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The growing elitism of Catholic education
Catholic Review ^ | 1/7/14 | Dr. Bianchi

Posted on 01/07/2014 11:43:40 AM PST by Welchie25

One of the hot topics during our family’s Christmas gathering was Catholic education. My niece is a senior in high school, and as with everyone her age, she is consumed with selecting a college. Her parents are allowing her some freedom, but prefer that she attends a college with a good, Catholic environment.

They were all impressed with Catholic University of America. For my sister and brother-in-law, it was local and had a good religious atmosphere, and for my niece, it had solid academic programs and quick access to the city.

I spent many years at CUA, earning my doctorate, and my sister asked my opinion of the school. I enjoyed my time there, and heartily approved. Then, I heard the price - $52,852. (I had my tuition covered through a teaching assistantship).

Indebting a young adult with $211,000 in loans is not Catholic, and borders on being immoral.

After recovering from the shock, I reviewed a lot of other Catholic colleges. While many are cheaper than CUA, it pains me that all the schools were over six figures for four years of education. In good conscience, I could not recommend these schools to my niece unless she received a substantial scholarship.

My own family is at the opposite end of the spectrum, with my son entering kindergarten in the fall. I desperately want to send him to our parish school, and if we made some sacrifices, we could afford to send him there. Cutting out money budgeted for cable TV, going out to eat, and vacations would get us halfway there, and teaching extra classes would cover the other half. Here’s the problem. We have another son, and we would like to have more children. Since our parish has no family discount, what will we do in the future?

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1 posted on 01/07/2014 11:43:41 AM PST by Welchie25
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To: Welchie25

With the expenses going up, the best thing to do would likely periodically remove one kid from Catholic school and make your older kids pay their own way, working to earn their way. AS for the young kids, move them into a kindergarten class in a public school and save, then send them to private Catholic school as they get older.

Don’t foot the bill for the older kids, make the older kids work their way through school, instilling a work ethic.


2 posted on 01/07/2014 11:46:08 AM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Welchie25

Sounds like home-schooling is the way to go.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 11:50:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Welchie25

If a PHD can’t afford to send his children to a catholic school, something does not add up.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 11:51:39 AM PST by oldbrowser
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To: Welchie25
I know from personal experience that sending my kids to schools who shared the very same morals as I did was the best thing I could have done for them. And it was worth everything I could not buy because of it.

I worked to keep them in an atmosphere conducive to virtue.

5 posted on 01/07/2014 11:53:59 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Welchie25
Indebting a young adult with $211,000 in loans is not Catholic, and borders on being immoral. After recovering from the shock, I reviewed a lot of other Catholic colleges. While many are cheaper than CUA, it pains me that all the schools were over six figures for four years of education. In good conscience, I could not recommend these schools to my niece unless she received a substantial scholarship.

PFL

6 posted on 01/07/2014 11:55:30 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: CorporateStepsister

Indoctrination is amazing when you consider you are worried about children that aren’t even born yet. Have you even looked at Catholicism on the internet to see what it actually entails? I was raised a Lutheran and have since become a Christian by reading my bible and find the truth in Christ. I urge you to do the same unless you are afraid of the truth. The history of the Catholic church is one of murder and deceit as well as immoral atrocities. I base those statements on facts and not just rumors.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 11:56:35 AM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Welchie25
I suggest that Dr. Bianchi join with other parents to hire a teacher to run a one room school. The better option is to homeschool.

As for college....well....Catholics along with most Christian denominations are failing to properly educate their children. Honestly, isn't a denomination's **most** important mission field that of their own children first? I would think so. Educating the children in the Faith of their Fathers should be the very highest priority for the use of any donation.

As for my own experience with Catholic university, it was disappointing. It was more about the faith of Marxist Liberation Theology than it was about reading and studying the works of the Church fathers and philosophers.

8 posted on 01/07/2014 12:00:16 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Cowgirl

I agree; it was just a suggestion and I myself am beginning to wonder if Catholic schools are as good as they are hyped.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 12:00:38 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Welchie25

The cost is high for the same reason the costs are healthcare are high.

