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Retired art teacher committed suicide because of frustration with modern life
Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9:32AM BST 06 Apr 2014 | Claire Carter

Posted on 04/07/2014 12:35:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai

A retired art teacher committed suicide at the Dignitas clinic because she was frustrated at the lack of interaction in modern life, because of our reliance on computers and the Internet.

The 89-year-old, who asked only to be identified as Anne before her death, was frustrated with the trappings of modern life, including fast food, consumerism and the amount of time people spend watching television.

Anne, a former electrician with the Royal Navy, was not terminally ill or seriously handicapped and traveled to Dignitas in Switzerland last month.

Before her death she told the Sunday Times: “People are becoming more and more remote … We are becoming robots. It is this lack of humanity.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: dignitas; euthanasia; switzerland; technophobia
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1 posted on 04/07/2014 12:35:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The suicide rate by the elderly is high.


2 posted on 04/07/2014 12:57:14 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Olog-hai
"“People are becoming more and more remote … We are becoming robots. It is this lack of humanity.” …"

I agree with Anne.

I was at the doctor's office. EVERYONE was staring at their tiny screen with just their thumbs moving. Yup,robots.

I brought a book. I feel so dated.

I think this computerized age is hard on the old timers. I know it's difficult for me.

Cellphones should never been allowed to go further than being a phone.

3 posted on 04/07/2014 1:18:02 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Simpletons are easy to spot these days, thanks to the cell phone

Don’t worry about what the idiots around you are doing and concentrate on the important things like family and philanthropy .


4 posted on 04/07/2014 1:46:32 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Olog-hai

Muslims are frustrated with modern life . . . just sayin’


5 posted on 04/07/2014 1:50:55 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

except they ought to stop trying to take people with them when they check out . . .


6 posted on 04/07/2014 1:51:54 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: Olog-hai

With any luck all of the liberal professors will follow suit.


7 posted on 04/07/2014 2:16:18 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: Olog-hai

Successful social interaction seems to require a level of courage nowadays. The trend away from social interaction suggests a general lack of courage. Apparently, courage is “not cool”. If it’s true that it takes so much courage to successfully interact (even in your own hometown), then something has gone wrong...very wrong.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 2:27:36 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; MinuteGal

“I think this computerized age is hard on the old timers. I know it’s difficult for me.
Cellphones should never been allowed to go further than being a phone.”

I hear you, however you do realize you wouldn’t be on Free Republic if it weren’t for the computerized age. In fact there would be no Free Republic. Plus you sell yourself short. Obviously you were able to master the computer enough to be on FR at any time of your choosing.

As to cellphones. Parents with children in school are very happy that cellphones can now be used to send text messages on them, as they can keep track of their school age children on them, and not have to worry so much as to their whereabouts or safety. When stuck waiting in doctors’ offices (and with Obamacare that wait could indeed lengthen) you can pull out your iphone or tablet and settle in to checking out FR or otherwise surf the web or read a book or magazine online or do bills, or play a game or watch a movie.

Years ago we couldn’t have imagined a microwave oven, now we can’t easily live without them. My mom claimed she never wanted a microwave, until she was given one, and then she was hooked. Technology advances, and I am in general delighted with it.

No one writes letters anymore; however, I maintain more people are writing now than ever before in history because of the internet, IM’s and e-mails that have made the U.S. Post Office almost obsolete. I can send messages back and forth at whim to friends overseas at the speed of the send button, and those in the military can keep in constant contact with their loved ones via e-mails and visually through Skype. Imagine that. Napoleon couldn’t do that, lol.

There are good aspects and bad ones to most anything in life, the yin and the yang. I guess you just roll with the punches on the bad things and thrive amongst the good. I for one prefer to see the good in today’s world of communication, even though occasionally its darker side gains some ascendancy. I just wouldn’t go back to the days of yore (except for in Hollywood acting) thinking that those days were so much better. In some ways yes, in many more ways, no.

To each its season, t’is the computer age, and believe me, existing in it is no reason on God’s great earth to decide to take an overdose of barbituates to end one’s life. That is the coward’s way out. Even if the woman ended up in a nursing home, she could have had friends there and social activities and some meaningful interactions. And nursing homes aren’t prisons; friends can come over and family and friends can take their loved ones out for visits. Granted, growing older, with its associated aches and pains isn’t necessarily a bowl full of cherries, but it still has its plusses, and it sure beats the alternative. Life is what you make of it; make lemonade.


