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Tiger Mom: Some cultural groups are superior
NY Post ^ | January 4, 2014 | Maureen Callahan

Posted on 01/05/2014 5:27:03 AM PST by BlueStateRightist

She’s doubling down. Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed “Tiger Mom” who, in 2011, published a book arguing that Chinese women are superior mothers — thus their offspring superior children — has even more to say. In “The Triple Package,” Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, gather some specious stats and anecdotal evidence to argue that some groups are just superior to others and everyone else is contributing to the downfall of America.

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KEYWORDS: chua; tigermom
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An un-PC author riles up this liberal book reviewer.
1 posted on 01/05/2014 5:27:03 AM PST by BlueStateRightist
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To: BlueStateRightist

I think the Bell Curve covered that factually too.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 5:28:30 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it stood.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Well, the author is definitely right.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 5:30:26 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: BlueStateRightist
Tiger Moms: when you enter a bookstore, try not to scream at your kids, the booksellers and people in your way. This is not China and your big mouths and undecipherable accents are unappreciated.

There's more to civilization and success than hitting the books.

4 posted on 01/05/2014 5:31:00 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: BlueStateRightist

IQs are not evenly distributed in the world. Of course, this could just mean that the smart people left Africa.


5 posted on 01/05/2014 5:34:05 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: BlueStateRightist
The Post is very right-wing, thank God. Don't know the reviewer’s bona fides, though.

She left off the black Caribbeans who come to New York City. Smart, savvy, polite, unbelievably hard-working, clean (their cabs are amazing!) and without the notorious chip on the shoulder of your average African American.

6 posted on 01/05/2014 5:37:58 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: BlueStateRightist

I think it means that people who grow up with solid moral values and a clear understanding of where they left and why - are successful and focused. I work with kids, some Asian, and I have seen much in Asian parenting that borders on child abuse.

I do agree with her statement that counter-cultural people who have NOT bought into the 1960s mentality and accompanying cultural aberrations are also on solid ground. The aging 60s folks in these parts (so Cal) have that Land of the Lotus Eaters aura, to me.

Pajama Boy is also what she is referring to.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 5:40:27 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Where is that Captain Obvious pic? Anyone with common sense knows this.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 5:45:47 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: BlueStateRightist
All people who carry their own weight are superior to those who don't.
That goes across all demographics.

9 posted on 01/05/2014 5:48:42 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: miss marmelstein
Tiger Moms: when you enter a bookstore, try not to scream at your kids, the booksellers and people in your way. This is not China and your big mouths and undecipherable accents are unappreciated.

Voice inflection and emphasis is part of the linguistic structure of the Chinese dialects and other Asian languages. What sounds like anger and rudeness to the western ear is SOP in the Chinese community where the same sound has a different meaning depending upon how it is pronounced.

10 posted on 01/05/2014 5:50:21 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: House Atreides

She can always move to China if she wants to be with her own kind.

Since it’s so wonderful and all.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 5:51:15 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: BlueStateRightist

This Tiger Mom thing is garbage

I will use my own anecdotal evidence

There was a Chinese couple in our community

The mother was so hard on the daughter, demanding she win piano competitions, get all As and basically have no life, that she and her daughter got in an argument in the kitchen and the daughter stabbed her with a kitchen knife. Tiger Mom dead, daughter in jail.


12 posted on 01/05/2014 5:51:20 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: All

If Chinese mothers are so superior why is China so terrible???

Checkmate, chinatown


13 posted on 01/05/2014 5:53:59 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: BlueStateRightist

The funny thing is, this is a Chinese mom (Democrat, like most Chinese) married to a Jewish husband (likely Democrat, like most Jews). Would they ever allow large numbers of blacks and hispanics in their schools for their precious mischling? Not likely.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 5:55:18 AM PST by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: BlueStateRightist

This biggest argument against Tiger Moms is how many of the daughters marry outside their culture. It’s a truly suffocating environment.


15 posted on 01/05/2014 5:55:38 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: BlueStateRightist

“Tiger Mom: Some cultural groups are superior”

That is just a fact. The sad fact is American culture in now down close to the bottom of the barrel. Maybe one or two steps above the middle east.


16 posted on 01/05/2014 5:58:11 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: BlueStateRightist

for later


17 posted on 01/05/2014 5:59:29 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: BlueStateRightist

GDP per capita : China $9,000. Mexico $15,000

China is really poor, even now. What we are seeing is a matter of immigration policies.

There’s just a lot more to a social wealth than cramming for exams.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 6:00:12 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: BlueStateRightist

Other than internet scams what to the Nigerians excel at?


19 posted on 01/05/2014 6:00:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: BlueStateRightist

RE: Some cultural groups are superior

Some cultures value the commandment — LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, some prefer to EAT THEIR NEIGHBORS. Are we to believe that one is not superior to the other?


20 posted on 01/05/2014 6:01:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: BlueStateRightist

The premise is definitely captain obvious and it applies to anyone regardless of race, religion etc. I like how she calls out the fact that cultural and religious groups that encourage these behaviors are more successful, this is the non-PC part and it is 100% correct!

