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The Questionable Link Between Saturated Fat and Heart Disease
Wall Street Journal ^ | 05/02/2014 | Nina Teicholz

Posted on 05/04/2014 12:04:14 PM PDT by Rusty0604

"Saturated fat does not cause heart disease"—or so concluded a big study published in March in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. How could this be? The very cornerstone of dietary advice for generations has been that the saturated fats in butter, cheese and red meat should be avoided because they clog our arteries.

The new study's conclusion shouldn't surprise anyone familiar with modern nutritional science, however. The fact is, there has never been solid evidence for the idea that these fats cause disease. We only believe this to be the case because nutrition policy has been derailed over the past half-century by a mixture of personal ambition, bad science, politics and bias.

One consequence is that in cutting back on fats, we are now eating a lot more carbohydrates— ...Excessive carbohydrates lead not only to obesity but also, over time, to Type 2 diabetes and, very likely, heart disease.

The real surprise is that, according to the best science to date, people put themselves at higher risk for these conditions no matter what kind of carbohydrates... Yes, even unrefined carbs.

The second big unintended consequence of our shift away from animal fats is that we're now consuming more vegetable oils...All of these got a boost from the American Heart Association—which Procter & Gamble, the maker of Crisco oil, coincidentally helped launch as a national organization...but it brought many potential health problems in its wake.

Seeing the U.S. population grow sicker and fatter while adhering to official dietary guidelines has put nutrition authorities in an awkward position. Recently, the response of many researchers has been to blame "Big Food" ... but it is also fair to say that the food industry has simply been responding to the dietary guidelines issued by the AHA and USDA, which have encouraged high-carbohydrate diets...

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: diet; health; heartdisease; saturatedfat
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I have had high cholesterol for years but fortunately I never went to a high carb diet because my digestive system did not agree to it. (didn't quit red meat either) I'm the only one in my family that hasn't diabetes type 2.
1 posted on 05/04/2014 12:04:15 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Cut open an animal that has been Corn fed ad cut open a naturally feeding animal.

The corn fed one will be the one with massive fatty deposits around the heart.


2 posted on 05/04/2014 12:07:25 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Rusty0604

Sugar is the culprit not fats.

Doe anyone really follow the stupid govt recommendations? They may listen to the doc but not some food pyramid.

Carbs and processed foods are cheaper, which is why most people go for em.


3 posted on 05/04/2014 12:18:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mylife

You are correct. I’ve seen so many mothers giving their kids corn for their vegetable and I always tell them corn is what cows are fed to fatten them up.


4 posted on 05/04/2014 12:19:35 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: mylife

It’s hard for a carnivore to get fat.

I’ve lost 23 pounds in total weight the last 70 days. Cut sugar and excessive carbs. Also burn 500-1000 extra cals a day working out. I’d estimate that I’ve put on 10 pounds of muscle in the same period.

Meat and green veggies.


5 posted on 05/04/2014 12:20:55 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604

I still won’t eat it.


6 posted on 05/04/2014 12:21:44 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: driftdiver

The article points out that too much sugar is not good either but that has been ignored.

Unfortunately, my daughters and daughter-in-laws follow gov’t regulations to a point that I worry about my grandkids.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 12:22:30 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: SampleMan

Good for you!


8 posted on 05/04/2014 12:23:16 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I eat everything. I love the fat on a nice juicy steak.

What I rarely do is mix proteins and fats.

I almost never eat butter and bread.

I don’t care to eat bacon and eggs. luv bacon but, I est it alone and I love it xtra crispy.

I don’t like cheese on my hamburger.

BP 120/80


9 posted on 05/04/2014 12:24:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Rusty0604; SampleMan

Yup.

But I do love a good ear of sweetcorn.


10 posted on 05/04/2014 12:25:29 PM PDT by mylife
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To: driftdiver

The food pyramid is inverted.


