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Oregon school shooting suspect fascinated with guns but was a devoted Mormon, his friends say
Fox News/AP ^ | June 12, 2014

Posted on 06/27/2014 8:58:53 AM PDT by Colofornian

TROUTDALE, Ore.–Jared Michael Padgett was a straight-arrow kid who had a fascination with guns, planned a career in the military and was deeply devoted to his Mormon faith, those who knew him say.

And they're all wondering why the 15-year-old took an assault rifle, a handgun and nine ammunition magazines to his high school and killed a fellow freshman, injured a teacher and took his own life.

Police said Wednesday that they have not been able to establish a link between Padgett and Emilio Hoffman, the 14-year-old who was shot dead in a locker room.

Police have not said whether they believe Padgett had a specific target when he arrived at Reynolds High School in Troutdale on Tuesday morning or planned a random shooting.

Padgett was passionate about guns and had a temper, but he also seemed like a nice and normal kid, students say...

Earl Milliron, a close friend of the Padgett family, said Jared planned a career in the military, was a devout Mormon and was ordained as a deacon at age 12. He was so dependable at church, Milliron said, that the bishop appointed Jared president of the deacons' quorum.

"His father never told me he was worried about Jared. And I never suspected that he had serious problems," said Milliron, 86, who has known the Padgett family for more than 25 years and belongs to the same church ward. "I refuse in my mind to believe that Jared Michael who did the shooting is the same Jared Michael I knew."...

Padgett's parents had separated about five years ago, and the father raised the couple's six children...

"I saw Jared at church every Sunday," he said. "He was very quiet, I never saw him angry, he was extremely even-tempered, he was always at the best possible behavior."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: banglist; inman; lds; mormonism; ordained; schoolshooter
From the article: TROUTDALE, Ore. – Jared Michael Padgett was a straight-arrow kid who had a fascination with guns, planned a career in the military and was deeply devoted to his Mormon faith, those who knew him say. And they're all wondering why the 15-year-old took an assault rifle, a handgun and nine ammunition magazines to his high school and killed a fellow freshman, injured a teacher and took his own life...Earl Milliron, a close friend of the Padgett family, said Jared planned a career in the military, was a devout Mormon and was ordained as a deacon at age 12. He was so dependable at church, Milliron said, that the bishop appointed Jared president of the deacons' quorum..."I saw Jared at church every Sunday," he said. "He was very quiet, I never saw him angry, he was extremely even-tempered, he was always at the best possible behavior."

(So this 15-year-old school shooter could be ordained in the Mormon Church as a 12-year-old, but a woman who advocated the priesthood for Mormon women is ex-communicated? See Mormons oust Ordain Women's Kate Kelly over women priests)

1 posted on 06/27/2014 8:58:53 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
(So this 15-year-old school shooter could be ordained in the Mormon Church as a 12-year-old, but a woman who advocated the priesthood for Mormon women is ex-communicated?

gobsmacked

2 posted on 06/27/2014 9:07:34 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Valerie Jarrett warned us they would "get even with those who opposed them"..)
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To: Colofornian
Let's see, this 15 year old “devout Mormon” was a Deacon. Hmmm, if he was so devout, he would have been made a “teacher” at age 14. Deacons are 12-13 year olds. And here I thought all these anti Mormon posts you spam were researched and honest.

Keep up the good work, your fruits are showing...

3 posted on 06/27/2014 9:08:48 AM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: Colofornian
but a woman who advocated the priesthood for Mormon women is ex-communicated?

It's good to know that even the Mormons understand not to practice such an act of defiance of God.

4 posted on 06/27/2014 9:09:58 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Colofornian

Another shooter with a mental illness.


5 posted on 06/27/2014 9:15:26 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

“Another shooter with a mental illness.”

Is there any documentation of this as in most of the other instances.

Thanks


6 posted on 06/27/2014 9:23:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni Won-Doer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Grampa Dave

The last five years of mass shootings, all the shooters were on psychotropic drugs or some sort. (Two had the same psychologist)
I’m traveling and only have a mobile device and no computer, when I get home I’ll send the links. (Ping in me in a week, to remind me)


7 posted on 06/27/2014 9:27:56 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

Love to see the list for future reference.


8 posted on 06/27/2014 9:30:33 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Colofornian

“So this 15-year-old school shooter could be ordained in the Mormon Church as a 12-year-old, but a woman who advocated the priesthood for Mormon women is ex-communicated?”

What would you have the church do differently? Should they refrain from ordaining any twelve-year-old males as deacons because of the possibility that one of them will later murder someone?


9 posted on 06/27/2014 10:09:48 AM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: Texan Tory; Elsie; All
What would you have the church do differently? Should they refrain from ordaining any twelve-year-old males as deacons because of the possibility that one of them will later murder someone?

I have a bright idea (please pass it along to the Mormon Elite who run the company): How about following the Bible in pinpointing eligibles for deacons:

8 In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9 They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons. 11 In the same way, the women are to be worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything. 12 A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well. (1 Timothy 3:8-12)

Obviously, TT, deacons in the early Christian Church -- if they had a wife and children and were not to be given to much wine -- were mature, respected ADULTS.

