Skip to comments.Tiger Mom: Some cultural groups are superior
Posted on 01/05/2014 5:27:03 AM PST by BlueStateRightist
Shes doubling down. Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed Tiger Mom who, in 2011, published a book arguing that Chinese women are superior mothers thus their offspring superior children has even more to say. In The Triple Package, Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, gather some specious stats and anecdotal evidence to argue that some groups are just superior to others and everyone else is contributing to the downfall of America.
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I think the Bell Curve covered that factually too.
Well, the author is definitely right.
There's more to civilization and success than hitting the books.
IQs are not evenly distributed in the world. Of course, this could just mean that the smart people left Africa.
She left off the black Caribbeans who come to New York City. Smart, savvy, polite, unbelievably hard-working, clean (their cabs are amazing!) and without the notorious chip on the shoulder of your average African American.
I think it means that people who grow up with solid moral values and a clear understanding of where they left and why - are successful and focused. I work with kids, some Asian, and I have seen much in Asian parenting that borders on child abuse.
I do agree with her statement that counter-cultural people who have NOT bought into the 1960s mentality and accompanying cultural aberrations are also on solid ground. The aging 60s folks in these parts (so Cal) have that Land of the Lotus Eaters aura, to me.
Pajama Boy is also what she is referring to.
Where is that Captain Obvious pic? Anyone with common sense knows this.
Voice inflection and emphasis is part of the linguistic structure of the Chinese dialects and other Asian languages. What sounds like anger and rudeness to the western ear is SOP in the Chinese community where the same sound has a different meaning depending upon how it is pronounced.
She can always move to China if she wants to be with her own kind.
Since it’s so wonderful and all.
This Tiger Mom thing is garbage
I will use my own anecdotal evidence
There was a Chinese couple in our community
The mother was so hard on the daughter, demanding she win piano competitions, get all As and basically have no life, that she and her daughter got in an argument in the kitchen and the daughter stabbed her with a kitchen knife. Tiger Mom dead, daughter in jail.
If Chinese mothers are so superior why is China so terrible???
The funny thing is, this is a Chinese mom (Democrat, like most Chinese) married to a Jewish husband (likely Democrat, like most Jews). Would they ever allow large numbers of blacks and hispanics in their schools for their precious mischling? Not likely.
This biggest argument against Tiger Moms is how many of the daughters marry outside their culture. It’s a truly suffocating environment.
“Tiger Mom: Some cultural groups are superior”
That is just a fact. The sad fact is American culture in now down close to the bottom of the barrel. Maybe one or two steps above the middle east.
GDP per capita : China $9,000. Mexico $15,000
China is really poor, even now. What we are seeing is a matter of immigration policies.
There’s just a lot more to a social wealth than cramming for exams.
Other than internet scams what to the Nigerians excel at?
RE: Some cultural groups are superior
Some cultures value the commandment — LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, some prefer to EAT THEIR NEIGHBORS. Are we to believe that one is not superior to the other?
The premise is definitely captain obvious and it applies to anyone regardless of race, religion etc. I like how she calls out the fact that cultural and religious groups that encourage these behaviors are more successful, this is the non-PC part and it is 100% correct!
Black Americans prove this premise in their total failure as a group completely dependent on government handouts, corporate and educational diversity free rides.
The few blacks that are successful have to fight against the tide of complete and utter failure of almost everyone they are related to or are friends with. The fact that a few can rise above this is nothing short of a miracle. It saddens me to see blacks enslaved in this way and treated like children by the very people they constantly vote into office.
RE: Some cultural groups are superior
Some cultures value the commandment LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, some prefer to EAT THEIR NEIGHBORS. Are we to believe that one is not superior to the other?
And SOME cultures feed their neighbor (or Uncle) to starving, ravenous dogs.
I work with kids, some Asian, and I have seen much in Asian parenting that borders on child abuse.
My Father who is Chinese, and who loved me, did not believe in the BS ideology of parent as “friend”. He would have been put in jail today for some of the corrective action he took to keep me on the straight and narrow. I thank him for that as a productive, law abiding citizen, with good moral judgement and a high educational achievement.
Note that she said “culture”’ not “race”.
The Obama culture is based on lies, fakery, Nike shoes, and failure.
That can change, but it will have to come from within.
And it will certainly not come from the dork himself.
Being married to a Chinese woman, she believes that an education is a sure way to invest in yourself. And she is a hard core Conservative and loves this country... She calls Obama Chairman Mao....
“Voice inflection and emphasis is part of the linguistic structure of the Chinese dialects and other Asian languages. What sounds like anger and rudeness to the western ear is SOP in the Chinese community where the same sound has a different meaning depending upon how it is pronounced.”
I have also noticed that the Chinese seem to converse by talking all at once, as apposed to one at a time. This conversation style is also applied to their English-speaking conversations, and completely befuddles the English (first-language) speakers. Q: Have Chinese developed a parallel-communication conversational language, or are they simply not listening to each other?
RE: And SOME cultures feed their neighbor (or Uncle) to starving, ravenous dogs.
So true, and some cultures value suicide bombings over life, and honor family members who actually blow themselves up.
Chua and Rubenfeld?
What do you get when you have a traditional Chinese and a traditional Jew as parents?