11 posted on 05/04/2014 12:26:06 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Rusty0604

“One consequence is that in cutting back on fats, we are now eating a lot more carbohydrates—at least 25% more since the early 1970s.”

They can speak for themselves. I’m done with carbs as a major ingredient of my diet. Yes, once in a while I might have rice, but still no bread, potatoes, extra sugar, etc.

These guys are ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS. Atkins debunked the idea that meat/eggs/cheese is bad for you, and the book Wheat Belly pretty much concluded the story, by explaining just what TODAY’S wheat does to the (non-adapted) human body.

So go Paleo, in some form.


12 posted on 05/04/2014 12:32:07 PM PDT by BobL
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To: driftdiver
No exercise is the culprit.

We humans used to be hunters and farmers. With those two occupations we could eat anything we wanted.
Also, people didn't live to their 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's with such regularity as today. So, on the "younger" bodies, that kind of fattening didn't occur.

I wonder just how long a human can comfortably live. We CAN'T live forever, so it's just probably how long the heart will last.

THEN the question arises: can we opt for another heart so that we can live longer? Hmmmmm.

13 posted on 05/04/2014 12:33:48 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Rusty0604

That’s a good article.

Of the several problem with vegetable oils, one is that most people don’t realize when soy/canola/etc truly are rancid—we don’t ever just drink the oil by itself. Because these oils have a lot of Omega-6 or Omega-3 oils, they turn rancid very quickly (months after opening). Added to this, we don’t typically refrigerate them, which would help extend their useful lives a bit. Racid fat sucks up all of our reserves of antioxidants to disarm their oxidative harm. Oxidated fats (not disarmed by antioxidants) help encourage the dangerous fatty cholesterol plaques lining our vascular system by damaging (nicking) the vessels (but even iron can act in a similar way).

There’s new hope in removing these normally permanent plaques, though. Statins aside, Vitamin K2 (MK-7) has been shown to greatly reduce standing cholesterol plaques in animals. It is now thought that deficiencies in magnesium, Vitamin D, Vitamin K, boron and calcium all contribute to proper cardiovascular and bone health, keeping calcium away from permanently becoming a part of the cholesterol/calcium plaque and pumping that calcium into bone.

I encourage everyone to read up on these items.


14 posted on 05/04/2014 12:34:03 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: mylife

I do too. There is a variety of red corn that is very good.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 12:34:06 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I’ve heard more than one cardiologist speaking who said sugar causes inflammation which the cholesterol then adheres too. One went so far as to say sugar acted like sandpaper in your arteries.


16 posted on 05/04/2014 12:34:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SampleMan
I could take a lesson from you. I had a heart attack in Oct. 2012. Doc warned me to lay off the fat, butter, salt, etc. Took Lipitor (poison) until I could no longer tolerate it. I have lost 18 lbs. since Jan 1st. Triglycerides are still through the roof. Tying to cut the carbs. Bread and sweets are my downfall.
17 posted on 05/04/2014 12:37:41 PM PDT by neal1960 (D m cr ts S ck. Would you like to buy a vowel?)
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To: Rusty0604

“The article points out that too much sugar is not good either but that has been ignored.”

That’s why I drink my coffee black all the time. Thought people who need sugar and cream are a bunch of wusses..


18 posted on 05/04/2014 12:38:53 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: ConservativeMind; All

I realize my last sentence in that post is not as clear as it should have been.

Please read it at this:

“It is now thought that deficiencies in magnesium, Vitamin D, Vitamin K, boron and calcium all contribute to improper cardiovascular and bone health, which, if supplemented, would help keep calcium away from permanently becoming a part of the cholesterol/calcium plaque, pumping that calcium into bone.”


19 posted on 05/04/2014 12:40:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: max americana

When I was young I used to work out on ranches and there was no cream or sugar to put in your coffee. I got used to drinking it that way and that’s the only way I can drink it.

It is entertaining watching some people in coffee shops ordering their drinks...wusses!


