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AMERICANS BATTLE FOR CASSINO; PLANES SWARM OVER FOE’S LINES (2/10/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 2/10/44 | Milton Bracker, C.L. Sulzberger, Ralph Parker, Robert Trumbull, Drew Middleton

Posted on 02/10/2014 4:30:25 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: dfwgator
The Germans learned that lesson from Stalingrad, when the Russians used the rubble there to their advantage.

Saw the recent movie featuring dueling snipers in Stalingrad this weekend.

21 posted on 02/10/2014 12:25:25 PM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

Is that the “Russian” Stalingrad movie?


22 posted on 02/10/2014 12:26:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Is that the “Russian” Stalingrad movie?

No, it was 'Enemy at the Gates' staring Ed Harris, Joseph Fiennes and Jude Law.

23 posted on 02/10/2014 12:29:41 PM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

Oh, that movie is about 10 years old....It’s not bad, but I liked the German movie “Stalingrad” better.

The Russkies just came out with one as well, haven’t seen it yet, though.


24 posted on 02/10/2014 12:32:06 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Page 3 nazi bazookas, are those early panzerfausts?


25 posted on 02/10/2014 12:43:35 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Rebelbase

Indeed they are. They don’t have the flat head on the projectile like the later versions. And just yesterday I wrote about how the Germans had to rely on them as the quality of their conventional AP ammo declined with the loss of Portuguese tungsten.


26 posted on 02/10/2014 12:50:22 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: AU72

Perhaps. operations Torch, Husky and the various attacks on mainland Italy were good for the training for the main event that was Overlord.

The failure that was the first attempt at Kasserine pass was invaluable for training the raw American forces. Better there, then on D-Day at Normandy.


27 posted on 02/10/2014 12:52:22 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
Perhaps. operations Torch, Husky and the various attacks on mainland Italy were good for the training for the main event that was Overlord.

No doubt.

28 posted on 02/10/2014 12:53:58 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

29 posted on 02/10/2014 12:59:40 PM PST by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Vaquero
Politically we had to establish an active front in Western Europe to help the Soviets but we didn't tie down a lot Germans in Italy.
30 posted on 02/10/2014 1:00:04 PM PST by AU72
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"U-666 Kl.VIIC Listed as missing in the North Atlantic. There is no explanation for its loss. 51 dead (all hands lost)."

There is no explanation until now, it was found on Pilot Mt.:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2945552/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USIcXKgU47I

31 posted on 02/10/2014 1:05:34 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: AU72
. . . but we didn't tie down a lot Germans in Italy.

To be cold blooded about it, we could afford to have multiple divisions in an Italian quagmire as long as the German were resisting. Just as the Soviets seemed to have an inexhaustible supply of bodies to put in Red Army uniforms. The Germans had a big problem in the east and were anticipating one in the west. Every German fighting in Italy reduced the number available to meet those problems by one.

32 posted on 02/10/2014 1:07:39 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: dfwgator

“The Russkies just came out with one as well, haven’t seen it yet, though.”

I managed to watch about 40 min. of it. The copy I saw was all in Russian and German. There’s a lot of CGI in it, at times almost as bad as The 300.


33 posted on 02/10/2014 1:08:28 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: dfwgator

“The Russkies just came out with one as well, haven’t seen it yet, though.”

I managed to watch about 40 min. of it. The copy I saw was all in Russian and German. There’s a lot of CGI in it, at times almost as bad as The 300.


34 posted on 02/10/2014 1:08:28 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Every German fighting in Italy reduced the number available to meet those problems by one.

Like I said early, there were no good options on that front. But it was better than letting Churchill try another Gallapoli.

35 posted on 02/10/2014 1:13:29 PM PST by AU72
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Also the biggest limiting factor were the number of available amphibious landers.

The Pacific War used a lot and D-Day required more than we had or could crank out.

36 posted on 02/10/2014 1:16:00 PM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

Help the Russians. Help the Russians. When the Germans tried to get us to join with them against the Soviets (after we had severely thrashed the Germans ). We should have taken them up on it. Patton would have.

Ah... Shoulda Woulda Coulda

And hey! The Italians couldn’t wait to join us and hang Il Duce by his nards. (If they were any help)


37 posted on 02/10/2014 2:33:25 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: AU72
Like I said early, there were no good options on that front. But it was better than letting Churchill try another Gallapoli.

Wrong war. We all grow with age. Beside. Would “peace in our time” be betterr?

38 posted on 02/10/2014 2:38:52 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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