9 posted on 04/07/2014 2:30:18 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47

“Years ago we couldn’t have imagined a microwave oven, now we can’t easily live without them.”

Not altogether true.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 2:40:56 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
I used to be “remote” as a kid because I'd be reading a good book I didn't want to put down.

Anne was 89. In good health for that age. She should have been counseled or treated for depression not allowed to ship herself off to be euthanized because people like Facebook.

11 posted on 04/07/2014 2:46:48 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: flaglady47
And yet with every modern convenience that has a "good" use, I'd venture to say that we regress further and further from what makes us unique as a human race.

I'll offer your statement that "more people are writing now than ever before in history because of the internet, IM’s and e-mails (etc.)." I'm not sure very much of this counts as "writing" by any objective measure. More and more of this "writing," as I see it, is in the form of e-mail and text messages that are spelled like something I'd expect to get from someone who is being held hostage.

With every step forward in one area of life, it seems like we're taking two steps backwards somewhere else.

12 posted on 04/07/2014 2:49:00 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: flaglady47

“Life is what you make of it; make lemonade.”

Assuming that life’s lemons are all that’s available? Don’t be too quick to settle for less. However, there does seem to be a ‘drive’ to have people do just that.


13 posted on 04/07/2014 2:50:20 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Olog-hai
I thought Dignitas' big claim to fame was helping those with terminal diseases in terrible pain end their lives without suffering. Anne was not suffering, except for perhaps psychological issues that could have been addressed. She was basically murdered.Dignitas just proved it does what it claimed not to do.
14 posted on 04/07/2014 2:54:13 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: equaviator

“Not altogether true.”

Not much untrue, lol. You won’t find many abodes without them, unless your Amish.


15 posted on 04/07/2014 2:58:25 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Olog-hai
My Robot Friend - Robot High School
16 posted on 04/07/2014 3:02:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Alberta's Child

“With every step forward in one area of life, it seems like we’re taking two steps backwards somewhere else.”

No we aren’t. I maintain it’s probably how you prefer to look at life. The old glass half empty or glass half full thingy. How many Freepers do you think are over the age of 50? I maintain most of them.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 3:02:53 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Olog-hai
The article says she was sad that she had to travel outside of the UK to commit suicide with Barbituates. So she has a relative using her story to fight for assisted suicide in Great Britain. Please, like you couldn't OD in GB. Makes you wonder if the relative decided it was time for her to go and convinced her of it to push an agenda. Any inheritance involved? I see a doctor also helped her fill out the "application".
18 posted on 04/07/2014 3:06:56 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
I agree with you and I think there's more to it. People get on the Internet and make rude comments to others because of their anonymity but I believe that has become habit because I see people who are unbelievably rude to each other.
19 posted on 04/07/2014 3:07:32 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Olog-hai

frustration with modern life

Ho could have moved to a muslim country and lived in the dark ages.


20 posted on 04/07/2014 3:12:29 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: MacMattico

Anne may not have been a pleasant person to others. She should have been counseled that it is none of her business whether people she does not know eat at fast foods and act like robots. It is their lives, not hers. Her death is sad, and some robot supporter of euthanasia just cut another notch in a belt.


21 posted on 04/07/2014 3:16:23 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Olog-hai
Technology is a tool, no more, no less, and humans choose how they will apply their tools. I can use a hammer to build or repair, or I can make a weapon out of it.

I don't feel isolated by technology. I feel more connected--but I don't keep a cell phone attached to my head or spend my days staring at a tiny screen. I choose to use a cell phone for emergency purposes only.

Many of my age-peers are intimidated by computers even today, but they have actually led me to read a number of books I never would have discovered any other way.

And by the way, when I do write--in cursive--I frequently use a fountain pen, so it is possible to blend all sorts of styles effectively.
22 posted on 04/07/2014 3:19:37 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: flaglady47
I will not sing to the benefits or wonders of modern technology, just make the following observations:

Increasingly, I observe people who are not aware of their surroundings, they are that involved in the gadget in their hand. Not just drivers, although daily I have avoided accidents with people who are invariably paying more attention to their 'smart' phone than their surroundings.

I am talking about people walking through stores and down sidewalks, allegedly 'working' in between messages--in all sorts of jobs, and those who cannot be bothered to pry themselves from their screen.

They seem increasingly emotionally disconnected from humanity while 'connected' to lines on a screen. They tap in LOLOL while someone goes off and hangs themself.