20 posted on 05/04/2014 12:45:27 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: ConservativeMind

Thanks, good info


21 posted on 05/04/2014 12:46:14 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

There are still some very interesting twists and turns on the diet front, however. With the 500 pound gorilla in the room being the intestinal flora.

At least one Phylum (out of 52), the Firmicutes, and 26 species of bacteria in the human gut microbiota, and the entire genus of Enterobacter appear to be linked to obesity and related metabolic complications, with obese people instead of having 30-40 major bacterial types in their flora, having almost 1/3rd of the physical space occupied by these “weight gainers.”

Others, such as Akkermansia muciniphila, and even the genus Bacteroides may fight obesity.

Studies indicate that long-term diet is strongly associated with the gut microbiome composition - those who eat plenty of protein and animal fats have predominantly Bacteroides bacteria, while for those who consume more carbohydrates the Prevotella species dominate. They feed on complex host-derived and plant glycans.

For its part, A. muciniphila lives in the mucin layer of the large intestines.

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/22/9066.full

It consumes Inulin and Oligosaccharide, which are not otherwise digestible by people. Along with other water soluble fibers, with which they may behave synergistically in promoting weight loss.


22 posted on 05/04/2014 12:47:08 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: neal1960
Triglycerides come almost entirely from carbs. They are needed as the in-between stage of a sugar becoming a fat, but we have far too much for our own good.

Remember, carbs can only be energy. Protein is preferentially muscle and all other tissue, but can become energy through a 25% calorie loss conversion process.

Fats are basically energy (like carbs), but some are required for the body to function (Omega 3 and 6 (in equal amounts, unoxidized and limited) and GLA (a type of Omega 6).

23 posted on 05/04/2014 12:47:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ConservativeMind

Boron is news to me—I’ll go look it up.


24 posted on 05/04/2014 12:48:55 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SampleMan

Me too. Finally decided to give it a whirl. Weight is down 36 pounds since Feb 1, BP has returned to normal, lipid profile better than ever, and I’m not starving myself. Beef, chicken, fish, eggs, once in a while bacon or pork, lots of vegetables with drawn butter, berries and apples and stone fruits for dessert, no sweet tropical fruits, and NO processed carbs at all, not so much as a slice of bread. Also laid off the beer and drink only an occasional dry red wine or Scotch on the rocks. I feel great.


25 posted on 05/04/2014 12:50:23 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Great point about gut bacteria. Aside from lettuce greens we may eat, the largest amount of Vitamin K we get comes from a variety of these intestinal bacteria, including E. Coli. Vitamin K is a very essential human need, and the main way most of us get it is apparently from this bacteria.


26 posted on 05/04/2014 12:51:39 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Rusty0604

probably the dumbest people I saw were people ordering donuts and they still put sugar in their coffee!

The entire donut is coated with sugar for crying out loud..


27 posted on 05/04/2014 12:54:55 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: BobL

“These guys are ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS. Atkins debunked the idea that meat/eggs/cheese is bad for you, and the book Wheat Belly pretty much concluded the story, by explaining just what TODAY’S wheat does to the (non-adapted) human body.”

Unfortunately the “studies” that seem to prove the merits of the Atkins diet are no better than the anti-fat studies.


28 posted on 05/04/2014 12:55:07 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Rusty0604
My take is there are 3 heart attack culprits: 1) Inactivity (clogs arteries) 2) Excess salt or sugar, 3) Insufficient alcohol intake

A little alcohol (preferably red wine) every day is a huge deterrent!

29 posted on 05/04/2014 12:57:37 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Interesting; any cliff notes on that article?


30 posted on 05/04/2014 12:58:11 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Cyman

“Unfortunately the “studies” that seem to prove the merits of the Atkins diet are no better than the anti-fat studies.”

I’d agree that Atkins probably went a bit too far in the anti-carb craze, but he started the discussion, which was LONG OVERDUE.

At this point, I’d still say that the evidence is on the side of those that say meat is ok to eat - and that is a HUGE CHANGE from conventional think of the past several decades.