The system (in this case colleges) are responding to an environment where someone else pays the bills (in this cash government in the form of loans and or grants) This distorts the marketplace and causes prices to soar.

If you want the cost of healthcare and college to go down, simply outlaw health insurance and loans and grants and the price of both will drop 80-90% overnight.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 12:02:45 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

A+ for you!


11 posted on 01/07/2014 12:08:25 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Welchie25

Not only is the cost excessive but an objective person could question just how truly Catholic these ostensibly Catholic colleges and universities are. If Georgetown covers its Catholic symbols during a speech by Obama and Notre Dame gives the leading proponent of abortion an honorary degree, those questions are legitimate.


12 posted on 01/07/2014 12:08:58 PM PST by allendale
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To: Welchie25

Just this last weekend, I heard of 2 parishes (OK-KS)that require tithing so that there is NO tuition payment required to attend the parish school. Makes me wonder what are these parishes doing RIGHT to achieve this.

But, then, you reach high school - my own Catholic HS in Dallas is more for one year than my son’s tuition at UNT.
Don’t know how tithing would work for that.

Something to think about.


13 posted on 01/07/2014 12:11:33 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: Cowgirl
I was raised a Lutheran and have since become a Christian by reading my bible and find the truth in Christ.

This is completely off the topic of the cost of Catholic schools, but I found this a curious statement, considering that I became a Lutheran decades after becoming a Christian--and I am still a Christian :-) I became a Lutheran, in part because I found Luther's teachings to be as close to the truth found in Scripture as anyone's, and much closer than most. What do you find in Lutheran teaching that diverges from the truth of Christ, and the truths found in His Word? It is not my intention to try to revert you--I am happy when anyone finds Christ, regardless of the Christian church--I am just wondering...

14 posted on 01/07/2014 12:15:47 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Cowgirl
>> Indoctrination is amazing when you consider you are worried about children that aren’t even born yet.

She's planning ahead, and you object to indoctrination? Rubbish! If the Roman Catholic religion induces people to think about their future and plan ahead ... Good for the Roman Catholic religion!

>> Have you even looked at Catholicism on the internet to see what it actually entails?

Yes, I have. Religions and systems of faith are interesting, even the ones I don't believe.

>> The history of the Catholic church is one of murder and deceit as well as immoral atrocities. I base those statements on facts and not just rumors.

That statement is worse than merely false; it represents half truth, distortion, and outright fabrication. Shame on you.

15 posted on 01/07/2014 12:20:25 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: chajin
I found the words were in the Lutheran church but the Spirit was pretty much gone. I also think the communion statements are off. I recently went to the Lutheran church with my niece while visiting her and the service was very superficial. I belong to a small group that meet on Saturday night. We arrive anywhere from 5:00 to 6:00 and leave around 11:00. We watch a teaching video together, usually Chuck Missler, and go through a book of the bible.
We are discussing all aspects of the bible and enjoying the fellowship. We also are determined to be friends and help one another as we can. There are only about 25 all together. If you are in the Lutheran church, I urge you to also have a home fellowship with other members to engage in the true spirit of being in Christ.
16 posted on 01/07/2014 12:24:48 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Bingo ... College tuition (at least, published “sticker price”) has increased since the 1970s at about twice the consumer price index “inflation rate”. The problem is hardly unique to Catholic colleges; Protestant and secular private colleges, as well as State colleges have shown the same phenomenon. Christian parents may want to consider that with churches and ministries operating on or near campus, your local Enormous State University might not be a bad choice ... and certainly less expensive than a private college. If your kid is studying science or engineering the godless mess of the arts and humanities studies in the State college will have minimal influence on them.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 12:25:40 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Welchie25

http://www.cristoreyatlanta.org/


18 posted on 01/07/2014 12:32:49 PM PST by gasport (Will operate for food.)
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To: RebelTXRose

My 4 children all attend catholic school in a midwestern state and tuition is under 12,000/yr. for ALL four children to attend ( including 2 in high school) And yes the education is better ( ACT scores blow public out of the water and public schools here are considered good)

The secret is thriving parishes that have dedicated funds that go toward supporting diocesan schools. Masses at all 6 or 7 parishes in our small city are always full..