HEAVENS NO!!! Then she would have to put up or shut up.
HERE she can whine her heart out without having to DO anything.
I have an ex-friend who hates San Francisco but won't move back to North Dakota because it's too cold AND she has 1001 excuses why she can't afford to leave and move to a warmer climate. She's the same as this Chinese woman whiner...MUCH easier to whine and whine and whine than DO anything to change.
We all KNOW that she won't be happy ANYWHERE she is. The glass is ALWAYS half empty.
So, how are her kids turning out since she wrote the book?
Well, I guess you have encountered the Chinese mother. Isn't she SWEET??
Just give us time. We’ll get there (to the bottom).
RE: She can always move to China if she wants to be with her own kind.
I found her background quite interesting:
Chua was born in Champaign, Illinois. Her parents were ethnic Chinese from the Philippines who emigrated to the United States. She has Hoklo ancestry and was raised in a Hokkien-speaking, not a Mandarin Chinese-speaking household. Her ancestors (including her grandparents and her mother) were born in Southern China’s Fujian province.
Amy’s father, Leon O. Chua, is an Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and is known as a leading authority on nonlinear circuit theory and cellular neural networks, and as the discoverer of the memristor.
Chua’s mother was born in China in 1936, before relocating to the Philippines at the age of 2.
She subsequently converted to Catholicism in high school and graduated from the University of Santo Tomas, with a degree in chemical engineering, magna cum laude.
She was raised as a Roman Catholic and lived in West Lafayette, Indiana.
When she was eight years old, her family moved to Berkeley, California. Chua went to El Cerrito High School and graduated magna cum laude with an A.B. in Economics from Harvard College in 1984. She obtained her J.D. cum laude in 1987 from Harvard Law School, where she was an Executive Editor of the Harvard Law Review.
Chua lives in New Haven, Connecticut and is married to Yale Law School professor Jed Rubenfeld. She has two daughters, Sophia and Louisa (”Lulu”).
Chua, whose husband is Jewish, has stated that her children can speak Chinese, and they have been “raised Jewish”.
She is the eldest of four sisters: Michelle, Katrin, and Cynthia. Katrin is a physician and a professor at Stanford University School of Medicine.
Cynthia, who has Down Syndrome, holds two International Special Olympics gold medals in swimming.
Her own kind exist RIGHT HERE in the USA ( albeit in the minority)
Either a best selling author or a HUGE bomb-stinker.
I have had a problem with Chinese women ever since my days travelling in Lower Manhattan (Chinatown). The crudest individuals I have ever met. And some of the worst, most dishonest storekeepers going.
Ah, you read about that. Appalling. Satan must have been HARD at work on that one.
RE: The crudest individuals I have ever met. And some of the worst, most dishonest storekeepers going.
Funny, I’ve heard that said of Jewish merchants as well...
I worked with some ladies from the American Virgin Islands, many years ago. They were from a well to do family. Well mannered, stunningly attractive, and entrancing accents.
I really don’t care what their parallel communication system is. I just want them to shut up, stop pushing and cheating people who want to buy a Peking Duck on Canal Street. Oh, and occasionally cleaning the toilets in restaurants in Chinatown. It’s America, not China.
I've always found that one can judge MUCH by how a society treats its women. So, it's NOT surprising that Chinese women are some of the "crudest" and "worst, most dishonest storekeepers going."
It's true for FOBs (Fresh off the Boeing) and CIAs (Chinese in America) but NOT, I believe, for ABCs--American-born Chinese. Maybe I'm wrong.
I have known and lived with Chinese people all over Asia and in the US. Amy Chua got her publishing start with her book on overseas Chinese, which is very good indeed. This is not a new theme for her at all.
In Asia you see the proof of her thesis. In places like Malaysia the Chinese dominate the useful roles in society through sheer superior competence in spite of discrimination against them. They don’t do this by being sweet, they are tough, hard, focused. Get over your annoyance. This emotional reaction to them is a losers response.
Really? That’s funny. I’ve never been cheated by a Jew in my life.
Also, those Chinese women were taught to be that way by their oh-so-sweet (NOT) mothers.
I doubt cloudmountain is a loser or is having a loser response. You like Chinese people - good for you. We’ve had other experiences. That’s what makes Free Republic a loser-free zone. We bring vastly different experiences to this site and it’s exciting to read about them. No need to put anyone down.
That’s what they say in Malaysia Indonesia and the Philippines too, those people that are too trivial to see the important things. Like why they are losing the important competitions. Ignore such trivialities and notice their strengths.
I took some basic Chinese years ago. The instructor had been in my Aerobics class and invited me to learn some Chinese. So, I did.
She was a WEALTH of information. She NEVER raised her voice in ALL her teaching and pronunciations in Mandarin or Cantonese. Screaming was NOT part of Chinese.
I love the story about the tiger mom who kept ripping up her child’s Christmas card until she made one that came up to mama’s standards. Oh, how Christian! I shudder at the thought of the sensitive kid who grows up in such a household. Another poster child for Gay America or another mass killer.
These people for the most part are first or second generation out of the crude depths of peasant culture. Some are nouveau riche and have no social polish.
But these objections are trivial. Diamonds look awful without polish but are still diamonds.
Interesting and probably true.