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Couple who found $10m hoard of gold coins could have broken law
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Posted on 02/28/2014 7:42:55 PM PST by ClaytonP

The Northern Californian couple who found $10 million worth of gold coins on their land could have broken California Law for failing to report their stunning discovery to police, it emerged today.

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But, according to Californian Law, the couple should have declared their findings to the police within a ‘reasonable time’ of finding it.

The Californian Civil Code, sub-section 2080, also states that a notice must go in the local paper if the haul is worth more than $250.

Usually, breaking the Civil Code isn’t an arrestable offense but punished with a fine.

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But, according to one Gold Country Sheriff’s Department, the matter is taken so seriously that the couple could be called in for questioning and ‘could face arrest’.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 02/28/2014 7:42:55 PM PST by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

On their own land? Really? Last conservative out, turn out the lights.


2 posted on 02/28/2014 7:43:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ClaytonP

Somehow I knew it wouldn’t be simple.

Find millions of dollars - Flee California


3 posted on 02/28/2014 7:44:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ClaytonP

First rule of Finders Keepers: keep your yap shut!


4 posted on 02/28/2014 7:45:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ClaytonP

We knew this was going to happen.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 7:46:03 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ClaytonP

If you’ve got a hoard—you didn’t find that” Barry (all your hard is mine) Obama.


6 posted on 02/28/2014 7:46:34 PM PST by DManA
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There’s a law for that...


7 posted on 02/28/2014 7:46:55 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lights have been out in California for decades.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 7:47:05 PM PST by doc1019
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was found on their own property. It belongs to them. Should I call the police to report I found a booger?


9 posted on 02/28/2014 7:47:50 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: rockrr

I wouldn’t have announced this. At the very least I’d have moved to a non-income tax state and then quietly started selling. Better yet....how about moving to a country where they don’t figure most of what you’ve got belongs to someone else.


10 posted on 02/28/2014 7:48:12 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: ClaytonP

There are laws like this in nearly every state. The feds claim the right to any treasure salvaged from wrecks. You are entitled to a percentage, but it is a pittance.

We already live in a socialist society. Everything already belongs to the state.


11 posted on 02/28/2014 7:48:21 PM PST by rey
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To: ClaytonP

Ah, the enlightened and progressive California. Utopia on Earth. Why, it’s so utopic that people find millions of dollars of gold coins in their own back yards. So wonderful.

Oh, and face arrest in so doing. Forgot to mention that.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 7:49:18 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ClaytonP

Rule 1.

NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, REPORT THAT YOU JUST FOUND 10 MILLION DOLLARS IN GOLD COINS TO THE “AUTHORITIES”


13 posted on 02/28/2014 7:49:21 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: cripplecreek
Yes, I thought that too.

Somehow I KNEW that CA would get their grubby paws on this stash.

By the time all is said and done, I bet the "lucky" finders end up OWING CA some serious $.

There's a lesson here, kiddies.

With liberals, you will never win.

Now had this couple given a few congressmen some of the coins, it would be all good.

14 posted on 02/28/2014 7:49:56 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: cripplecreek

Find millions of dollars - Flee California


I didn’t use those words, but it is what I basically posted in the first thread about this. I’d buy a small place in a tax friendly state and claim I found it there, if I claimed it at all.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 7:50:05 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: ClaytonP

Furthermore, anyonoe who purchase4d the “treasure” could be guilty of receiving stolen property.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 7:50:09 PM PST by rey
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To: ClaytonP

They should have kept their mouths shut.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 7:50:32 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: DManA

ahahaha THANK YOU i NEEDED THAT!

March appears to be coming in like a Lion!


18 posted on 02/28/2014 7:51:10 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (how many times has obie fundamentaly transformed obamacare now?)
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To: ClaytonP
You knew this was coming. It's Steinbeck's The Pearl brought to life.
19 posted on 02/28/2014 7:51:23 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ClaytonP; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
It's a fair warning to the rest of us, thanks! I'm starting to dig!