I can put this in perspective, however. If the SHTF, and for whatever reason their comlinks are lost, they will be the disoriented masses. wormbait.

Sorry, but that's how I see it.

The backyard gossip has reached the ability to spread their vile poison to the multitude at lightspeed, and it is literally killing some of our young.

We are bombarded with unprecedented amounts of 'information' but acquire little knowledge and even less wisdom as a result.

Most of it is meaningless fluff at best, often erroneous, and sometimes maliciously so.

In the meantime, it is a pity this person became so frustrated with the very technology she could have used to locate others who are frustrated with the effects on human interaction.

23 posted on 04/07/2014 3:26:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: flaglady47

So, not having a microwave in the home would represent some kind of hardship? A minor inconvenience perhaps but not an actual hardship.


24 posted on 04/07/2014 3:30:43 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: flaglady47
You won’t find many abodes without them, unless your Amish.

We use ours to heat water for tea or one of those noodle cups, or even warm a cup of coffee if the pot shut off. Not to cook. It is a convenience for heating water, little else, and would be easily lived without.

25 posted on 04/07/2014 3:31:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’d say it’s a generational thing except for the fact that you who are complaining so bitterly are right this very moment on a computer and obviously know how to use one well enough. And your “family” is probably fellow Freepers, especially if you are older and more homebound. Otherwise you would be at home twiddling your thumbs. Oh, that’s right, you have those other “modern” inventions such as the telephone, radio and TV to communicate with, listen to, or watch. Stop using them so that you can truly be isolated from humanity.

By the way, you sound just like that good old Luddite, Bill O’Reilly on Fox Cable TV. I’m sure that will make you happy.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 3:36:42 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Olog-hai

My mom just turned 90 and has made many transitions throughout her life to keep up with the rest of the World. She has a computer, smart phone, ipad and uses them to communicate with all of her family, friends and former 1st grade students. She taught her students to keep learning throughout their lives.


27 posted on 04/07/2014 3:38:50 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“We use ours to heat water for tea or one of those noodle cups, or even warm a cup of coffee if the pot shut off. Not to cook. It is a convenience for heating water, little else, and would be easily lived without.”

Okay, you don’t need it. Throw it out.


28 posted on 04/07/2014 3:39:41 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: equaviator

“So, not having a microwave in the home would represent some kind of hardship? A minor inconvenience perhaps but not an actual hardship.”

Who said a hardship? Your word, not mine. A modern convenience and a wonderful item yes. And one I would prefer not to live without.


29 posted on 04/07/2014 3:42:05 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Alberta's Child

“More and more of this “writing,” as I see it, is in the form of e-mail and text messages that are spelled like something I’d expect to get from someone who is being held hostage.”

Not amongst my friends, lol. Mine are quite literate. Don’t know who you associate with but doesn’t sound like the best crowd. You might need new e-mail and texting buddies.


30 posted on 04/07/2014 3:49:14 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m 64 and the wife is near 60. We laugh at the young’uns and their fixations with their cellphones, but we’re certainly not against new technology. The internet is a great thing whether many misuse it or not. The internet has helped many conservatives ally against the leftist threat. The internet (and FOX News and conservative talk radio) has done great work informing conservatives and combating the leftist fungus that is destroying this country.


31 posted on 04/07/2014 3:56:22 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

That last point of yours is a key one. If not for the internet, the liberal left would have a virtual monopoly on the dissemination of news and information. A terrifying thought.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 4:11:14 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: flaglady47

These aren’t my “buddies.” They are professional (allegedly) associates, co-workers, clients, etc.


33 posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: flaglady47
I am not wanting to be isolated from humanity, and I am not sure where you got that idea.

Humanity is not a display on a gadget, and if that is your entire focus, you are already isolated from humanity--even while you claim to be "connected".

I’d say it’s a generational thing except for the fact that you who are complaining so bitterly are right this very moment on a computer and obviously know how to use one well enough.

If pulling out in front of semi trucks is a "generational thing", if running into fixed objects on foot is a "generational thing", sure.

I have been using computers since the '70s. I know, compared to many here I am a latecomer.

I am a great grandfather, a geologist, and use computers for work (drilling horizontal wells would be a lot slower and harder without them). What I have noticed is the trend from useable software, bare bones but fully functional for my purposes, to graphic garbaged distraction fests which really are more difficult to work with, even to the point of hiding fundamental command menus behind graphics.