10 posted on 06/27/2014 10:16:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Your continuous bashing of Mormons is REALLY getting tiresome.


11 posted on 06/27/2014 11:06:01 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

It is obviously an obsession.


12 posted on 06/27/2014 11:13:13 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Texan Tory

The responsibilities of a twelve-year-old deacon in the Mormon church would not tend to be as great as the responsibilities of an adult deacon as described in 1 Timothy, but their assignments introduce them to the concept of service in the priesthood for the good of others, such as the passing of the sacrament trays of bread and water. I can see how you might object to the nomenclature of referring to these boys as deacons, but how could anyone object to the service they provide for the benefit of others (such as passing the sacrament)? Most of these deacons will probably grow up to be fine, law-abiding citizens. However, if there is a large enough pool of deacons (12-year-old or even adult), the odds are that one (or a few) of these will later commit terrible crimes, but this should not be an obstacle to the worthy idea of trying to place wholesome responsibilities on these youth.


13 posted on 06/27/2014 11:17:12 AM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: panaxanax; truth_seeker; All
ALL: So a devoted Mormon teen shoots a fellow kid at school and injures a teacher, and Panaxanax is more concerned about the poster of this article than he is about a kid who shot up others at schools?

This reminds me where you hear about those overly concerned about people who drive panel trucks (or simply stand on the public sidewalk) showing pictures of aborted babies in the proximity of high school and college campuses.

They are more concerned about the images of aborted babies being made public to students than the violent murders which caused those babies to be mangled to begin with!

With those people who object to aborted images -- but not to how those babies became that way -- there's a deep moral and spiritual void looming there!

14 posted on 06/27/2014 11:39:44 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Texan Tory; All
The responsibilities of a twelve-year-old deacon in the Mormon church would not tend to be as great as the responsibilities of an adult deacon as described in 1 Timothy, but their assignments introduce them to the concept of service in the priesthood for the good of others, such as the passing of the sacrament trays of bread and water. I can see how you might object to the nomenclature of referring to these boys as deacons, but how could anyone object to the service they provide for the benefit of others (such as passing the sacrament)?

My initial comment in this piece was contrasting how 12 year old boys could be entrusted with deacon responsibilities in the Mormon Church; but if any woman dare advocate that females could carry these same "introductory" responsibilities in the Mormon Church, they are at risk of ex-communication!

If this is all so "grand" -- for 12-year-old BOYS to be introduced into "service they provide for the benefit of others" -- then why might you object to 12-year-old GIRLS who could be "introduced" into "service...provided for the benefit of others?"

Wouldn't this also be "wholesome responsibilities" to include girls -- if it's so "beneficial" for both the girls and others?

15 posted on 06/27/2014 11:45:10 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

It certainly would be beneficial for girls to be introduced into the same responsibilities as the boys if it were the will of God that the priesthood should be extended to women as well as men. I think that is the central question here: should the priesthood be extended to women? The leaders of the church do not believe that women are supposed to hold the priesthood. Kate Kelly, the protester who was excommunicated, objected to the doctrine of a male-only priesthood, so there was an impasse. Apparently, she not only held an opinion contrary to the church leaders on this issue, but actively campaigned against the church doctrine by forming the group “Ordain Women,” and holding protests at church meetings. So her excommunication was the result of her actively fighting against the church on this position, not for merely holding the opinion. I am sincerely sad for Ms. Kelly, because she clearly did not want to be expelled from the church (according to the NY Times article I read), but I also see the position of the leaders. She is certainly free to join with others who have a similar view, and form a new church if she wishes.


16 posted on 06/27/2014 12:17:23 PM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: panaxanax; truth_seeker; All
(Do you go on Obama threads & tell FReepers there that their "bashing" of Obama is "really getting tiresome?")

FACT: The Mormon Church has continually invited critiques by its actions, by its words, by its doctrines, and by its spiritual counterfeiting, amongst still other areas.

17 posted on 06/27/2014 12:24:58 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

There is so much biblically wrong with a 12 year old “Deacon” that it doesn’t rate an explanation among Christians.


18 posted on 06/27/2014 12:32:31 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Ripliancum
Keep up the good work, your fruits are showing...

So are yours...



Genesis 50:24–31

24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.

25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.

26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

27 Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

28 And he shall bring them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers; and he shall do whatsoever work I shall command him.

29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the king’s daughter, and shall be called her son.

30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins; and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days;

31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.

 

19 posted on 06/27/2014 1:11:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

Here in Fishers, Indiana, the kids just use knives...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Fishers,+Indiana+stabbing&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&gws_rd=ssl


20 posted on 06/27/2014 1:12:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panaxanax; teppe; staytrue
Your continuous bashing of Mormons is REALLY getting tiresome.

And YOUR continual WHINING about it is really getting attention.

Keep the faith; Choose The Right; and We Thank Thee, oh GOD, for a Prophet.

