panicked as there is always SOMETHING that can be done to help the situation. At 80, with all the emergency situations that have arisen in my life, I have never panicked.

When the weather channel said, and this was earlier this year, a tornado was sitting on top of my town and they didn't know if it was going to drop to the ground and tornados had already dropped down in this area that evening, that “mother” (fill in the blank) was there and auto phone message came from the town to take cover and the weather channel was saying, “Take Cover”!. Tornado plan went into effect that minute. I gathered the items I needed plus a very large cushion that was big enough it filled the downstairs bathroom, the safest place in the house, a backpack was already in there with a battery radio and other items and I picked up the Yorkie, went in there, took my motorcycle helmet out of the cabinet under the sink, put it on, pulled the large cushion on top of us and waited. If we weren't killed but the house fell down, that backpack would keep us alive for three days if we couldn't get out of the bathroom by ourselves. It was automatic for me to do that as I had practiced that before and had done it for real before.

Why a motorcycle helmet? More deaths are caused by head injuries in a tornado than any other reason. Glory be, even Homeland Security on their website says have a helmet for tornados. I was about 75 when I went in Walmart to the motorcycle helmets and tried them until I had one that fit me. Did it look silly for an older woman to be trying on helmets? I didn’t care as it would be MY head in danger and tough cookie if they didn’t have one.

Think about, in a SHTF situation, how to handle a spouse who isn’t thinking right and children who may freak out also and their behavior changes.

16 posted on 12/13/2013 6:22:28 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

I already know what would happen with people who freak out during SHTF.

I just haven’t told them what it is...


17 posted on 12/13/2013 6:39:33 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Kartographer; dynachrome

I think I actually read this one before. I think it might have been reposted on SHTFplan from SHTFschool.

Whatever the origins, Mr. Selco is right. One thing I’ve come to realize is that people can really suck. And if things go down, most people WILL suck. You will probably be amazed that you got along with anybody, pre-SHTF, if you survive.


18 posted on 12/13/2013 6:47:16 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: dynachrome; mountainlion

If I recall correctly, Selco said in another article that every person who survived the Balkans crisis seemed to have a story where he acted, shall we say, unethically.

Maybe one person killed another one for food. Maybe a starving couple stole food from another family. Maybe somebody shot a dog and ate him.

Whatever the case may have been, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


19 posted on 12/13/2013 7:13:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I think he is saying we don’t know how people, including ourselves, will react to something like he went thru, but nothing will be “normal”


20 posted on 12/13/2013 7:22:13 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Marcella

Our biggest problem here in. Florida during hurricanes is boredom


21 posted on 12/13/2013 8:11:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Marcella

I might spike the coffee with sleeping pills. I am not one to panic either. Usually, I try to be prepared.

I do however, worry that one day something unexpected will happen, and I will panic and do something really stupid, cause you never know for sure how you’ll react until you have faced a situation or something very similar.


22 posted on 12/13/2013 8:29:50 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for the ping. I just wanted to mention that Emergency Essentials has several items on sale. I don’t know how their sale prices compare with other sites, as I haven’t had time to check it out.


23 posted on 12/13/2013 8:32:00 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

That is quite a story. I wish to thank you on behalf of the many people who have never considered that aspect of their marriage.


24 posted on 12/13/2013 8:39:21 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Marcella

Thanks for sharing Marcella.
My father in law has dementia but is generally upbeat and happy to be in the company of his family. Occasionally, something will darken his mood and he can be very difficult to calm. He is still an imposing man though up in years and he scares his wife when this happens. She has learned to slip him a Mickey to calm him. (Xanax or Valium)

Anxiety can be managed but if it leans towards violence or self destructive actions one should be prepared to subdue and restrain the person for everyone’s well being. Hospitals do this and even the astronauts have a contingency plan for a psychiatric emergency in space.

I think a stun gun is a valuable tool and duct tape is critical. The mindset to act is sharpest when considered ahead of a bad situation.

FReegards!


25 posted on 12/14/2013 2:40:07 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: greeneyes
I do however, worry that one day something unexpected will happen, and I will panic and do something really stupid, cause you never know for sure how you’ll react until you have faced a situation or something very similar.

That's a very insightful thought.

I have noticed that during an emergency everyone's IQ seems to drop about twenty points. The only remedy I'm aware of is detailed prior planning. People always default to what they know when facing what they don't.

People in my line of work have noticed this for years. We move up the ladder of responsibility in an orderly and predictable fashion. When someone moves up to a new position and encounters a problem they're not prepared to handle, they invariably default back to their prior position and start carrying out the tasks of that position even though there is a junior person already doing those tasks.

I think Jack Spirco's concentric rings of disaster is an excellent model to begin ones planning efforts.