20 posted on 02/28/2014 7:52:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: ClaytonP
The Californian Civil Code, sub-section 2080, also states that a notice must go in the local paper if the haul is worth more than $250.

Jeez. Only the government would call anything worth $250 these days a "haul."

21 posted on 02/28/2014 7:53:01 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ClaytonP

I wish they had..

then I could have been reunited with my great granny’s pin money that much sooner..

:)


22 posted on 02/28/2014 7:53:55 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

It’d be funny if everyone started calling the cops to report finding loose seat-cushion change.


23 posted on 02/28/2014 7:54:36 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: headstamp 2
They should have kept their mouths shut.

Would you all think for a change? The couple didn't know what they had until they HAD THE COINS APPRISED by another individual. So, the news was out by that avenue.

24 posted on 02/28/2014 7:56:17 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: BradyLS

Dial 911. “Hey I found a dime on the sidewalk”.


25 posted on 02/28/2014 7:58:09 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: doc1019

The coins were reportedly stolen from the SF mint in 1905. The perpetrator buried them on the property to avoid being caught with them. He hoped to retrieve the coins at a future date. He never returned, or couldn’t remember the exact spot.

I don’t know what the law specifies regarding the discovery of stolen government property. But if the law states that stolen government property still belongs to the government, the couple is SOL.

They made the fatal mistake of opening their big fat pieholes. It’s a teachable moment: If you find millions in gold coins, keep your mouth shut and sell the coins one at a time to different collectors over a lengthy period of time.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 8:00:29 PM PST by huckfillary
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To: ClaytonP

CA: A wonderful place except for the taxation, corruption, regulations, crime, government, landslides, earthquakes, water restrictions, fires, pollution, narcissists, and government (again). /spit


27 posted on 02/28/2014 8:00:34 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Aria

I agree. But with as many old gold coins as they found, they’d acquire a reputation pretty quickly as they started showing up in markets. It wouldn’t be too many years before the secret would be out.

Dummy that I am, I’m sure I would have done no better than they did. In my more calm and lucid moments, I like to think I would have gotten a lawyer on my side first before calling the cops.


28 posted on 02/28/2014 8:01:05 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS
Rule #1; Say nothing

Rule #2: Hire yourself the smartest lawyer you can find (You can afford it).

Rule #3: Search around for a state or even foreign country whose tax laws are most sympathetic to your situation (see "smartest lawyer" under Rule #2.

Rule #4: Get out of California stat with your find.

Rule #5: See Rule #1.

29 posted on 02/28/2014 8:01:14 PM PST by Robwin
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To: ClaytonP

“According to 1901 reports, 500 coins were stolen by Dimmick - only 73 coins less than the 1,427 discovered at Saddle Ridge.

Uh....I think I’ve either discovered a typo, or a significant math error....

I’m guessing the author meant to assert that “...1500 coins were stolen by Dimmick...”


30 posted on 02/28/2014 8:01:46 PM PST by G Larry (Did You Like That Better?)
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To: ClaytonP; a fool in paradise

Deny, deny, deny! “We were just kidding!” “I took Ambien by mistake” worked for Kerry Kennedy, so why not?!


31 posted on 02/28/2014 8:02:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

LOL! I bet they’d say, “Great! Turn it in!”


32 posted on 02/28/2014 8:03:20 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ClaytonP
Let me guess....the penalty will be a fine of $10 million.
33 posted on 02/28/2014 8:03:30 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Aria

When I was 14 and walking home from school I found a wallet laying at the edge of the road. I opened it and found $320 in addition to tons of stuff like papers and credit cards - all worthless to me. To a kid that was a fortune!

From his driver license I searched through the phone book, called his phone number, and left a message to call me if he had lost something. He called a few hours later and identified his wallet. We made arrangements for him to come to my house and retrieve it.

My mom stood with me when he came to the house (watching out for me). I answered the door, he grabbed the wallet and without a word turned and left. It soured me on the whole good Samaritan thing, but didn’t kill the sense of ethics my folks taught me.

