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SHTF Lessons From Venezuela
http://www.survivalblog.com ^ | 3/14 | CSR

Posted on 03/07/2014 6:49:48 PM PST by Kartographer

So the people of all classes now find themselves in a situation in which electric power is no longer reliable, blackouts are common, and diseases that were eliminated are returning. Inflation can run up to 50% per month, rendering the Bolivar fiat currency nearly worthless. Since the government had forcefully expropriated (through the Venezuelan socialist version of eminent domain) huge tracts of productive domestic livestock and then given it "to the poor" who didn't know how to farm it, domestic food production crashed. Food was then imported, using dollars. Once inflation soared, the government clamped down on the ability to purchase dollars. This had repercussions throughout the economy. Nearly all medicines are imported, bought with dollars. Hospitals and clinics are now almost completely devoid of medicines. Patients with chronic diseases, such as diabetes or heart disease, cannot get their medicines. Cancer patients cannot receive treatment and are dying. Food supplies are dwindling and what food there is has become expensive. Shop shelves are bare, and long lines form whenever food becomes available.

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Coming to American for a Royal Preformance.
1 posted on 03/07/2014 6:49:48 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

I know that I have pinged you guys alot today, but things are happening very fast. Seems we live in interesting times.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 6:51:49 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Given the stock as Costco, we’ll starve before toilet paper becomes a problem.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 6:53:37 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I wish we could stock water like that.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 6:57:29 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

incredible article


5 posted on 03/07/2014 7:04:42 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: Kartographer
I know that I have pinged you guys a lot today, but things are happening very fast.

Pings are not a problem

Your diligence is appreciated.


6 posted on 03/07/2014 7:08:50 PM PST by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Kartographer

Keep pinging!

I’d rather read this prepper, worthwhile, information than about some politician getting........


7 posted on 03/07/2014 7:14:26 PM PST by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Kartographer

Ping away!

I seem to always think of something new!

The Bug Back Bag is coming along fine. I never would have thought about it without your ping.!


8 posted on 03/07/2014 7:35:16 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: Kartographer

Keep pinging Kart. More interesting than hearing about Putin shoving Barky’s head in the toilet of the boys bathroom. :-)


9 posted on 03/07/2014 7:37:43 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer
Coming to American for a Royal Performance.

Yes, but I think if they want to take large tracts of land away from some, and give it to idiots, they must have a successful major gun grab first. I would hope well armed citizens would not let this happen. These people should not consent to be moved off their land, come Hell or high water.

10 posted on 03/07/2014 8:01:39 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Kartographer; greeneyes
To me, the worst situation for the people is hospitals are running out of medicines and people can't get blood pressure meds or diabetic meds, or cancer treatment and no meds of any kind means necessary operations stop. No medicine means many more deaths. That type death is coming right at you and you don't have to be protesting to drop dead due to no meds.

No reliable water also means sickness and possible death from polluted water. Plus, no water also means death.

If that happens here, millions will die just as they are going to die there and no weapons caused the deaths.

I researched and wrote an article on Survival Podcast some time ago about where our medicines come from. I'll look that up and post it here tomorrow.

11 posted on 03/07/2014 8:08:51 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Mark17

That’s right. I don’t think the bitter clingers are gonna just hand over their guns, religion or land. Not out here in the heartland.


12 posted on 03/07/2014 8:09:54 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

I think we all better brush up on some medicinal herbs and food as pharmaceuticals too.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 8:11:49 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Mark17

Americans are the most well armed free people in the world. That is an important distinction. One that the “brownshirts” will encounter, should the same tactic be used on us.

IMO (and most others I’m guessing) the real unknown is the boiling point of the citizenry. It must be high considering the repressive nature of our government and press and no outright rebellion has yet happened. Will it be reached before it is too late?


14 posted on 03/07/2014 8:17:00 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Kartographer

Hey Libs, visit Venezuela to see ObamaCare in action!


15 posted on 03/07/2014 8:22:26 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: Marcella

We aren’t seeing it on the news, but the situation in Greece regarding medications if horrific.

I keep an 18 month supply of my heart meds on hand at all times. As well as several courses of Cipro in the fridge. And two tubes of prescription AB ointment designed for MRSA.

If the SHTF we will lose millions of people in a big hurry for lack of medications.

We should not doubt for a minute that our government would use access to medicine as a weapon to subdue the populace.


16 posted on 03/07/2014 8:23:57 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: greeneyes

“I think we all better brush up on some medicinal herbs and food as pharmaceuticals too.”

