Skip to comments.SHTF Lessons From Venezuela
Posted on 03/07/2014 6:49:48 PM PST by Kartographer
So the people of all classes now find themselves in a situation in which electric power is no longer reliable, blackouts are common, and diseases that were eliminated are returning. Inflation can run up to 50% per month, rendering the Bolivar fiat currency nearly worthless. Since the government had forcefully expropriated (through the Venezuelan socialist version of eminent domain) huge tracts of productive domestic livestock and then given it "to the poor" who didn't know how to farm it, domestic food production crashed. Food was then imported, using dollars. Once inflation soared, the government clamped down on the ability to purchase dollars. This had repercussions throughout the economy. Nearly all medicines are imported, bought with dollars. Hospitals and clinics are now almost completely devoid of medicines. Patients with chronic diseases, such as diabetes or heart disease, cannot get their medicines. Cancer patients cannot receive treatment and are dying. Food supplies are dwindling and what food there is has become expensive. Shop shelves are bare, and long lines form whenever food becomes available.
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I know that I have pinged you guys alot today, but things are happening very fast. Seems we live in interesting times.
Given the stock as Costco, we’ll starve before toilet paper becomes a problem.
I wish we could stock water like that.
Pings are not a problem
Your diligence is appreciated.
I’d rather read this prepper, worthwhile, information than about some politician getting........
I seem to always think of something new!
The Bug Back Bag is coming along fine. I never would have thought about it without your ping.!
Keep pinging Kart. More interesting than hearing about Putin shoving Barky’s head in the toilet of the boys bathroom. :-)
Yes, but I think if they want to take large tracts of land away from some, and give it to idiots, they must have a successful major gun grab first. I would hope well armed citizens would not let this happen. These people should not consent to be moved off their land, come Hell or high water.
No reliable water also means sickness and possible death from polluted water. Plus, no water also means death.
If that happens here, millions will die just as they are going to die there and no weapons caused the deaths.
I researched and wrote an article on Survival Podcast some time ago about where our medicines come from. I'll look that up and post it here tomorrow.
That’s right. I don’t think the bitter clingers are gonna just hand over their guns, religion or land. Not out here in the heartland.
I think we all better brush up on some medicinal herbs and food as pharmaceuticals too.
Americans are the most well armed free people in the world. That is an important distinction. One that the “brownshirts” will encounter, should the same tactic be used on us.
IMO (and most others I’m guessing) the real unknown is the boiling point of the citizenry. It must be high considering the repressive nature of our government and press and no outright rebellion has yet happened. Will it be reached before it is too late?
Hey Libs, visit Venezuela to see ObamaCare in action!
We aren’t seeing it on the news, but the situation in Greece regarding medications if horrific.
I keep an 18 month supply of my heart meds on hand at all times. As well as several courses of Cipro in the fridge. And two tubes of prescription AB ointment designed for MRSA.
If the SHTF we will lose millions of people in a big hurry for lack of medications.
We should not doubt for a minute that our government would use access to medicine as a weapon to subdue the populace.
“I think we all better brush up on some medicinal herbs and food as pharmaceuticals too.”
Remember, I bought that good book written by a doctor at MD Anderson in Houston, about exactly what herbs did what and what quantity was needed to get the medical effect.
I need to go back to that book to see which herb plants I don’t have that I need to get. I’ll do that tomorrow, too, after I copy and post the article I wrote on where our medicines come from.
“As well as several courses of Cipro in the fridge.”
I have Cipro in the fridge, too.
What was the name of the book? I don’t remember the name exactly.
If it ever comes down to that, just make a list and take what you need from the hospitals and clinics...and banks.
The hospitals and clinics won’t have them either, and banks don’t generally stock medical supplies.
It’s a hard back book that came out in 2011. Title is, “Healing Spices”. “How to use 50 everyday and exotic spices to boost health and beat disease”.
This is not a hearsay book of anecdotal stories. The medical science is there to prove “this herb does this”.
I believe God put certain plants on this earth to keep us healthy, to cure disease. He just screwed up by not giving us the name of the plants and the directions on amounts to use. If you read in Revelation, the description of heaven, there is a tree of life in the middle of the river of life and each leaf of that tree cures a disease. I’ll find that scripture, too, tomorrow and post it.
Thanks. I’ll have to order it. I think that many of our diseases are actually due to deficient nutrition. We just haven’t learned enough about it to really know what we truly need to eat for a healthy life.
What are you going to do if you suffer an Achilles tendon rupture and no orthopedist or ER is available? They quit prescribing ciprofloxin to my wife at 55, even though it was still working for sinus infections, because the incidence of tendon ruptures goes up so much with age.