Black Americans prove this premise in their total failure as a group completely dependent on government handouts, corporate and educational diversity free rides.

The few blacks that are successful have to fight against the tide of complete and utter failure of almost everyone they are related to or are friends with. The fact that a few can rise above this is nothing short of a miracle. It saddens me to see blacks enslaved in this way and treated like children by the very people they constantly vote into office.


21 posted on 01/05/2014 6:04:43 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: SeekAndFind

RE: Some cultural groups are superior

Some cultures value the commandment — LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, some prefer to EAT THEIR NEIGHBORS. Are we to believe that one is not superior to the other?
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And SOME cultures feed their neighbor (or Uncle) to starving, ravenous dogs.


22 posted on 01/05/2014 6:06:10 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: bboop

I work with kids, some Asian, and I have seen much in Asian parenting that borders on child abuse.

My Father who is Chinese, and who loved me, did not believe in the BS ideology of parent as “friend”. He would have been put in jail today for some of the corrective action he took to keep me on the straight and narrow. I thank him for that as a productive, law abiding citizen, with good moral judgement and a high educational achievement.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 6:07:00 AM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: BlueStateRightist

Note that she said “culture”’ not “race”.

The Obama culture is based on lies, fakery, Nike shoes, and failure.

That can change, but it will have to come from within.

And it will certainly not come from the dork himself.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 6:11:19 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: BlueStateRightist

Being married to a Chinese woman, she believes that an education is a sure way to invest in yourself. And she is a hard core Conservative and loves this country... She calls Obama Chairman Mao....


25 posted on 01/05/2014 6:12:04 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Labyrinthos; miss marmelstein

“Voice inflection and emphasis is part of the linguistic structure of the Chinese dialects and other Asian languages. What sounds like anger and rudeness to the western ear is SOP in the Chinese community where the same sound has a different meaning depending upon how it is pronounced.”

I have also noticed that the Chinese seem to converse by talking all at once, as apposed to one at a time. This conversation style is also applied to their English-speaking conversations, and completely befuddles the English (first-language) speakers. Q: Have Chinese developed a parallel-communication conversational language, or are they simply not listening to each other?


26 posted on 01/05/2014 6:14:19 AM PST by OldCountryBoy (You can't make this stuff up!)
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To: House Atreides

RE: And SOME cultures feed their neighbor (or Uncle) to starving, ravenous dogs.

So true, and some cultures value suicide bombings over life, and honor family members who actually blow themselves up.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 6:19:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: BlueStateRightist

Chua and Rubenfeld?

What do you get when you have a traditional Chinese and a traditional Jew as parents?


28 posted on 01/05/2014 6:21:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: sunrise_sunset
She can always move to China if she wants to be with her own kind.
Since it’s so wonderful and all.

HEAVENS NO!!! Then she would have to put up or shut up.

HERE she can whine her heart out without having to DO anything.

I have an ex-friend who hates San Francisco but won't move back to North Dakota because it's too cold AND she has 1001 excuses why she can't afford to leave and move to a warmer climate. She's the same as this Chinese woman whiner...MUCH easier to whine and whine and whine than DO anything to change.

We all KNOW that she won't be happy ANYWHERE she is. The glass is ALWAYS half empty.

29 posted on 01/05/2014 6:22:04 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: BlueStateRightist

So, how are her kids turning out since she wrote the book?


30 posted on 01/05/2014 6:24:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: miss marmelstein
Tiger Moms: when you enter a bookstore, try not to scream at your kids, the booksellers and people in your way. This is not China and your big mouths and undecipherable accents are unappreciated. There's more to civilization and success than hitting the books.

Well, I guess you have encountered the Chinese mother. Isn't she SWEET??

31 posted on 01/05/2014 6:24:58 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: BitWielder1
All people who carry their own weight are superior to those who don't.
That goes across all demographics.

Amen.

32 posted on 01/05/2014 6:26:27 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Tupelo

Just give us time. We’ll get there (to the bottom).


33 posted on 01/05/2014 6:27:22 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: sunrise_sunset

RE: She can always move to China if she wants to be with her own kind.

I found her background quite interesting:

From Wikipedia:

Chua was born in Champaign, Illinois. Her parents were ethnic Chinese from the Philippines who emigrated to the United States. She has Hoklo ancestry and was raised in a Hokkien-speaking, not a Mandarin Chinese-speaking household. Her ancestors (including her grandparents and her mother) were born in Southern China’s Fujian province.

Amy’s father, Leon O. Chua, is an Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and is known as a leading authority on nonlinear circuit theory and cellular neural networks, and as the discoverer of the memristor.

Chua’s mother was born in China in 1936, before relocating to the Philippines at the age of 2.

She subsequently converted to Catholicism in high school and graduated from the University of Santo Tomas, with a degree in chemical engineering, magna cum laude.

She was raised as a Roman Catholic and lived in West Lafayette, Indiana.

When she was eight years old, her family moved to Berkeley, California. Chua went to El Cerrito High School and graduated magna cum laude with an A.B. in Economics from Harvard College in 1984. She obtained her J.D. cum laude in 1987 from Harvard Law School, where she was an Executive Editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Chua lives in New Haven, Connecticut and is married to Yale Law School professor Jed Rubenfeld. She has two daughters, Sophia and Louisa (”Lulu”).

