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Ruth: Slavery's reality contradicts Sons of Confederate Veterans, Civil War revisionists
Tampa Bay Times ^ | January 20, 2014 | Danial Ruth

Posted on 01/24/2014 8:00:53 AM PST by rockrr

It seems fitting that the de facto anthem of the Confederacy during the Civil War, which some people might still be shocked to learn the North won, turned out to be "Dixie."

After all, since Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered at Appomattox there's been no shortage of looking away, looking away at the reality of history when it comes to the Civil War.

Nowhere is that full flower of denial more apparent than among the followers of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which is upset about a proposal to erect a monument to Union soldiers who died in the Battle of Olustee, regarded by historians as the largest and deadliest engagement in Florida during the "wowrah." Related News/Archive

Next month marks the 150th anniversary of the Battle of Olustee, about 45 miles west of Jacksonville. Some 2,000 Union troops died in the conflict, while 1,000 Confederate soldiers also perished in an engagement that did not substantially alter the course of the Civil War.

The 3-acre Olustee Battlefield Historic State Park includes three monuments honoring the Confederate troops who fought and died in the encounter. But when the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War pushed for a memorial on the site to pay homage to the sacrifices of their forbearers, hostilities ensued. So did illiterate silliness.

(Excerpt) Read more at tampabay.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dixie; scv; wbts
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1 posted on 01/24/2014 8:00:53 AM PST by rockrr
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To: rockrr

Oh yes the War Between the States

the War of Northern Aggression..

the South will rise again...


2 posted on 01/24/2014 8:03:36 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: rockrr
Baxley is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans

Baxley, the Republican, is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans who is opposing a monument to Union soldiers, who mostly were all Republicans. My Pennsylvania, Republican, Union Civil War veteran ancestors would be spinning in their graves.

3 posted on 01/24/2014 8:08:57 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: rockrr

LOL.

Maybe they didn’t get the memo that the North won and the South lost.


4 posted on 01/24/2014 8:11:06 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

You have to pity him for his self-identity confusion...


5 posted on 01/24/2014 8:12:46 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Actually the South did rise again - and is doing quite nicely thank you ;’)


6 posted on 01/24/2014 8:14:26 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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7 posted on 01/24/2014 8:17:41 AM PST by stormer
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To: rockrr

I like how lefties use name calling. Let’s see:

“Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Foghorn Leghorn”, “poppycock wrapped in balderdash enshrouded in piffle”, “Welcome To Gooberville.”, “band of bumpkins”.

I’m sure Mr. Ruth has a point, but I guess he’s too lazy to actually have a discussion, and prefers name calling.

Also from the article: “The Civil War wasn’t about honor. It wasn’t about tradition. It wasn’t about some obtuse romantic notion of strolling under the kudzu.”

Hey Dan, you Goobervill Bumpkin, what kind of Piffle is that? Kudzu wasn’t even introduced to this country until a decade AFTER the civil war.


8 posted on 01/24/2014 8:19:43 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

the war’s over, you lost, get over it.


9 posted on 01/24/2014 8:19:53 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: rockrr

Daniel Ruth is kind of a confused socialist/national socialist radical leftist, defender of savage criminals, hater of everything southern, which is no surprise since before he was canned, he was a Chicagoan and worked for the Sun-Times. The Pulitzer committee, true to form, frequently mails him his prizes.

He was hired by the Tampa Bay Times by a woman described as a “Mussolini” type.


10 posted on 01/24/2014 8:19:59 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: rockrr
Some 2,000 Union troops died in the conflict, while 1,000 Confederate soldiers also perished in an engagement that did not substantially alter the course of the Civil War.

Those were total casualties, not deaths. Astonishing how many morons do not comprehend that there is a difference.

11 posted on 01/24/2014 8:20:39 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Correct. They need to be show some class and reciprocity. There is no shortage of Confederate monuments on the battlefields at Gettysburg.

And, yes, I realize that Robert E. Lee's army acted with far more class and dignity in its invasion of Pennsylvania than Sherman's army did the following year in their invasion of Georgia.

12 posted on 01/24/2014 8:20:52 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rockrr
And if you believe that poppycock wrapped in balderdash enshrouded in piffle, you probably also buy into the notion the nearly 4 million people owned as chattel by their slave owners at the start of the Civil War happily wiled away their hours, gleefully toting those barges and lifting those bails with their only care in the world centered around how to invest their 401k plans.

The writer is a bit confused. The bail doesn't come until after you get drunk.
13 posted on 01/24/2014 8:20:53 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (The only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel prize and leaves us alone.--Moshe Yaalon)
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To: rockrr

There is a concrete obelisk at Jefferson Davis’ birthplace in Kentucky. The man who is in charge of the Jefferson Davis Monument State Historic Site is a retired Marine, a UC Berkeley grad, and a big admirer of Jefferson Davis...and he’s black.


14 posted on 01/24/2014 8:22:18 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: lacrew
Well, then it really wasn't about "some obtuse romantic notion of strolling under the kudzu.”

Was it? :)

15 posted on 01/24/2014 8:22:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rockrr
The article is noteworthy in two respects:

1. Its written specifically to incite and belittle.
2. The writer bears an uncanny resemblance to the head orangutan in the original Planet of the Ape movie.

On the merits of the underlying issue, I can't see a problem with monument to the Union dead, although I get the strong sense that this newspaper hack considers the Confederates to be equivalent to SS. What personally motivated Confederate soldiers was clearly not slavery (very few owned slaves and their letters indicated that they thought little about the issue), although it is hard to imagine the war developing without the underlying issue of slavery.

16 posted on 01/24/2014 8:26:15 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: rockrr
the largest and deadliest engagement in Florida during the "wowrah.

I do believe that's spelled "wowahr."

17 posted on 01/24/2014 8:27:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Daveinyork
the war’s over, you lost, get over it.
Yeah, you'd think so, it's only been 150 friggin' years.
I'm also surprised by the number of people who think Lee was an "American hero."
Try this. A good read and a real eye opener ...
18 posted on 01/24/2014 8:30:32 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rockrr

There is a monument to Henry Wirz, commander of the Confederate prison camp for Union soldiers in Andersonville, GA in the town square.


19 posted on 01/24/2014 8:33:25 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: rockrr
in an engagement that did not substantially alter the course of the Civil War

Lost interest right there.

There were about 10,000 "engagements" during the war, of which less than 100 were classified as battles. Of all those battles probably 1/3 of them "substantially" altered the outcome of the war.

Virtually none of the battles fought after Gettysburg were going to turn the tide for the South. The writing was on the wall. Lee Read it, Grant knew it.

20 posted on 01/24/2014 8:34:45 AM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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