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Whether You Believe in ‘big bang’ theory or creationism, you’ll want to read this…
KFOR TV ^ | 03/18/2014 | A. Edwards

Posted on 03/18/2014 7:57:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

There’s no way for us to know exactly what happened some 13.8 billion years ago, when our universe burst onto the scene.

But scientists announced Monday a breakthrough in understanding how our world as we know it came to be. If the discovery holds up to scrutiny, it’s evidence of how the universe rapidly expanded less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

“It teaches us something crucial about how our universe began,” said Sean Carroll, a physicist at California Institute of Technology, who was not involved in the study. “It’s an amazing achievement that we humans, doing science systematically for just a few hundred years, can extend our understanding that far.”

What’s more, researchers discovered direct evidence for the first time of what Albert Einstein predicted in his general theory of relativity: Gravitational waves.

These are essentially ripples in space-time, which have been thought of as the “first tremors of the Big Bang,” according to the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

A telescope at the South Pole called BICEP2 — Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization 2 – was critical to the discovery. The telescope allowed scientists to analyze the polarization of light left over from the early universe, leading to Monday’s landmark announcement.

Scientists use the word “inflation” to describe how the universe rapidly expanded after the Big Bang in a ripping-apart of space. The BICEP2 results are the “smoking gun for inflation,” Marc Kamionkowski, professor of physics and astronomy, said at a news conference.

Kamionkowski also was not involved in the project. “Inflation is the theory about the ‘bang’ of Big Bang,” said Chao-Lin Kuo, an assistant professor of physics at Stanford and SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, and a co-leader of the BICEP2 collaboration, in a Stanford video.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science
KEYWORDS: bigbang; creation; einstein; gravitywaves
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1 posted on 03/18/2014 7:57:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

in the beginning was Inflation .....


2 posted on 03/18/2014 7:59:42 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: SeekAndFind
There’s no way for us to know exactly what happened some 13.8 billion years ago

If there is no way to know, as the author surmises, just how does he know it took place 13.8 billion years ago?

3 posted on 03/18/2014 8:00:18 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Big Bang may be the method God used to create the universe.


4 posted on 03/18/2014 8:01:36 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: SeekAndFind
Theory

Big Bang is considered a theory

Evolution is considered a theory

God?? Why do so many people believe in God rather than call him a theory?

5 posted on 03/18/2014 8:01:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rjsimmon

not only that…but what is 13.8 billion years. Einstein, and modern quantum physics demonstrates that time is a physical property, and has not been constant over the life of our universe. In fact, the multiple indicates that as time has changed speeds….14 billion years might equal about 6 thousand years today.

Just sayin….


6 posted on 03/18/2014 8:02:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Exactly......To me science is trying to understand how God works, be it Evolution or whatever...Never understood why the two are incompatible.

Reminds me of the old joke.

Man goes to God and asks.....”What’s a million years to you?”

God replies, “A second.”

Then the man asks God, “What’s a million dollars to you?”

God answers, “A penny”

Then the man asks God, “Can I have a penny?”

And God answers, “Sure, in a second.”


7 posted on 03/18/2014 8:04:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

“Certainly everything in the universe that we see now, at one time before inflation, was smaller than an electron”

I suppose he was trying to simplify things, but how small is an electron, exactly?


8 posted on 03/18/2014 8:05:08 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: rjsimmon

It was a Tuesday...... ;-)


9 posted on 03/18/2014 8:05:48 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: rjsimmon

What I always find amusing is that hard core big banger/evolutionists are never totally sure how everything began but are ABSOLUTELY sure that it was NOT created.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 8:08:11 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posts and nary a picture of Kaley Cuoco?


11 posted on 03/18/2014 8:09:15 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no contradiction between “big bang” and creationism. Big Bang posits that the universe had a beginning and that tends to confirm creationism.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 8:11:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Right Brother

And that everyone who believes that God created the Universe was/are wrong. That’s billions of people over time.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 8:11:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

What if time itself was variable too? Depending on the current size of the universe.

In the first millisecond (our current feeling of time) a billion years passed?


14 posted on 03/18/2014 8:12:52 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Theory
Big Bang is considered a theory

Evolution is considered a theory

God?? Why do so many people believe in God rather than call him a theory?


“Theory”, like “non-profit”, has a context. “Theory” is a word used when talking of science - of how things work. “non-profit” is a tax term. It describes the tax rules under which the organization functions.

Meanwhile, God is about WHY as well as the spiritual realm (outside our own laws of physics). Since the scope of science is confined to our laws of physics, it can’t begin to even deal with that. Using science to prove or disprove God is like trying to use a screwdriver as a hammer. It’s the wrong tool for the job.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 8:14:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Who created the Physics?

Like when the scientist goes to God and says, “We don’t need you anymore...We can make man from dirt just like you did.”

God says, “Ok, show me.”

The scientist says, “Ok, give me some dirt.”

And God says, “Oh no....you make your own dirt.”


16 posted on 03/18/2014 8:16:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cuban leaf

http://www.thegodtheory.com/


17 posted on 03/18/2014 8:17:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rightwingcrazy
but how small is an electron, exactly?