By the way to the OP.. The University of Mary is a good catholic college( Bismark, ND) and my understanding is that room and board is free for graduates from catholic high schools regardless of financial status… worth checking out!


19 posted on 01/07/2014 12:34:38 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: NorthMountain

What I have said is fact. The shame is on the church and those that let it continue to indoctrinate and harm the people in this world. I put my trust in Christ and not an institution.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 12:35:54 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: NorthMountain

The House of Borgia with Pope Alexander VI...was filled with murder, adultery, illegitimate children, simony, theft to maintain power in the family of Borgia.

Many Popes, Bishops, Cardinals in medieval times had mistresses and children out of wed-lock.

Pope Leo charged sinners for prayers for themselves and family members threatening their souls to hell if they didn’t pay up.

Pope Julius had several mistresses and at least one illegitimate child- in 1511 “a council brought charges of lewd sexual acts against him, alleging that he was “a sodomite covered with shameful ulcers,...”

Pope Benedict IX- was deemed “a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest” by St. Peter Damian...


21 posted on 01/07/2014 12:47:39 PM PST by Engedi
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To: Cowgirl

I was born and raised Catholic then became Protestant, Church of the Nazarene in my late 30’s when I started going to Bible classes with a Pastor who had major in biblical history and I found out about the history of the Catholic Popes.

I did get a good upbringing in Catholic church and gave me a forever moral compass. However, I learned more with the Nazarene’s about a relationship with Jesus that I didn’t learn being a Catholic.

I will put my trust and faith in the Nazarene, Jesus.


22 posted on 01/07/2014 12:55:31 PM PST by Engedi
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To: Cowgirl

I was born and raised Catholic then became Protestant, Church of the Nazarene in my late 30’s when I started going to Bible classes with a Pastor who had major in biblical history and I found out about the history of the Catholic Popes.

I did get a good upbringing in Catholic church and gave me a forever moral compass. However, I learned more with the Nazarene’s about a relationship with Jesus that I didn’t learn being a Catholic.

I will put my trust and faith in the Nazarene, Jesus.


23 posted on 01/07/2014 12:55:31 PM PST by Engedi
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To: Cowgirl

What you have said is a combination of half-truth, distortion, and fabrication ... it is disgusting and repulsive and a disgrace.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 12:56:35 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Engedi
>> Pope Benedict IX- was deemed “a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest” by St. Peter Damian...

LOL!!! The existence of a "St. Peter Damian" should be your first clue that there's a whole lot more to the Roman Catholics than just the malefactors you choose to highlight.

25 posted on 01/07/2014 1:01:19 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

you said “That statement is worse than merely false; it represents half truth, distortion, and outright fabrication. I showed you several examples that were truth not distortion, not half truth and no fabrication.

Were there moral upstanding people in the Catholic church yes? But there have been ones who were not...Quite a few leaders of the Catholic faith were the anti-thesis of Jesus.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 1:22:35 PM PST by Engedi
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To: NorthMountain

you said “That statement is worse than merely false; it represents half truth, distortion, and outright fabrication. I showed you several examples that were truth not distortion, not half truth and no fabrication.

Were there moral upstanding people in the Catholic church yes? But there have been ones who were not...Quite a few leaders of the Catholic faith were the anti-thesis of Jesus.


27 posted on 01/07/2014 1:22:35 PM PST by Engedi
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To: NorthMountain

If so, why is the Catholic church spending millions of dollars to pay families for immoral activities done to them. If you would watch some videos of the village people here in Alaska and let them explain how awful it was to be a victim of a priest you might change you mind about half-truths.

The disgrace falls on the church and people who have covered up this activity. Open you eyes, you have been duped.


28 posted on 01/07/2014 1:24:13 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Engedi
>> I showed you several examples that were truth not distortion,

By showing ONLY those examples, you showed a half-truth. The chink in your armor was the reference to "St. Peter Damian" ... a vigorous critic of papal malfeasance whom the Roman Catholics themselves hold up as a "saint". Again, that should be your first clue that simply mentioning the malefactors is not telling the whole truth.