Are you saying that Cipro may cause tendon ruptures?
I am allergic to penicillin and any of its relatives, so I am given Cipro by doctors and dentists.
the hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies will remain stocked and the banks will maintain stocks of other useful commodities. The banks, hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies will become battle grounds in any revolution, every one of them. Guaranteed.
Yes, especially in people over 60: “fluoroquinolone-associated Achilles tendon rupture”.
Cipro is probably not the best choice for an emergency kit once you get to my age or older (although I would certainly use it in a life and death situation).
Not according to this article. When the currency went kaput so did everything else. I’d rather know how to take care of myself without needing to rob others.
That’s Venezuela and this is America. If violent revolution ever comes to America again, you can bet your ass that the banks, pharmacies, clinics, and hospitals will become bloody battle grounds. It’s great that you want to know how to take care of yourself but that doesn’t change anything.
I am not necessarily talking about violent revolution. At any rate, if these places are going to be bloodbath locations, then I sure as hell want to be able to avoid them, and provide for myself and my family.
If you want to get your medicine by going to battle and assume that the hospitals are always going to be stocked with whatever you want - to each his own.
Selco tells of the Hospitals in Saravejo became slaughter houses.
By the way, I never said that they wouldn’t become bloody battle grounds. I took issue with you saying just make a list and take the medicines from hospitals, clinics, and banks.
To me that’s not a plan, that’s a last resort.
Best source for antibiotics?
That’s not my issue. I never said they wouldn’t. This all started with him telling me that I should just make a list and go take what I need from the hospitals, clinics, and banks.
That’s what I took issue with. To me stealing is a last resort. I think it is smarter to plan on a way to take care of me and mine without the necessity to visit a slaughter house if possible.
I also thinks it is not realistic to expect that all the hospitals, clinics and pharmacies will just automatically have everything in stock - no problem.
Heck, we have shortages of something as simple as flu vaccines. My issue is with lack of planning and planning to steal as a way of prepping. Stealing is a last resort, and failure of plan as far as I am concerned.
obamacare has not been repealed, it is still in full effect or on schedule. Portions of is are not being enforced at this time due to the ineptness of the Government, but when the mechanization for dealing with the malefactors is ready, then they will begin full enforcement. The gun grabbers are following the same plan.
If you have meds that need refrigeration you also need electrical power. In a SHTF situation that may be dicey.
Agree hostpitals, retail stores and so are going to be the wrose places to be when shtf. It WILL get you killed.
Look into aquarium antibiotics.
http://www.calvetsupply.com/ has been highly spoken of here on FR and other prepper sites.
Most meds you will need cannot be purchased without a prescription anyway so you may have to resort to raiding a pharmacy or hospital.
I have people that I can call to get a script if I need one.
I also have a few months of medicine in stock as well as some antibiotics etc.
However, in addition to supplies on hand, I always try to figure out a way to provide necessities independent of suppliers. Self sufficient as much as possible.
Their message was simple:
“Enough! We need a new government.”
Cipro is the only one I can use. If I had to take it all the time that could be a problem but I don’t expect that would be the case with it. If I’m sick enough to have to have an antibiotic, I’ll take it. I am 80 and that’s a “bit” over 60. :o)
Pet stores and vet clinics for the same antibiotics for people, just different external packaging.
“the hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies will remain stocked and the banks will maintain stocks of other useful commodities.”
No, hospitals have no large supply of anything - they work on the same method as other stores such as Walmart. I’ll put an article on here tomorrow about where our medicines come from. Hospitals would run out in a week and pharmacies won’t have any, either. Banks will close.
“If you have meds that need refrigeration you also need electrical power. In a SHTF situation that may be dicey.”
Cipro doesn’t need refrigeration but it does last longer if it is refrigerated.
Well, the probability over all age groups is roughly the same as getting colorectal cancer, if that’s any consolation. But the problem has been noted after just a handful of doses, and when it happens it’s disabling.
If you have a true allergy to penicillan-class antibiotics you can’t take amoxicillan, etc., or the cephalosporins, but can take the floxins as you know, tetracycline, and azithromycin, among others.
IMO, the vast majority of us good people are utterly seething with hate and discontent, just below the surface. I have become convinced, after watching left wing liberal socialist pinko commie geeks, for years, that there is only one method left that will bring relief. I don't how many months or years it will be till 212 degrees is reached, but I am convinced it will be reached. It is also possible that the government might manufacture a Reichstag moment as well, and it will be ON.
And a week after that, western civilization would collapse and a week after that, the chronically ill would start dieing off.
It all depends on what SHTF scenario you are talking about though.