Posted on 02/24/2014 7:57:19 AM PST by BenLurkin
Dr. Keith Van Haren, a pediatric neurologist at Stanford University’s Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital who has worked with Glaser’s team, will present the cases of five of the children at the American Academy of Neurology’s upcoming annual meeting.
He said all five patients had paralysis in one or more arms or legs that reached its full severity within two days. None had recovered limb function after six months.
“We know definitively that it isn’t polio,” Van Haren added, noting that all had been vaccinated against that disease.
Glaser wouldn’t provide the number of illnesses. Van Haren said he was aware of around 20.
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Well, that’s good then. Your friend’s son now has life-long immunity from measles because of having acquired it naturally and never has to have another vaccine for it.
Here is an interesting bit of info from the same article.
“Before childhood vaccination was introduced in the 1940s, pertussis was a major cause of infant death worldwide. Widespread vaccination of children succeeded in reducing illness and death.”
So apparently, the reason for vaccination is sound.
It’s the problem of selecting against a particular strain vs. the others out there. When you fight microbes this way you’ll lose. Every time.
A search on ‘escape mutant’ is interesting:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=hbv+escape+mutant
Our current programs don’t really control the bugs, they just deselect the strains that we vaccinate with. Eventually the bugs win this strategy. Every time.
See my followup.
Penicillin was a Godsend blessing.
Until it stopped working due to overuse.
“It’s not the doctor’s baby. It’s hers. She is in complete control of the choices she makes.”
One of the main stories on the news last week was a doctor who took a child from the parents because they didn’t agree on treatment.
Ya. But, to not use it at all because it might be ineffective in the future is foolish.
"Because pertussis outbreaks occur once every 3 to 5 years, it seems to coincide with the vaccine efficacy wearing off after 3 to 5 years. Even with a vaccination, the virus is still highly contagious. For anyone with a weak immune system or those people not in overall good health, it is suggested to get medical advice to avoid complications. For most adolescents and adults, however, a mild case of pertussis can still cause the annoyance of a constant cough and missing school or work but will result in life-time immunity...."
http://www.childhoodshots.com/Dangers-of-Pertussis-How-Dangerous-is-the-Whooping-Cough-s/201.htm
Just understand the escape mutant you end up with for non pandemic diseases in particular might NOT be the one you want to have.
The current circulating non-vaccine strain pertussis mutant has TEN TIMES the mortality and morbidity of the old one. Try for 100 next time?
You can vaccinate your 2m old and 4m old and every one else multiple times with the DTaP and still get the new one. And you'd better pray to whatever diety you worship your infant doesn't get the new one.
I'll quote the relevant line from the CDC abstract:
"Our results underline the importance of Ptx in transmission, suggest that vaccination may select for increased virulence, and indicate ways to control pertussis more effectively."
Would that be the girl with mitochondrial disorder being stolen away by the psychiatric doctor claiming it was all in her and her parent’s head?
Horrible story, but is in no way comparable to vaccinating your infant in multiple visits instead in a single visit.
There’s a lot to be said for breastfeeding and isolation at home for the first few months of a newborn’s life.
Condensing it down...
Considering that there is a really good chance that the original strain might have been a death sentence for young children and the same would be true today if if a large percentage of the US population stopped vaccinating their children, it would be foolish to not get the shots because it MIGHT mutate sometime in the future.
It doesn't make a bit of sense.
One of my biggest peeves is seeing an obviously newborn infant being drug around Walmart or some restaurant by its stupid mom. Not only is that newborn NOT vaccinated against anything it might reasonably be exposed to (HepB at birth is the only vax prior to the 2m pedi visit), the downside of that child GETTING one of those diseases is WAY higher than a 3yr old. Or even a 6m old.
Stupid stupid mothers.
And throwing them in daycare at 6w has to be another dumb idea. Still haven’t had any more vaccines than they had after the 1d HepB vax. Prior to antibiotics no sane mother would have had her newborn infant around hordes of other germ laden kids including toddlers and pre-schoolers. Doing so would have been a deathwish for the kiddo.
I think sometimes the success that public health bureaucracies had with small pox has given them the belief that such eradication can be achieved with every vaccine preventable disease.
Unfortunately, it’s possible that small pox was a one of a kind eradication event that may not be as repeatable as hoped.
You do know that most of these childhood diseases are not deadly, right? You know they are easily treatable, right? Before the chicken pox vaccine was instituted, about 184 people per year died from it. One hundred eight-four deaths per year in age groups across the board should mean the forced vaccination of every single child in the US?! I disagree with this way of thinking.
Let me spell it out for you.
Vaccination works. For a while. Just like antibiotics. Eventually though, the strain you use in your vaccine becomes extinct. It is replaced by ones that you do NOT vaccinate for. That were ALWAYS there in the natural circulating wildtype population. And more that have room to ‘grow’ due to the extinction of the predominant strain you used in the vaccine. Those seem to be, for pertussis example, WAY more virulent than the one you started with.
And now they become the dominant strain and your vaccine is worthless. Like penicillin became in the 70’s and 80’s.
I still remember when public health officials wanted to put antibiotics in the water supply in the 60’s and 70’s. Just as bad an idea.
When you play natural selection games with the bugs they win. Every time. We have one generation every 20+ years. Bugs have several every single day. They have plenty of time to throw genetic spaghetti against the wall. And win.
And what was a childhood disease with X mortality becomes a disease EVERYONE can get but now you have X + Y mortality where Y is a huge number.
And that childhood disease threatens to become a new pandemic. That you have limited ability to treat. Because you never really learned to TREAT that disease because your only ‘prevention’ was the vaccine.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I might argue, given that the smallpox vaccine is no longer included on the schedule, that they do NOT want to follow the smallpox example.
EXACTLY!! People are exposing their babies to these illnesses and then blaming their infection on other people. No personal responsibility whatsoever and then our children (well, children of most people anyway who don’t do their own research into the pros and cons of vaccines) all pay the price with asthma, allergies, autism (admitted to on the CDC website), etc.
I would think that being in a host and surviving is was causes mutations. A pathogen reacts to or survives it's environment and if is survives, it becomes resistant.
So, following that logic, the fewer people who come down with the illness, the more manageable it is. One way to prevent people from coming down with it is through vaccination. Fewer sick people to spread it. What kinds of pertussis mutations might exist if we hadn't treated it with vaccines?
Antibiotics....
How much of the problem with antibiotics is that people don't FINISH the prescription but stop while the bacteria is still alive and the bacteria carries on that immunity because it survived.
Simply put: it is like trying hit a moving target. Especially with the flu vaccine.
See my post below.
My point: do nothing and you have a much worse situation than if there were treatment. Millions of sick contagious carriers means a much greater likelihood of mutation. Not to mention, millions of deaths. And the few who survive? Will great for them. So, nipping it in the bud is the best solution.
It might seem that way, but the truth is, while small pox was an ugly disease, it’s cause was a delicate species specific virus that didn’t last long outside the host and didn’t have alternative hosts, unlike say tetanus which lives in dirt, dust and manure pretty much everywhere.
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