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Help For Ukraine Would Be Equal To Helping Syrian "Rebels" When Obama Waited Too Long
4/11/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 04/11/2014 7:30:32 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama waited too long to help the Syrian FSA against the monstrous Assad regime. When some sort of intervention was talked about: (bombing, indirect support, arms, etc) it was TOO late to help, and it would most likely have helped (either directly or indirectly) terroristic elements and possibly Al Qaeda elements which had taken the lead in Syria against Assad. NO WAY ON DOING THAT. PERIOD.

And, once again, it is too late to help the Ukrainians against the thug Putin. (strike one against helping them). And as long as the Ukrainian gov't hasn't ran Svoboda and Right Sector and other undesirable elements ALONG WITH UNDESIRABLE PRO-RUSSIAN ELEMENTS IN UKRAINE (do both at once, geneiuses), why should we help Ukraine? (strike two in helping).

And RINO McCain supported the KLA of all people? RINO McCain pictured with Syrian rebels? RINO McCain on the platform at a rally and dining with Oleh Tyahnybok of Svoboda. Nice company /s? (strike three).

But we can help Ukraine now even if it indirectly helps Svoboda and Right Sector and other undesirables because we can deal with them later? Yeah, and we could have done the same thing with Assad and dealt with the undesirable Syrian "rebels" later, too. Both would be a dumb move.

RINO MCcain seems to always try to bail out Obama. Others do too, but that doesn't mean that rational-thinking people have to support it.

Let Europe handle this. This is their problem. But they would rather us foot the bill. Sorry, we are $17 trillion in debt, and broke. And Ukraine isn't a member of NATO.

If they were, it would be a different story.


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1 posted on 04/11/2014 7:30:32 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; caww; tcrlaf; little jeremiah; All

What say you?


2 posted on 04/11/2014 7:34:03 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

The Ukrainian gov’t needs to deal with Svoboda, Right Sector, other undesirables that side with them -— along with the undesirable pro-Russian elements in Ukraine that aren’t any better - all at the same time.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 7:40:02 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Let Europe handle this. This is their problem. But they would rather us foot the bill. Sorry, we are $17 trillion in debt, and broke. And Ukraine isn't a member of NATO.

Agreed. And then disband NATO. It's always a one way street and it's time for Europe to handle it's own affairs. The only thing NATO is good for is bombing Christians who are under attack from savage muslim thugs.

4 posted on 04/11/2014 7:47:02 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
Yeah, NATO didn't do squat when Christians were being slaughtered in Sudan.

Oh, but NATO is a defensive charter and defends NATO members only.

The countries that were at it with Serbia weren't NATO members, Serbia didn't threaten a NATO member, yet NATO went on the ODFFENSIVE with them. Gotta protect those Muslims that Serbia was messing with.

Gotta bomb Libya. Oil for Europe. Might hurt the world economy if we don't.

But this tiny little other African nation that was having its citizens beat up, too, and killed - Obama didn’t send in the NATO cavalry then or ask them to come.

5 posted on 04/11/2014 7:53:23 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If those Ukrainians didn’t overthrow their own government none of this would have happened. You made your bed, now lie in it.


6 posted on 04/11/2014 8:00:22 AM PDT by McGruff
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If those Ukrainians didn’t overthrow their own government...

No. Yanuckovich was impeached and he fled the country.

...none of this would have happened. You made your bed, now lie in it.

No. There is no justification for Putin threatening the country.

The content of your post aside, great post.

7 posted on 04/11/2014 8:43:55 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Even when Obama drew a red line against the Syrian regime using chemical weapons which the Syrian regime then subsequently used, Obama still refused to send weapons to the Syrian rebels. And that was hundreds of thousands of dead Syrians ago, who presumably could have been helped with American intervention.

So how can anyone believe Obama will now send weapons to Ukraine, which he hasn’t even drawn a red line about? In fact, he hasn’t even ended the government’s restriction against American companies exporting natural gas so that Ukraine and Europe would have an alternative if Russia turns off its natural gas pipelines.

Just because Vladimir Putin hasn’t pronounced the word ‘’Checkmate!’’ yet, he’s won the game against the West. How long before John Kerry will have no choice but to concede that America’s influence with Russia or any other country in the world has gone irrevocably ‘’Poof,’’ at least until we get a much better president?


8 posted on 04/11/2014 8:46:07 AM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is no leader in Ukraine for anyone to rally around.

Many reports that Ukrainian soldiers and the “Alpha” Special Forces REFUSED to storm the Separatist strongholds in Lugansk and Donetsk a couple of hours ago.

Not only did we start a civil war in Ukraine by backing the wrong side, AGAIN, but we handed Putin a historic opportunity, on a silver platter, he’d be stupid not to take.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 9:10:05 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Right, we’ll just let Putin help us out on this one too.


10 posted on 04/11/2014 9:18:11 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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Right, so if there is a big chance that the Obama administration will look weak and Putin strong, then we need to (once again) think about “helping’ -— like we came close to doing with the Syrian “rebels”?

Don’t think so.

If Europe is too weak, then too bad.

Time for them to get of their behinds and develop a backbone.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 9:59:42 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: FreeReign

Yanuckovich had no choice as even his family were being threatened by the Maidan.......

So what was the problem with Ukrainians waiting to the election...which was in a matter of months?

Most recognize the Maidan was infilitrated and hyjacked by organised, funded outside parties in order to accomplish the coup which took place.


12 posted on 04/11/2014 11:36:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff
If those Ukrainians didn’t overthrow their own government none of this would have happened. You made your bed, now lie in it.

Agreed. The folks who overthrew the government are more Communist than Putin is... which is why Obama is supporting them.

13 posted on 04/11/2014 11:39:10 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: tcrlaf

....”Special Forces REFUSED to storm the Separatist strongholds in Lugansk and Donetsk a couple of hours ago”...

They are actually now in the Government buildings along side the Pro-Russians and supporting them.


14 posted on 04/11/2014 11:39:14 AM PDT by caww
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“They are actually now in the Government buildings along side the Pro-Russians and supporting them”

Haven’t seen that, though I have seen that one of the Special Police commanders has resigned because he was ordered to attack.

The real trauma isn’t going to come in Donetsk, I think. The protestors are only armed with Molotovs, rocks, and a few pistols, just like the Maidan.

The flash point could be Lugansk, where there isn’t as much press coverage, the protestors are definitely armed, and much better organized.


15 posted on 04/11/2014 11:44:16 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: caww
Yanuckovich had no choice as even his family were being threatened by the Maidan.......

So what was the problem with Ukrainians waiting to the election...which was in a matter of months?

A President can't protect himself from protesters...really?

You make it sound like armed protestors chased Yanuckovich across the border to Russia.

More likely he was afraid of winding up in jail.

So he fled to Russia.

He was then impeached by about 75% of the Rada because he fled the country.

16 posted on 04/11/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by FreeReign
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Well when you view the video's and see the evidence...then yes his family was being threatened. I sure would have taken my family out of that situation...least you forget....


17 posted on 04/11/2014 12:46:51 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Will be interesting to see if or not Putin responds and at what point. Things are not close to a tipping point IMO. If any bend it will be Kiev......they are ready to let the east and south go from what I’m seeing. So if Putin goes in it will only be the Ukrainian people fighting him...the Gov. cannot send ‘troops’ because there’;s been no declaration of war.


18 posted on 04/11/2014 12:50:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Another placemark.


19 posted on 04/11/2014 10:31:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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