21 posted on 06/27/2014 1:15:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: truth_seeker
It is obviously an obsession.

Yup; I've given up a year of my life to obsess over the CORRECT religion.

The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

22 posted on 06/27/2014 1:17:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: truth_seeker
It is obviously an obsession.


I see you've kept all your old memos...



Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

April 21st, 2012

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
Hot diggity dog; our boy has MADE it!!
Now beware; for the media is gonna be on us like... well; you know the saying.

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain ELSIE (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there!
 
Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.
 
Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation
that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.
 
As always, Tommy M.  
 
(Keep pressing that we are CHRISTIAN and avoid anything MORMON like the DEVIL!!)

23 posted on 06/27/2014 1:18:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
If this is all so "grand" -- for 12-year-old BOYS to be introduced into "service they provide for the benefit of others" --

Well; if this dude had made it to an older age, and got to go on his mission; then #53 would have kicked in and he would NOT have shot ANYONE; except with spitballs or a slingshot.

24 posted on 06/27/2014 1:21:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

(Maybe his ‘little factory’ wasn’t functioning well.)


25 posted on 06/27/2014 1:21:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
...suspect fascinated with guns but was a devoted Mormon...

The author has obviously never heard of John Moses Browning.

26 posted on 06/27/2014 1:30:58 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: Texan Tory; reaganaut; Graybeard58; All
...holding protests at church meetings

My understanding is that the group merely showed up at these meetings. There were no placards, no chanting.

How loosely are either you -- or the Mormon Church -- or both...playing with the word "protest?"

It certainly would be beneficial for girls to be introduced into the same responsibilities as the boys if it were the will of God that the priesthood should be extended to women as well as men. I think that is the central question here: should the priesthood be extended to women? The leaders of the church do not believe that women are supposed to hold the priesthood.

#1...As 1 Tim. 3:8-12 shows, there isno Biblical basis for pre-teen boys to hold deacon "priesthoods"...therefore, if there is no Biblical precedent for that, then Mormon leaders can't fall back on "no Biblical basis" for girls, either.

#2...Show me ANY verse in the other additional Mormon "scriptures" which says women cannot hold the Mormon priesthood.

#3...I noticed that your default position was "the leaders of the Church" says...not the Bible...not the Mormon Standard Works...just "leaders of the Church."

Tell us, didn't "leaders of the Church" also tell the world and the Mormon Church that blacks couldn't hold the priesthood? Wasn't that the "leaders of the Church" status quo for 150 years? (And if they were wrong then, why do you place such faith in them?)

You would have to concede then that the "will of leaders of the church" is NOT the same thing as "the revealed will of God!"

27 posted on 06/27/2014 2:25:52 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: truth_seeker

“It is obviously an obsession.”

Yes, it is. Almost to a dangerous level.

It sure is fun to watch them explode after lighting their short fuses. So predictable.


28 posted on 06/27/2014 6:03:09 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

“Yes, it is. Almost to a dangerous level.

It sure is fun to watch them explode after lighting their short fuses. So predictable.”

‘So predictable’ is right. Obsessions are like that.


29 posted on 06/27/2014 8:50:43 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Elsie

168. Breathe in, breathe out. repeat as needed to remain conscious.

CC


30 posted on 06/29/2014 2:15:16 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Celtic Conservative

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31 posted on 06/29/2014 5:14:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
 

32 posted on 06/29/2014 5:17:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Just pointing out that the list you posted was all encompassing, and repetitive to the point of tedium.

CC


33 posted on 06/29/2014 8:37:14 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Celtic Conservative; Elsie
Elsie is the numero uno obsessive/compulsive on FR today.

The butterfly nets chase him!

Leni

34 posted on 06/29/2014 8:48:42 AM PDT by MinuteGal (The Infernal Revenue Service - forever to be known as the BS-IRS)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Tedium is RIGHT!


35 posted on 06/29/2014 7:53:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MinuteGal
Elsie is the numero uno obsessive/compulsive on FR today.

Today??!!??



Didn't you read the date on the memo?

36 posted on 06/29/2014 7:55:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

“ALL: So a devoted Mormon teen shoots a fellow kid at school and injures a teacher, and Panaxanax is more concerned about the poster of this article than he is about a kid who shot up others at schools?”

You are a stuck record, played over and over again on any thread about Mormons. There is something very obsessive/compulsive about your behavior. If you are old, it’s a lost cause, as you will go to your grave trashing Mormonism. Although your tombstone will probably say something anti-Mormon. If you are younger, then I just feel sorry for you that you are so unhealthily obsessed. Are you married to a Mormon woman, or were you ever?


37 posted on 06/30/2014 12:49:12 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47
...will go to your grave...Are you married to a Mormon woman, or were ever?

(Never married into Mormonism...but hey, thanks for trying to guess motives on our new FR game show Jeopardy Judgmentalism!...re as to the question to the answer, "Why you think truth shouldn't be buried")

38 posted on 06/30/2014 9:05:17 AM PDT by Colofornian
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