Let's get this straight, too, I use these machines to send tremendous amounts of data to clients and other people, they are wonderful. So is a claw hammer, a chainsaw, and a hydraulic jack, each in its place. It's a tool.

But when your life gets so wrapped up in the little screen that you fail to notice you run a red light in front of a tanker full of crude oil, your smart phone looks pretty dumb at the moment of contact.

How good is your kid's cell phone if they don't have it on (battery down), or if they just don't answer?

How much do you communicate with people with your TV?

Your radio?

I have a landline in case of severe storms, and a cell phone to use as a phone, when the towers are in range and functioning (yes, I am routinely in areas where there is no signal, even with adjustable gain multiband boosters and directional antennae).

So let me turn it around, 'cause I have seen grandkids sit at my table and text each other with their smartphones; when was the last time you had just a voice conversation with someone not immediate family lasting longer than hihowareya, fine, bye?

Maybe because I am a great grandpa I have seen people change, maybe that is just a question of my perspective, but I recall without so much as a record player sitting in my wife's grandmother's kitchen (the largest room in her house) on Saturday nights with most of her numerous uncles and extended family, a couple guitars, a fiddle, sometimes someone with a banjo or mandolin and having a darned good time not only catching up on all the local news that hadn't made the paper, but discussing ideas, swapping stories, and generally having fun.

We needed neither radio, microwave, cell phone, or computer to do that, and if the power went out, we'd just light a lantern or two and keep going.

I know what people don't even know they are missing.

Maybe y'all wouldn't have liked it anyway.

I have been through race riots and other not so fun human interactions, and all I can say is you may be seeing an image but you aren't there.

I think it is really funny that you think it has to be all one way or all the other, a typically Liberal form of hyperbole. I'm saying there is a time and place for most everything, and that some of it is out of place and running overtime.

As for BOR, I don't watch him, I think he's an ass. I really don't think you understood my point if you are comparing me to him, but that requires more than 'U no WTF sup' levels of English comprehension.

34 posted on 04/07/2014 4:25:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; MinuteGal

“We needed neither radio, microwave, cell phone, or computer to do that, and if the power went out, we’d just light a lantern or two and keep going.
I know what people don’t even know they are missing.
Maybe y’all wouldn’t have liked it anyway. ...
I have been through race riots and other not so fun human interactions, and all I can say is you may be seeing an image but you aren’t there.”

I see, you pick and choose those of the modern conveniences you approve of, and those that you don’t. How convenient for you. Computers good, tablets and cell phones not so good. And oh yeah, I’m sure most people would be just thrilled to go back to dinner by lantern light; after all, they don’t know what they were missing.

As you have stated (grandfather) and I suspected all along, you are older, and like many hypocritical older Freepers who claim to dislike modernity while hopping on their computers everyday to join their circle of Freeper friends and gossip and make snide remarks in comments (just like they accuse the younger folks of doing while texting on their cell phones with their friends) you complain about the younger generation. All that’s missing from FR are the selfies, although there are plenty of cartoons, pics, and vulgar jokes and innuendos by some. The younger generation’s tastes just aren’t the same as yours, although I’m sure that pains you.

I’m sure you personally know a whole slew of people who have been so wrapped up in the little screen that they fail to notice they ran a red light in front of a tanker full of crude oil. The odds are a lot greater that they were drunk, your generation’s vice.

As you said “how good is your kid’s cell phone if they don’t have it on (battery down), or if they just don’t answer?” I say how good is their cell phone if they have it on and do answer, or if they have an emergency and need to reach you? Is it good then? Especially if it’s one of your kids or grandkids using it for an emergency or just to say hello to gramps. I suggest you try taking your grandkids’ cell phones away and see what their parents’ reaction is when you do. And while you paint this dark portrait of the younger generation, do you feel the same way about your own grandkids or kids? Do they only speak ‘U no WTF sup’? If so, what does that say about how you raised your kids or they your grandkids?

You say “I have been through race riots and other not so fun human interactions, and all I can say is you may be seeing an image but you aren’t there.” Huh? I say, what the heck are you talking about? Your sentence makes about as much sense as again “’U no WTF sup’ levels of English comprehension.”

I might add I’m no spring chicken myself, being 67, but boy is my mindset different from yours. But again, you must be yet another generation or two above mine, as your attitude is old. And elitist. Nothing was better than the old days. Why when I was young ...