No one knows. We only know that it is smaller than the last size we tried to elicit from an experiment. Or it doesn't have a diameter.
18 posted on 03/18/2014 8:18:15 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Mr. K
In the first millisecond (our current feeling of time) a billion years passed?

Ya see, it took time a while to work out the kinks :)

19 posted on 03/18/2014 8:19:24 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Thing is, I don’t need God to be a theory for the same reason I don’t need my wife or my dog to be a theory.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 8:19:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Proud2BeRight
The Big Bang may be the method God used to create the universe.

I concur. There is no reason to think that these two points are mutually exclusive. In fact, I think there is a very strong likelihood that God did create the universe in this manner. Scripture tells us that God spoke and the stars (universe) was created. The Big Bang seems to fit quite well with that. My faith is enhanced by this as I believe that God is allowing this amazing discovery.

21 posted on 03/18/2014 8:20:34 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: cuban leaf
Using science to prove or disprove God is like trying to use a screwdriver as a hammer. It’s the wrong tool for the job.

Well put. You can't measure the 4th dimension or beyond with a three dimensional measuring tool.

22 posted on 03/18/2014 8:20:52 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: C. Edmund Wright
We forget that time is a human creation (as we know it). Time is a measurement that, at an astronomical level is paired with space to simply measure (get this) distance and speed. Science has proved that time is relative and gravity affects it only because of speed. Confused yet? Consider the life of an insect that only exists for about a week. If they were aware of their existence, would they perceive life any differently than we would? It is estimated that some dinosaurs (and some reptiles today) lived to be hundreds of years old. This is all simple biology stuff. Time is perceived by the existence of the observer. Imagine a fictional race of beings existing in another part of the universe that, in earth time, live for thousands of years. We would be the equivalent of the insect that only lives for a week. Biologically, there is no reason that cell generation can't continue to sustain a being for far longer than life on earth currently allows.

So to your point, how does God measure "time" when existence is eternal?

If it is true that the expansion of the universe is slowing down, and speed in the universe is a function of time, one could postulate that your comment has merit. Our galaxy is traveling through the universe at a speed. Our solar system is traveling in our galaxy at a speed. And our planet is traveling in our solar system at a speed. Per the theories, could it be that "time" has changed over the last 13 billion years?

If your head is spinning now, see a priest. :o)

23 posted on 03/18/2014 8:25:16 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: rightwingcrazy
I suppose he was trying to simplify things, but how small is an electron, exactly?

They think the size of a quark or so. But we can't seem to see either one. It's all quantum. Duh! lol

24 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:33 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Mr. K

Yup. It appears that in the eternal realm, time is variable - it does not limit God.

Ok, so in nanoseconds after the “Big Bang” (creation) the universe was in existence - meaning bits of creation were “instantly” thousands if not millions of light-years apart.

That means they moved at speeds thousands times faster than the speed of light. Which nothing can do.

Right? ;-)


25 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:36 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: MeshugeMikey

The “big bang” does not sufficiently explain the origin of the universe.


26 posted on 03/18/2014 8:31:52 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Arlis

but they are not moving faster than light- if time is variable and millions of years pass within seconds of the big bang, then WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME lightspeed is still the speed limit

unless the speed of light is also variable depnding on the universe size


27 posted on 03/18/2014 8:35:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: I want the USA back
The “big bang” does not sufficiently explain the origin of the universe.

Absent an objective measure of "sufficiency", any explanation can be insufficient if you want it to be.

28 posted on 03/18/2014 8:36:44 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SeekAndFind

“But scientists announced Monday a breakthrough in understanding how our world as we know it came to be. If the discovery holds up to scrutiny, it’s evidence of how the universe rapidly expanded less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang”

Sounds like a miracle to me.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 8:39:44 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: I want the USA back

Ordinarily... it takes STUFF to Make a Bang...

No Stuff No Bang...

if before the :big bang there was ..as is guessed...no stuff...there could have been no bang.

there is no free lunch!


30 posted on 03/18/2014 8:44:14 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: MeshugeMikey

“in the beginning was Inflation .....”

Lol. It would blow the scientists’ tiny heeds apart if they realized God made the whole universe through Jesus (Hebrews), and that it is held together by Him.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 8:44:33 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Tenacious 1; Servant of the Cross

Very interesting post….God is eternal, therefore not constrained by time as we are. And since time and space are ultimately the same physical property, He is thus not constrained by space, or as physicists call it - locality - the way we are.

Once matter is indivisible, it is no longer constrained by locality either….

The world’s most accurate clocks are used for one purpose…navigation. Indeed, time and space and their relationship are amazing…and science has still not caught up to the Bible on that.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 8:45:53 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ZX12R

“Or it doesn’t have a diameter.”

And here we are told that the universe was assuredly smaller than that. Hm. Perhaps he’s postulating a negative diameter.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 8:47:19 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: avenir

Many Scientist are aware of that fact...but by and large the media and academia appear... to Ignore them.....as best they can.