In truth I don’t know what I would do if I dug up a treasure in my backyard. I do know that the last one on earth that I would want to profit by it is the government.


34 posted on 02/28/2014 8:03:47 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: BradyLS; Robwin

Yes, I totally agree with post #29


35 posted on 02/28/2014 8:04:35 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: huckfillary

Thanks for the education. One of the things I love about FR is the education you receive if you just wait for the more knowledgeable to respond.


36 posted on 02/28/2014 8:05:22 PM PST by doc1019
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To: rockrr

Wow, what lack of gratitude...but I think doing the right thing doesn’t require gratitude.

It’s nice that you can be proud of what you did - what a good thing. :-)


37 posted on 02/28/2014 8:06:43 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: ClaytonP

When you find a treasure, everyone tries to get some of it.


38 posted on 02/28/2014 8:07:23 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: BradyLS

I imagine these old coins are on the market a lot. Ebay has 78 “1894 gold eagle coins” up now. I would think one could travel around and sell them at various coin dealers. Save the rarer ones till the end. Or for the grandchildren.

At worst, melt them down (ahhhhh! No!!!!) and sell them for the gold value. And at least prevent the gov’t from getting of it.


39 posted on 02/28/2014 8:09:06 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Aria

I kept making the same, second guessing, suggestions.

But.....they did seek professional advice.

AND....it’s a bit tough to unload 1427 gold coins, quietly,...one at a time.

Specially if one or more are worth close to a Million...

Any transaction of $10K or more gets reported.....so, maybe, they’ve done the smart thing.


40 posted on 02/28/2014 8:10:57 PM PST by G Larry (Did You Like That Better?)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh sure:

Ad, hey anyone missing 10 million dollars in coins?

100,000 replies.

I think the ONLY way this goes to others would be if the police have a report about this missing from some relatives that used to live in that area. Beyond that let CA pound sand.

In any case, if these people sell 10 million they will owe the feds and state about 5.5 million of their findings.


41 posted on 02/28/2014 8:11:18 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: rockrr

You did the right thing. I’m sure he thought the money was gone and too embarrassed for anyone to question how he might have lost it in the first place.


42 posted on 02/28/2014 8:11:53 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Aria

Not a bad idea.


43 posted on 02/28/2014 8:12:30 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On their own land? Really? Last conservative out, turn out the lights.

Come on Vet. You post every day. You certainly know that 99.99% of Americans don't own their own land. Land is leased from the government. You get to pay for all of the up front costs and then pay property taxes. There are only a few places in American where you don't have to pay property taxes. It only makes sense to pay property taxes to fund police that will arrest you for finding something on your own property. (massive sarcasm, I am in a really pissy mood tonight)

44 posted on 02/28/2014 8:13:38 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
It was found on their own property. It belongs to them.

That's what I used to think. Stop paying your property taxes and you will see who the land truly belongs to.

Hail, fellow serf!

45 posted on 02/28/2014 8:13:43 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: piytar
A wonderful place except for the taxation, corruption, regulations, crime, government, landslides, earthquakes, water restrictions, fires, pollution, narcissists, and government (again). /spit

the crime, pollution, earthquakes and landslides are not so bad... the corruption, not any worse than in other states... the taxation and government--yeah... those are bad...

46 posted on 02/28/2014 8:14:43 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: 21twelve

You may be right. My thought was that the dealers would talk to one another at shows or something. Then again, maybe they wouldn’t compare notes or scruple over it too much. Kinda surprised people even sell gold coins on e-bay.


47 posted on 02/28/2014 8:15:20 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


48 posted on 02/28/2014 8:16:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Dr.Deth

That is why it’s called “Real Estate” which means Royal Land, or land belonging to the king or state.


49 posted on 02/28/2014 8:17:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SandRat

Yep! We just did not know when and how.


50 posted on 02/28/2014 8:17:34 PM PST by sport
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