35 posted on 04/07/2014 5:20:04 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Alberta's Child

There’s nothing about text messages or email that requires them to be written in such a manner. Laziness and sloppiness are the fault of the users, not the technology.


36 posted on 04/07/2014 5:32:28 AM PDT by Bob
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Just wait until “smartphones” are embedded in your head, a prospect not far off.

Ultimately, you could have several processes directing your body while you think of or do other things. The computer can handle the mundane tasks of walking, driving, shopping, personal security, your job ..... You could be completely unaware of where you are or what your body is doing. Your body will seem robotic in NYC as your mind skis in Colorado.

37 posted on 04/07/2014 5:50:38 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: flaglady47
I might add I’m no spring chicken myself, being 67, but boy is my mindset different from yours. But again, you must be yet another generation or two above mine, as your attitude is old. And elitist.

I'm 47 and I live and breath technology being a system admin.

From my perspective, and this is based solely on your posts on this thread, you're the one with the old attitude. The "new" attitude (one that Smokin' Joe seems to have) is actually one of tempering the intrusion of technology into our lives, making conscious choices of when and where to use it and how. Weighing the costs and benefits.

There's a word for people who think everything that is modern is good - progressive. There's also a word for people who wish to preserve the best of the past - conservative. Guess which type of site you're on
38 posted on 04/07/2014 5:56:56 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: flaglady47
It was a pleasure to read your "Glass Half Full" assessment of technology. All too often - as I watch parents ignore their kids at the playground while checking Facebook on their IPhone for the 20th time that hour .... or having 140 character "tweets" replace relaxing face-to-face conversations over a cup of coffee - I tend to look askance at the next social technological marvel.

Probably the same way that my grandparents looked at TV, or my parents looked at video games. :-)

39 posted on 04/07/2014 6:04:45 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Alberta's Child

“These aren’t my “buddies.” They are professional (allegedly) associates, co-workers, clients, etc.”

Then you better get a new job; you’re running with the wrong crowd, lol.


40 posted on 04/07/2014 6:05:28 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: wbill

“Probably the same way that my grandparents looked at TV, or my parents looked at video games. :-)”

Bingo.


41 posted on 04/07/2014 6:07:32 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: equaviator

Send me back to the mid 1860s, war over, wide open country out west. You rode your horse, ate what you hunted, and lived how you wanted with no super cities out west. Wide open sky and land. That’s my idea of living.


42 posted on 04/07/2014 6:13:39 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
I can't stand to be separated from my phone but it is an old flip phone and it rarely comes out of my pocket. I know what you mean about everyone looking down at their smart phones all the time. I stop my car at a red light and in the car next to me the person is usually texting. Pathetic.
43 posted on 04/07/2014 6:15:32 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: chrisser
Weighing the costs and benefits.

If I may toss my $0.02 in.....exactly.

My grandmother learned - LEARNED - how to use a computer in her late 70s. This is a lady who would thought flush toilets were a modern marvel of engineering (and, having grown up on a farm with an outhouse, to her, they might as well have been....). Anyhoo, she used Facebook, email, etc, to keep in touch with all of her grandkids who were scattered all over the country. She was the "nexus" for the family, forwarding this photo, or that comment, along.

Technology was a perfect fit for her, particularly as she aged and was unable to travel to see family.

Me? I don't even have a Facebook account. I was on LinkedIn for about 5 minutes, and in that time had every single person who I'd ever sat across from at a meeting beating on my account for job prospects, or resume reviews, or recruiting. Never Mind. I dumped the account, it was too much of a pain.

And nothing frustrates me more than taking WBill Jr. to the playground and watching a couple of dozen adults sit on their butts, twiddling with smart phones. I'm right in the middle of things....pushing swings, flying kites, having a ball. They've not a clue what they're missing.

However, their kids do. I can't tell you the number of them - bunches, every single time - who come to me asking for help. A boost up. A push on the swing. Whatever. I'm willing to oblige because they're just starving for any attention. It's a little sad, but it also makes me focus on what's important for my kid.

44 posted on 04/07/2014 6:21:51 AM PDT by wbill
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To: chrisser

“From my perspective, and this is based solely on your posts on this thread, you’re the one with the old attitude.
There’s a word for people who think everything that is modern is good - progressive. There’s also a word for people who wish to preserve the best of the past - conservative. Guess which type of site you’re on.”