26 posted on 12/14/2013 3:44:09 AM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Right (good, truth, God…) is on my side, I (we) will prevail, win, survive…

Forget it. Nobody cares for reasons and what is right and what is wrong when SHTF. If you think that you have an advantage just because you are good man you are so wrong.

This is totally wrong is my point. Nothing like this happened in my area during the Colorado flooding. People got together to pull together. The thieves were pretty well known and watched. There was enough to go around and the government brought in more. I don’t believe in this hate and discontent author.


27 posted on 12/14/2013 5:32:19 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Marcella

Taze the spouse.

It’s the only way to be sure.


28 posted on 12/14/2013 6:08:08 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Marcella; Marci; basil; The Bat Ladys Husband

Thank you so much Marcella for your story. just wow!

I have followed your prepper advice for a long time here on FR. I had NO IDEA that you were 80. All I can say is that you have given me much to think about.

My hubby and I prep together and have recently gone Galt so I wouldn’t expect the two of us to have a nervous breakdown but now I can see that it can happen.

I liked the idea of stun gun and duct tape. Good advice on this thread.


29 posted on 12/14/2013 7:16:43 AM PST by The Bat Lady (Can't feed the bears in Yellowstone, they lose the desire to hunt. But welfare is OK.)
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To: The Bat Lady

“I have followed your prepper advice for a long time here on FR. I had NO IDEA that you were 80. My hubby and I prep together and have recently gone Galt so I wouldn’t expect the two of us to have a nervous breakdown but now I can see that it can happen.”

Just forget the 80, it doesn’t mean anything to me. My husband was 11 years younger than I am and people thought he was the older one. When I have to go to a new doctor, I tell him, I am not the person he is seeing on the surface, that the dermatologist says my skin didn’t wrinkle due to good genes and staying out of the sun. I tell him my parts are 80 underneath this skin.

I hope what I have posted about prepping has helped you. I write prepper articles on Survival Podcast and they start at this link:

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=24168.0


30 posted on 12/14/2013 8:20:11 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: dynachrome

bttt


31 posted on 12/14/2013 8:58:37 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Marcella
Did it look silly for an older woman to be trying on helmets?

Not to me. If I saw a 75yr woman trying on motorcycle helmet not knowing why she was buying it I would have been impressed. WOW,an old lady who rides a motorcycle!

32 posted on 12/14/2013 10:08:25 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Maybe somebody shot a dog and ate him.

I have a friend who ate dog when he was in Vietnam. He said it was quite good. He was a radioman for a Vietnamese ranger unit and they had their own cook with them and they ate dog every once in awhile.

He said their cook could kill and Field dress a wild pig before it stopped squealing.

33 posted on 12/14/2013 10:16:33 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: mountainlion

You were surrounded by places in Colorado that were doing perfectly fine. Selco’s entire country collapsed. I’m not sure how well you would have fared, if not only the mountain areas and Boulder were down, but also Denver, Fort Collins, Cheyenne, Albuquerque, St. George, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Kansas City, etc.


34 posted on 12/14/2013 10:38:32 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It seems to me that the Balkins was a war where the muslim Barbarians were performing their ethnic clenching and not really a civil war. The only type of anything like a civil war here would be a coordinated government attack against the people since there is no muslim majority. The mountains are a good place to defend a country: Afghanistan comes to mind. I think this community could hold out for a year or so without the goberment.
35 posted on 12/14/2013 12:32:54 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SisterK

Every trime I watch that movie, I try to figure out why there’s a guy messing around with a Mosin-Nagant 91-30 sniper rifle in one scene.


36 posted on 12/14/2013 12:48:35 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog

and everytime I watch that movie, I wonder if the music is a little post WWII
no time for historical or technical accuracy


37 posted on 12/14/2013 1:39:35 PM PST by SisterK (wise men still seek Him)
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To: SisterK

Lalo Schifren and Hank Williams, Jr. The M-N was involved in WW2, but these troops hadn’t yet hooked up with the Soviets. I wondered if maybe the US made M-Ns could be involved, but research says no.


38 posted on 12/14/2013 1:45:48 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: papertyger

I am familiar with Concentric Circles of Security, Concentric Circles of Fear, Concentric Circles of Urban development, and Adleson and Gray’s Concentric Circles of disaster.

However I am not familiar with Jack Spiro and his particular theories. The model I have followed has been to concentrate first on self and family, then neighborhood, then city, then county, then state, then national and finally International.

I have more control over self and family than anything else, but the plans and likely actions of the rest of the world has to be considered, while I may have some influence due to civic activities and volunteer work, those circles are not under my control.


39 posted on 12/14/2013 9:57:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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