Remember, I bought that good book written by a doctor at MD Anderson in Houston, about exactly what herbs did what and what quantity was needed to get the medical effect.

I need to go back to that book to see which herb plants I don’t have that I need to get. I’ll do that tomorrow, too, after I copy and post the article I wrote on where our medicines come from.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 8:23:58 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“As well as several courses of Cipro in the fridge.”

I have Cipro in the fridge, too.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 8:27:03 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

What was the name of the book? I don’t remember the name exactly.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 8:28:48 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

If it ever comes down to that, just make a list and take what you need from the hospitals and clinics...and banks.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 8:29:19 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

The hospitals and clinics won’t have them either, and banks don’t generally stock medical supplies.


21 posted on 03/07/2014 8:32:08 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It’s a hard back book that came out in 2011. Title is, “Healing Spices”. “How to use 50 everyday and exotic spices to boost health and beat disease”.

This is not a hearsay book of anecdotal stories. The medical science is there to prove “this herb does this”.

I believe God put certain plants on this earth to keep us healthy, to cure disease. He just screwed up by not giving us the name of the plants and the directions on amounts to use. If you read in Revelation, the description of heaven, there is a tree of life in the middle of the river of life and each leaf of that tree cures a disease. I’ll find that scripture, too, tomorrow and post it.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 8:41:32 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Thanks. I’ll have to order it. I think that many of our diseases are actually due to deficient nutrition. We just haven’t learned enough about it to really know what we truly need to eat for a healthy life.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 8:43:57 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
I have Cipro in the fridge, too.

What are you going to do if you suffer an Achilles tendon rupture and no orthopedist or ER is available? They quit prescribing ciprofloxin to my wife at 55, even though it was still working for sinus infections, because the incidence of tendon ruptures goes up so much with age.

24 posted on 03/07/2014 8:53:46 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Are you saying that Cipro may cause tendon ruptures?

I am allergic to penicillin and any of its relatives, so I am given Cipro by doctors and dentists.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 8:57:07 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

the hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies will remain stocked and the banks will maintain stocks of other useful commodities. The banks, hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies will become battle grounds in any revolution, every one of them. Guaranteed.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 9:00:30 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Marcella

Yes, especially in people over 60: “fluoroquinolone-associated Achilles tendon rupture”.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/410546_3

Cipro is probably not the best choice for an emergency kit once you get to my age or older (although I would certainly use it in a life and death situation).


27 posted on 03/07/2014 9:01:48 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: RC one

Not according to this article. When the currency went kaput so did everything else. I’d rather know how to take care of myself without needing to rob others.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 9:04:41 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

That’s Venezuela and this is America. If violent revolution ever comes to America again, you can bet your ass that the banks, pharmacies, clinics, and hospitals will become bloody battle grounds. It’s great that you want to know how to take care of yourself but that doesn’t change anything.


29 posted on 03/07/2014 9:10:32 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

I am not necessarily talking about violent revolution. At any rate, if these places are going to be bloodbath locations, then I sure as hell want to be able to avoid them, and provide for myself and my family.

If you want to get your medicine by going to battle and assume that the hospitals are always going to be stocked with whatever you want - to each his own.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 9:15:30 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Selco tells of the Hospitals in Saravejo became slaughter houses.


31 posted on 03/07/2014 9:17:30 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RC one

By the way, I never said that they wouldn’t become bloody battle grounds. I took issue with you saying just make a list and take the medicines from hospitals, clinics, and banks.

To me that’s not a plan, that’s a last resort.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 9:21:40 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

Best source for antibiotics?


33 posted on 03/07/2014 9:27:28 PM PST by FXRP
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To: Kartographer

That’s not my issue. I never said they wouldn’t. This all started with him telling me that I should just make a list and go take what I need from the hospitals, clinics, and banks.

That’s what I took issue with. To me stealing is a last resort. I think it is smarter to plan on a way to take care of me and mine without the necessity to visit a slaughter house if possible.

I also thinks it is not realistic to expect that all the hospitals, clinics and pharmacies will just automatically have everything in stock - no problem.

Heck, we have shortages of something as simple as flu vaccines. My issue is with lack of planning and planning to steal as a way of prepping. Stealing is a last resort, and failure of plan as far as I am concerned.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 9:27:39 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Mark17
Oh, the gun grab is coming. They just haven't got their ducks in a row yet, so like obamacare they just keep postponing. When everything is ready, they will move. It may take days, weeks, months, or years, but there is one thing they won't do and that is give up.

obamacare has not been repealed, it is still in full effect or on schedule. Portions of is are not being enforced at this time due to the ineptness of the Government, but when the mechanization for dealing with the malefactors is ready, then they will begin full enforcement. The gun grabbers are following the same plan.