Al Gore is rumored to be preparing a statement to the effect that He And TIpper Created the Universe

film at 11


34 posted on 03/18/2014 8:47:35 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: Cyman

... it’s evidence of how the universe rapidly expanded less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang”
If true, doesn’t that mean it could contract in a trillionth of a second? We also theorize about the beginning, what about the end.


35 posted on 03/18/2014 8:49:28 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Obadiah

Righto. Genesis 1:1 is just a different way of stating the Big Bang Theory. It also provides information on why the BBT occurred.


36 posted on 03/18/2014 8:50:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: MeshugeMikey

Excellent theory...! Could explain why “many” scientist are democrats...! Looking for that “free” lunch.


37 posted on 03/18/2014 8:51:20 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: Obadiah; Proud2BeRight
Scripture also tells us in something like a dozen different places that God "stretches out the heavens"--which fits perfectly with Big Bang Cosmology.

Also, by using the word asah ("made" or "had made," since it's in the imperfect form y'as) to describe the making of the stars rather than bara ("created"), Genesis makes an interesting prediction: To bara is to create something the likes of which has never existed before, while to asah is to make or work something that is another of an existent kind. (See, for example, the Theological Workbook of the Old Testament.) This is why on day 5, God "created" the animals while on day 6, He "made" more of them.

Therefore, Genesis contains a subtle hint that the sun, moon, and stars (and by extension, planets, asteroids, and comets) that we can see with our naked eyes are not the first stars and planets that God ever created. This again fits perfectly with a Big Bang model, but not so much for Young-Universe Creationism.

Shalom.

38 posted on 03/18/2014 8:56:06 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Mr. K; Arlis
but they are not moving faster than light- if time is variable and millions of years pass within seconds of the big bang, then WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME lightspeed is still the speed limit

The theory comes together in this. Speed is a function of time. And time can be variable depending on speed. It could therefore be postulated that the speed of light over the course of time has changed. By today's "speed of light" standards, scientists must assume that the big bang moved mass (from nothingingness) significantly faster than the speed of light. This would throw off the age of the universe by a good measure.

Look at it another way. If the expansion (speed) of the universe (matter in it) is slowing down, can we assume time then is also slowing? By human's definition of time, we can see objects that are producing light that are 13 billion years old. But if light once moved faster than it does by our standards today, and time has changed, who is to say how old, or how big our universe actually is (Since time and space are linked as a constant in human physics).

(I think I pulled a neuron.)

39 posted on 03/18/2014 8:59:33 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: swampfox101

Thank you!


40 posted on 03/18/2014 9:02:46 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: SeekAndFind; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; CottShop; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; ...
To Big Bang, or not to Big Bang.

BANG!

41 posted on 03/18/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Tenacious 1

Thank you.

Good points.

Science requires what it considers constants to be, well, constant. And there’s simply no way of knowing if they are or not.

Science, in its rejection of theology, makes a number of philosophical assumptions based on something. Necessity, most likely since they HAVE to make those assumptions for their theories to hold.


42 posted on 03/18/2014 9:09:03 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Tenacious 1

“(I think I pulled a neuron.)”

Always happens when the “finite” try to put the “infinite” in a box...! lol


43 posted on 03/18/2014 9:11:41 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: Sacajaweau

Logical necessity.


44 posted on 03/18/2014 9:19:36 AM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: Tenacious 1; Mr. K; Arlis
It could therefore be postulated that the speed of light over the course of time has changed.

Except for the results of a very basic physical formula that we all know: E=MC^2. If the speed of light (C) were higher in the past, the energy (E) or mass (M) of distant stars would be likewise effected, and we could clearly see that they were operating under different physics. They aren't.

For that matter, if C were high enough 6000 years ago to bring us the light of stars billions--or even millions--of light-years away, Adam would have been instantly incinerated by the vastly increased light of the Sun.

Even Danny Faulkner, being a Young-Universe Creationist but also an astronomer, admits that speed of light decay is a non-starter for defending the position.

Food for thought. Shalom.

45 posted on 03/18/2014 9:38:53 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Sherman Logan

God spoke and bang! it happened.

I’m good with that.


46 posted on 03/18/2014 9:42:48 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: metmom
And there’s simply no way of knowing if they are or not.

Untrue. Thanks to powerful telescopes and a finite speed of light, we can directly observe the past and measure many of the constants. So far, every observation is that they have remained, well, constant throughout the history of the universe. And that makes sense, since God several places in His Word points to the constant laws of nature as being proof of His justice and steadfastness to Israel (e.g., Jeremiah 31-33).

Shalom

47 posted on 03/18/2014 9:47:26 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: FlJoePa

Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur . . .


48 posted on 03/18/2014 9:47:39 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Buggman

Very cool. Thanks.


49 posted on 03/18/2014 9:51:24 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: rjsimmon
If there is no way to know, as the author surmises, just how does he know it took place 13.8 billion years ago?

God has given us evidence that the creation of the Universe took place approximately 13.8 billion years ago.

50 posted on 03/18/2014 9:57:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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