31 posted on 05/04/2014 12:59:12 PM PDT by BobL
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To: mylife

Cut open an animal that has been Corn fed and cut open a naturally feeding animal.

The corn fed one will be the one with massive fatty deposits around the heart.
+++++++++
That is an extremely interesting observation. Can you expand a bit on what you mean by natural feeding? Cattle and hogs for example.

TIA.


32 posted on 05/04/2014 12:59:13 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: max americana

And those same people will raise their eyebrows at me for eating bacon and eggs, as if I’m ignorant.


33 posted on 05/04/2014 1:01:39 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: max americana

Vente drip....or even better....Peet’s brewed at home.

Can’t stand those gooey coffee drinks.


34 posted on 05/04/2014 1:02:47 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Cyman

Actually those who ate closer to Atkins did better on some of the biggest studies out there—e.g., the Framingham and nurses studies—but the researchers were just so set in their presumptions that they ignored those findings and tried to extract something else from the findings.


35 posted on 05/04/2014 1:06:12 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: driftdiver

Processed foods are really seldom cheaper.

E.g., compare the per pound price of a box of breakfast cereal with a dozen eggs.

Plenty of the healthiest veggies are sold for less than a dollar a pound, and many meat cuts are available for $2 a pound.


36 posted on 05/04/2014 1:08:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mylife

It’s alot more than corn they feed them. Bone meal, sorghum, soy, etc are used as well.


37 posted on 05/04/2014 1:14:09 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: BobL
Gary has launched the NuSi initiative, for a while now.
38 posted on 05/04/2014 1:15:33 PM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Rusty0604

Fast food joints used to cook french fries in animal fat (lard).

Now they´re cooked in vegetable oil. Not only do they not taste as good, they’re less healthy.


39 posted on 05/04/2014 1:17:02 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: InterceptPoint

Ones that are not fattened on Carbs.


40 posted on 05/04/2014 1:17:09 PM PDT by mylife
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To: aft_lizard

True.


41 posted on 05/04/2014 1:18:08 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Rusty0604
The video at this link is well worth anybody's time ..... pretty unbelievable actually how we find ourselves in an obesity epidemic .... government intervention, no/poor science, big money ..... the usual suspects.

How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

42 posted on 05/04/2014 1:18:10 PM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: Rusty0604

Most health problems in America today are caused by too much food and too little exercise.

That is all.


43 posted on 05/04/2014 1:19:13 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Rusty0604

The one link to what causes heart disease is the link to your daddy. It’s all in the genes.

Most older nutritionists are so far behind the times that it’s sickening. And they’re not going to change their spiel. If they did, they’d have to admit their entire career was wrong. My wife’s nutritionist with
Kelsey-Seibold gave her a diet that includes everything. It’s just in smaller portions. Her blood sugar was under control in a week.


44 posted on 05/04/2014 1:22:07 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Chuckster

Prescription medications with their numerous side effects don’t do jack for you either.


45 posted on 05/04/2014 1:28:32 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Qiviut

Thank you for the link.


46 posted on 05/04/2014 1:32:00 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: 9YearLurker

carbs are cheap and easy

the governments economic and agriculture policy has ensured this model.


47 posted on 05/04/2014 1:33:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Signalman
Fast food joints used to cook french fries in animal fat (lard). Now they´re cooked in vegetable oil. Not only do they not taste as good, they’re less healthy.

Specifically it's the soybean oil... for many reasons, it is unfit for human consumption... yet, it is in everything.

48 posted on 05/04/2014 1:34:32 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rusty0604

Gary Taubes’s, in his landmark book, “Good Calories, Bad Calories, “ was one of the first to comprehensively challenge the fat/meat is bad nonsense.


49 posted on 05/04/2014 1:36:11 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: The Californian; OldNewYork

Weston A. Price Foundation ping.


50 posted on 05/04/2014 1:39:34 PM PDT by Rodamala
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