35 posted on 03/07/2014 9:29:36 PM PST by sport
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To: Marcella

If you have meds that need refrigeration you also need electrical power. In a SHTF situation that may be dicey.


36 posted on 03/07/2014 9:43:07 PM PST by USAF80
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To: greeneyes

Agree hostpitals, retail stores and so are going to be the wrose places to be when shtf. It WILL get you killed.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 9:48:04 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: FXRP

Look into aquarium antibiotics.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 9:52:58 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: FXRP

http://www.doomandbloom.net/antibiotics-and-their-use-in-collapse-medicinetm-part-1/

http://www.doomandbloom.net/antibiotics-and-their-use-in-collapse-medicinetm-part-2/

http://www.doomandbloom.net/antibiotics-and-their-use-in-collapse-medicinetm-part-3/

http://www.doomandbloom.net/antibiotics-and-their-use-in-collapse-medicinetm-part-4/

http://www.calvetsupply.com/ has been highly spoken of here on FR and other prepper sites.


39 posted on 03/07/2014 9:54:06 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: greeneyes

Most meds you will need cannot be purchased without a prescription anyway so you may have to resort to raiding a pharmacy or hospital.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 9:57:04 PM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

I have people that I can call to get a script if I need one.
I also have a few months of medicine in stock as well as some antibiotics etc.

However, in addition to supplies on hand, I always try to figure out a way to provide necessities independent of suppliers. Self sufficient as much as possible.


41 posted on 03/07/2014 10:05:24 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

Their message was simple:

“Enough! We need a new government.”


42 posted on 03/07/2014 10:33:22 PM PST by griffin
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To: steve86

Cipro is the only one I can use. If I had to take it all the time that could be a problem but I don’t expect that would be the case with it. If I’m sick enough to have to have an antibiotic, I’ll take it. I am 80 and that’s a “bit” over 60. :o)


43 posted on 03/07/2014 10:38:36 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: FXRP; RC one

Pet stores and vet clinics for the same antibiotics for people, just different external packaging.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 10:38:50 PM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: RC one

“the hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies will remain stocked and the banks will maintain stocks of other useful commodities.”

No, hospitals have no large supply of anything - they work on the same method as other stores such as Walmart. I’ll put an article on here tomorrow about where our medicines come from. Hospitals would run out in a week and pharmacies won’t have any, either. Banks will close.


45 posted on 03/07/2014 10:41:11 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: USAF80

“If you have meds that need refrigeration you also need electrical power. In a SHTF situation that may be dicey.”

Cipro doesn’t need refrigeration but it does last longer if it is refrigerated.


46 posted on 03/07/2014 10:43:10 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Southack
Fact is, if the SHTF, there are, potentially, a lot of people that are going to be without the medications and medical services that they require to stay alive and they're going to die. It all depends on what the SHTF scenario is of course.
47 posted on 03/07/2014 10:48:18 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Marcella

Well, the probability over all age groups is roughly the same as getting colorectal cancer, if that’s any consolation. But the problem has been noted after just a handful of doses, and when it happens it’s disabling.

If you have a true allergy to penicillan-class antibiotics you can’t take amoxicillan, etc., or the cephalosporins, but can take the floxins as you know, tetracycline, and azithromycin, among others.


48 posted on 03/07/2014 10:53:35 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
IMO (and most others I’m guessing) the real unknown is the boiling point of the citizenry. It must be high considering the repressive nature of our government and press and no outright rebellion has yet happened. Will it be reached before it is too late?

IMO, the vast majority of us good people are utterly seething with hate and discontent, just below the surface. I have become convinced, after watching left wing liberal socialist pinko commie geeks, for years, that there is only one method left that will bring relief. I don't how many months or years it will be till 212 degrees is reached, but I am convinced it will be reached. It is also possible that the government might manufacture a Reichstag moment as well, and it will be ON.

49 posted on 03/07/2014 10:54:51 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Marcella
Hospitals would run out in a week and pharmacies won’t have any, either. Banks will close.

And a week after that, western civilization would collapse and a week after that, the chronically ill would start dieing off.

It all depends on what SHTF scenario you are talking about though.

50 posted on 03/07/2014 10:59:14 PM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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