Enough. This topic is boring; anyone capable of independent research can easily see that for all their faults, the organized churches have been a force for good and for the Gospel in society. Leave the poo-throwing to baboons and chimpanzees. It's a distraction from preaching the Gospel.

29 posted on 01/07/2014 1:28:50 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Cowgirl
>> If you would watch ... Open you eyes, you have been duped.

Don't assume ignorance on the part of those who think you're wrong. Post 29 is for you, too.

30 posted on 01/07/2014 1:30:46 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Welchie25

I think our kids will be going to a public university with a strong Newman Club. There is no sense in spending extra money for an institution that will probably be embarrassed to be Catholic, anyway. There are some that are faithfully Catholic, but they are expensive or don’t offer STEM or are really cold (University of Mary in ND, for example).


31 posted on 01/07/2014 1:35:00 PM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Don’t foot the bill for the older kids, make the older kids work their way through school, instilling a work ethic.

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Having kids pay for their schooling is certainly one way to instill a work ethic, but definitely not the only way.

I have paid for all 3 of my kids college educations, and would do so again.

Of course, none of them attended 50K/year schools, and I was already quite clear of their work ethic and their motivation.


32 posted on 01/07/2014 1:40:03 PM PST by dmz
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To: Cowgirl

Have you even looked at Catholicism on the internet to see what it actually entails?

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LOL. YOu learned everything you know about Catholicism from the internet? Did you look at any sites that were written by Catholics? For Catholics? Did you read the Catechism?

Or just stuff written about Catholics by those opposed to CAtholicism.

Pretty sure I know the answer.

For the record: I’m not Catholic.


33 posted on 01/07/2014 1:49:16 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Actually, I was just making it easy for someone to at least check into the truth. I have read many books on the subject as well as listened to biblical teachers. Here is a start if you are interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians


34 posted on 01/07/2014 2:12:56 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Cowgirl

Nice link.

It shows that Roman Catholics have been persecuted by Jews, pagans, mohammedans, Protestants, socialists, communists, Hindus, Buddhists, animists ...

It shows that Roman Catholics have persecuted Jews and Protestants.

It shows that Protestants have been persecuted by pagans, mohammedans, other Protestants, Roman Catholics, socialists, communists, Hindus, Buddhists, animists ...

It shows that Protestants have persecuted Jews, other Protestants and Roman Catholics.

What a shock! Men are sinners!

But all is not lost: WE HAVE A SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST THE LORD!!! Turn to Him! Repent your sins, believe in Him, and be saved!


35 posted on 01/07/2014 3:09:03 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: dmz

Well, exactly; yet, knowing the way schools are today, I think making your kids pay their way makes them think a lot more clearly about what it is that they want to do, how to go get it, and will ensure that they are motivated to do well.


36 posted on 01/07/2014 4:18:19 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Cowgirl
Indoctrination is amazing when you consider you are worried about children that aren’t even born yet.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am worried about the education of the nation's children even though mine are now successful adults who are observant in their faith.

Why am I worried?

Answer: Because my children and grandchildren’s votes will be swamped like tsunami by the indoctrinated low information voter if the nation's overall system of schooling its children remains intact.

37 posted on 01/07/2014 6:13:28 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Cowgirl
One more thing:

It seems that your post is just a thumb jabbed in the eye of Catholics.

Personally, I admire Dr. Bianchi for his concern about his children's education and making plans now for their future. Good for him!

38 posted on 01/07/2014 6:18:27 PM PST by wintertime
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To: allendale

My experience with Villanova University (an Augustinian university) in the early 70s wasn’t much better. They placed Liberation Theology and the Democratic Party above God.


39 posted on 01/07/2014 6:21:57 PM PST by wintertime
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To: RebelTXRose
Don’t know how tithing would work for that.
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This is how tithing could work: Abandon the Prussian-model and brick and mortar system and forget the team sports. Stop trying to mimic the godless government schools. Seriously, I mean it.