Which is it now, lol. First you accuse me of being the one with the old attitude. Then you turn around and say I think everything that is modern is good (which I never said, actually) and that I’m a progressive. Which is it, old attitude, new attitude? No attitude at all? Make up your mind.

I might add, those progressives you state have the attitude that all that is modern is good aren’t the progressives I know about. Most are Luddites, worshipping the earth mother Gaia, the back to the earth movement and one should go live out in the wild. No one other than on foot should be in the national parks, no snowmobiling, no cars (as they assume no one old might want to motor into a park to see sights they can’t see on foot). No fracking (conservatives want fracking), no use of coal, no exporting of natural gas, no use of anything but wind power or solar power, no women wearing makeup and they must be more on the ugly side.

Only electric cars. No guns. Money is evil (unless it is theirs), no foreign intervention or wars. Jobs are an evil necessity, better to be on welfare. Collectivism good, individualism bad. Less of everything for everyone. You don’t need those modern appliances, back to lanterns. Obamacare good, share the wealth (redistribute by taking from those that work) to give to the “poor” by coercion. Rules and regulations for everyone. So, it appears to me that progressives really are not, and conservatives really are in many areas progressive. It all depends on what your definition of “is” is.


45 posted on 04/07/2014 6:26:09 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47
Which is it now, lol. First you accuse me of being the one with the old attitude. Then you turn around and say I think everything that is modern is good (which I never said, actually) and that I’m a progressive. Which is it, old attitude, new attitude? No attitude at all? Make up your mind.

Actually, if you recall, it was you who first accused SmokinJoe of having an old attitude. to wit: " But again, you must be yet another generation or two above mine, as your attitude is old. And elitist". Your words.

Age is a continuum, and opinions and attitudes often swing like a pendulum among individuals and the society. My perspective, being 20 years your junior and having been immersed in technology for almost 30 years is that Joe's attitude is now being embraced by more and more adults (I don't much pay attention to the under 25 crowd as they change opinion more often than their underwear).

Joe (and MinuteGal) also didn't say everything modern was bad. So then what's your point in disagreeing with them and calling their attitude "old and elitist"? They said, to paraphrase, not everything about technology is wonderful, it has it's place but can also be a problem. You quite emphatically disagreed with that, yet you now say that "everything modern is good" is putting words in your mouth. So which is it? Make up your mind.
46 posted on 04/07/2014 6:36:11 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“As for BOR, I don’t watch him, I think he’s an ass. I really don’t think you understood my point if you are comparing me to him, but that requires more than ‘U no WTF sup’ levels of English comprehension.”

Actually it’s you who missed my point. BOR constantly is ragging about the evils of the Internet. However I actually agree with you on one point. BOR is an ass.


47 posted on 04/07/2014 6:40:28 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: chrisser

“But again, you must be yet another generation or two above mine, as your attitude is old. And elitist”. Your words.”

Both true.

“Joe (and MinuteGal) also didn’t say everything modern was bad. So then what’s your point in disagreeing with them and calling their attitude “old and elitist”?”

LOL, that’s really funny. I disagree with Joe, I was pinging MinuteGal to read this for a totally different reason, not because I disagree with her. She’s not here to disagree with, lol. If you only knew, lol again.

“Joe (and MinuteGal) also didn’t say everything modern was bad. So then what’s your point in disagreeing with them and calling their attitude “old and elitist”? They said, to paraphrase, not everything about technology is wonderful, it has it’s place but can also be a problem.”

You don’t even realize that MinuteGal hasn’t been on this thread, do you. And yet you speak as if she was, “Joe (and MinuteGal), and “They said, to paraphrase...” No, she didn’t say, as she’s not here. Looks like you’re the one who is putting words in her mouth. Someone who’s not even on this thread. Very good. Put your specs on and kick your brain up a notch. I know, it’s early.


48 posted on 04/07/2014 6:58:11 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47
I don't know why you posted to MinuteGal. I don't have to. It's common courtesy to include them. For all I know, there's another thread on the same subject. My apologies for not doing an exhaustive search of the entire history of FreeRepublic to ascertain why you decided to include MinuteGal. The context seemed to be addressing SmokinJoe, but I'm not a mind reader.

But if that minor oversight on my part is all you took from what I posted, then you'll forgive me for not wasting any further time on this subject with you. Good day.
49 posted on 04/07/2014 7:08:02 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: equaviator

There are also very few worth knowing, I know that inhibits my social interactions


50 posted on 04/07/2014 7:16:58 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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