Chua, whose husband is Jewish, has stated that her children can speak Chinese, and they have been “raised Jewish”.

She is the eldest of four sisters: Michelle, Katrin, and Cynthia. Katrin is a physician and a professor at Stanford University School of Medicine.

Cynthia, who has Down Syndrome, holds two International Special Olympics gold medals in swimming.

Her own kind exist RIGHT HERE in the USA ( albeit in the minority)


34 posted on 01/05/2014 6:27:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Chua and Rubenfeld?
What do you get when you have a traditional Chinese and a traditional Jew as parents?

Either a best selling author or a HUGE bomb-stinker.

35 posted on 01/05/2014 6:28:40 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I have had a problem with Chinese women ever since my days travelling in Lower Manhattan (Chinatown). The crudest individuals I have ever met. And some of the worst, most dishonest storekeepers going.


36 posted on 01/05/2014 6:29:32 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: House Atreides
And SOME cultures feed their neighbor (or Uncle) to starving, ravenous dogs.

Ah, you read about that. Appalling. Satan must have been HARD at work on that one.

37 posted on 01/05/2014 6:30:07 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: miss marmelstein

RE: The crudest individuals I have ever met. And some of the worst, most dishonest storekeepers going.

Funny, I’ve heard that said of Jewish merchants as well...


38 posted on 01/05/2014 6:30:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: miss marmelstein

I worked with some ladies from the American Virgin Islands, many years ago. They were from a well to do family. Well mannered, stunningly attractive, and entrancing accents.


39 posted on 01/05/2014 6:33:56 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: OldCountryBoy

I really don’t care what their parallel communication system is. I just want them to shut up, stop pushing and cheating people who want to buy a Peking Duck on Canal Street. Oh, and occasionally cleaning the toilets in restaurants in Chinatown. It’s America, not China.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 6:34:44 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
I have had a problem with Chinese women ever since my days travelling in Lower Manhattan (Chinatown). The crudest individuals I have ever met. And some of the worst, most dishonest storekeepers going.

I've always found that one can judge MUCH by how a society treats its women. So, it's NOT surprising that Chinese women are some of the "crudest" and "worst, most dishonest storekeepers going."

It's true for FOBs (Fresh off the Boeing) and CIAs (Chinese in America) but NOT, I believe, for ABCs--American-born Chinese. Maybe I'm wrong.

41 posted on 01/05/2014 6:34:46 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I have known and lived with Chinese people all over Asia and in the US. Amy Chua got her publishing start with her book on overseas Chinese, which is very good indeed. This is not a new theme for her at all.
In Asia you see the proof of her thesis. In places like Malaysia the Chinese dominate the useful roles in society through sheer superior competence in spite of discrimination against them. They don’t do this by being sweet, they are tough, hard, focused. Get over your annoyance. This emotional reaction to them is a losers response.


42 posted on 01/05/2014 6:34:56 AM PST by buwaya
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To: SeekAndFind

Really? That’s funny. I’ve never been cheated by a Jew in my life.


43 posted on 01/05/2014 6:35:28 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Also, those Chinese women were taught to be that way by their oh-so-sweet (NOT) mothers.


44 posted on 01/05/2014 6:36:33 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: buwaya

I doubt cloudmountain is a loser or is having a loser response. You like Chinese people - good for you. We’ve had other experiences. That’s what makes Free Republic a loser-free zone. We bring vastly different experiences to this site and it’s exciting to read about them. No need to put anyone down.


45 posted on 01/05/2014 6:39:51 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

That’s what they say in Malaysia Indonesia and the Philippines too, those people that are too trivial to see the important things. Like why they are losing the important competitions. Ignore such trivialities and notice their strengths.


46 posted on 01/05/2014 6:40:10 AM PST by buwaya
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To: Labyrinthos
Inflections go up and down, according to the kind of Chinese one speaks but there is NO mistaking SCREAMING. There is no "screaming" inflection in any of the Han Chinese dialects.
There IS emphadsis WITHOUT screaming.

I took some basic Chinese years ago. The instructor had been in my Aerobics class and invited me to learn some Chinese. So, I did.
She was a WEALTH of information. She NEVER raised her voice in ALL her teaching and pronunciations in Mandarin or Cantonese. Screaming was NOT part of Chinese.

47 posted on 01/05/2014 6:41:40 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I love the story about the tiger mom who kept ripping up her child’s Christmas card until she made one that came up to mama’s standards. Oh, how Christian! I shudder at the thought of the sensitive kid who grows up in such a household. Another poster child for Gay America or another mass killer.


48 posted on 01/05/2014 6:42:51 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cloudmountain

These people for the most part are first or second generation out of the crude depths of peasant culture. Some are nouveau riche and have no social polish.
But these objections are trivial. Diamonds look awful without polish but are still diamonds.


49 posted on 01/05/2014 6:43:37 AM PST by buwaya
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To: BlueStateRightist

Interesting and probably true.


50 posted on 01/05/2014 6:45:28 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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