Homeschoolers have a long track record of producing well prepared students with the most minimal of resources. With a little bit of creativity and “out of the brick and mortar box” thinking **ALL** the Christian and conservative children in this nation could get an excellent education.

By the way Charles Murray has some excellent ideas regarding certifiable qualifying exams. Although his focus is on post-HS schooling, it could easily be adapted by Christian denominations starting as early as first grade.....BUT....They would have to STOP copying the government school prison-model.

40 posted on 01/07/2014 6:29:56 PM PST by wintertime
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To: oldbrowser

A Ph.D. doesn’t equal a big pay check. Many Ph.D.s work for the degree because of the intellectual satisfaction, or because it’s a requirement in their chosen field.

Many areas that require a Ph.D. don’t pay that much, at least for quite a while into their careers. I.e., college professors.

And, Ph.D’s are usually 30 years old or more before they make a dime, frequently with serious college loan debt (which doesn’t sound like the situation in this case).


41 posted on 01/07/2014 6:46:22 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: CorporateStepsister

Do you think private school benefits K-5 or 6-12th graders more?


42 posted on 01/08/2014 5:26:59 PM PST by tbw2
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To: tbw2

I think private schools benefit the older 6-12 students better since the little kids can be taught by their parents and a lot more easily deprogrammed from the demented stuff that public schools are apparently teaching kids these days.

With the older students, they need for privatized attention and adolescents and older kids are at an age when what they learn will be affecting them for the rest of their lives. The better opportunities can be better used by older students as well. I mean, going to a private kindergarten won’t really benefit a little kid in the long term career wise.


43 posted on 01/08/2014 7:34:53 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Cowgirl; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; TNMountainMan; alphadog; infool7; ...
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled The growing elitism of Catholic education, Cowgirl wrote:
I was raised a Lutheran and have since become a Christian by reading my bible and find the truth in Christ. I urge you to do the same unless you are afraid of the truth. The history of the Catholic church is one of murder and deceit as well as immoral atrocities. I base those statements on facts and not just rumors.

44 posted on 01/08/2014 7:38:37 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Engedi

These monsters you write about were also responsible for the creation of the most brilliant works of art in the world.

Protestant John Knox was a lecher who married a girl of fifteen in his older years and Protestant Puritans ruled in a dictatorship for ten years in England, wrecking festivals, celebrations, various other things while closing down the theaters and taverns.

There’s a reason people in England were glad that the Puritans left for America.


45 posted on 01/08/2014 7:42:43 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Cowgirl
Have you even looked at Catholicism on the internet to see what it actually entails?......The history of the Catholic church is one of murder and deceit as well as immoral atrocities. I base those statements on facts and not just rumors.

As someone that was raised Catholic, left the Church and then came back after serious study of both history and the Scriptures, I will say that you are wrong and I will pray for you. One final thought.

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46 posted on 01/09/2014 2:11:18 AM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health often leads to poor physical and mental health)
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To: wintertime; Welchie25

That’s the mistake I made (with kid)—went for the selectivity and not for the conservatism. This was in my pre-FR days.

Niece and her husband making the same mistake with their kids: going for Catholic colleges but for those low acceptance percentages. Should be the other way around: political and religious conservatism first, selectivity second.

Senior at Catholic high school told me she and her friends have never even heard of Franciscan University (76% acceptance, and that was why).


47 posted on 01/09/2014 2:35:49 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Welchie25
Fisher More Academy (online programs grades 4-12) and College - The College of Saints John Fisher & Thomas More
48 posted on 01/09/2014 7:12:44 AM PST by ELS
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To: narses

“The history of the Catholic church is one of murder and deceit as well as immoral atrocities. I base those statements on facts and not just rumors.”

No, you base those statements on distortions, prejudice, and outright lies.


49 posted on 01/09/2014 8:20:01 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: narses

“The history of the Catholic church is one of murder and deceit as well as immoral atrocities. I base those statements on facts and not just rumors.”

No, you base those statements on distortions, prejudice, and outright lies.


50 posted on 01/09/2014 8:20:04 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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