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The Universe Shouldn't Be Here, According to Higgs Physics
Live Science ^ | 06/23/2014 | Tia Ghose

Posted on 07/03/2014 11:34:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The universe shouldn't exist — at least according to a new theory.

Modeling of conditions soon after the Big Bang suggests the universe should have collapsed just microseconds after its explosive birth, the new study suggests.

"During the early universe, we expected cosmic inflation — this is a rapid expansion of the universe right after the Big Bang," said study co-author Robert Hogan, a doctoral candidate in physics at King's College in London. "This expansion causes lots of stuff to shake around, and if we shake it too much, we could go into this new energy space, which could cause the universe to collapse."

Physicists draw that conclusion from a model that accounts for the properties of the newly discovered Higgs boson particle, which is thought to explain how other particles get their mass; faint traces of gravitational waves formed at the universe's origin also inform the conclusion.

Of course, there must be something missing from these calculations.

"We are here talking about it," Hogan told Live Science. "That means we have to extend our theories to explain why this didn't happen."

Bang!

One possible explanation holds that during the fiery flash after the primordial Big Bang explosion, matter raced outward at breakneck speeds in a process known as cosmic inflation. This bent and squeezed space-time, creating ripples known as gravitational waves that also twisted the radiation that passed through the universe, Hogan said.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: bigbang; higgsboson; universe

1 posted on 07/03/2014 11:34:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just whip up another batch of “dark matter” and everything will work out.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 11:35:08 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe it was God.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 11:37:19 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: SeekAndFind

Shows to go that even with top of the IQ chain brilliance such is this, there is still a lot to learn about physics.

Now, contrast this with the “settled science” cr*p coming out of the D- average dorks who keep trying to perp global cooling, er, global warming, er ...climate change on us.


4 posted on 07/03/2014 11:38:14 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course, there must be something missing from these calculations.

Quite a mystery! What could it be?? God only knows!

5 posted on 07/03/2014 11:38:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well then the stupid models and equations are wrong!
Can’t these “scientists” see that? They are not true scientists, looking for the truth. They have a set of preconceived notions and won’t let go of them, even when there is evidence they are wrong.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 11:39:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: SeekAndFind
what looked like primordial gravitational waves to the BICEP2 telescope may actually be signals from cosmic dust in the galaxy, said Sean Carroll, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology and author of "The Particle at the End of the Universe: How the Hunt for the Higgs Boson Leads Us to the Edge of a New World" (Dutton Adult, 2012).

If the details of cosmic inflation change, then Hogan and Fairbairn's model would need to adapt as well

Fun stuff!

7 posted on 07/03/2014 11:41:41 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind
RSR's List of Shocked Evolutionists
Date: Jun 27, 2014
Length: 30:50
8 posted on 07/03/2014 11:42:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Finally, I have to mention a man who made life at the WH very sweet- Crustmaster & his crack pies")
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To: SeekAndFind

The didn’t account for the period of global warming in the 12th microsecond of expansion.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 11:48:07 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: I want the USA back
From the article:

"We are here talking about it," Hogan told Live Science. "That means we have to extend our theories to explain why this didn't happen."

I guess he's not a "true scientist". Whatever that is. He thinks the theories need to be adjusted.

10 posted on 07/03/2014 11:50:17 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: SeekAndFind

Or it could be that God created the universe and keeps it stable by His will.


11 posted on 07/03/2014 11:53:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And no one is asking what the conditions were just before the Big Bang took place.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 11:54:41 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind

if time is bent and squeezed, is that how the “days” of creation became so complex? just wondering.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 11:55:29 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: SeekAndFind

One possible explanation holds that during the fiery flash after the primordial Big Bang explosion, matter raced outward at breakneck speeds in a process known as cosmic inflation. This bent and squeezed space-time, creating ripples known as gravitational waves that also twisted the radiation that passed through the universe, Hogan said.


What is this guy smoking?.....


14 posted on 07/03/2014 11:56:51 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: deweyfrank
Maybe it was God.

God has provided abundant evidence that when it comes to the physical universe he wanted it to be understandable, predictable, and he refrained from magic.

15 posted on 07/03/2014 12:04:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course, there must be something missing from these calculations

"Just add water…"

16 posted on 07/03/2014 12:04:33 PM PDT by mikrofon (Hap-helion Day 2014 ... 94.1M miles)
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To: ClearCase_guy

…exactly!!!

(There are scriptures that back it up too.)


17 posted on 07/03/2014 12:08:46 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: deweyfrank
Maybe it was God.

He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.

Jeremiah 10:12

18 posted on 07/03/2014 12:13:24 PM PDT by Hoodat (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: SeekAndFind

If there is one thing I’ve learned with modern science is science becomes settled and results can never ever be questioned. The only thing left to debate is how big of a government program is required.


19 posted on 07/03/2014 12:17:24 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: deweyfrank

Seems like the stuff these people believe takes more faith than simply acknowledging there is a Creator.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 12:22:30 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: SeekAndFind
They have to find the real god particle, Higgs wasn't it.

21 posted on 07/03/2014 12:24:14 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: SeekAndFind
The universe shouldn't exist

I knew it! This weird lifetime I've experienced has all been an illusion and I don't really exist.

Which explains the mail I receive addressed to "occupant".....

22 posted on 07/03/2014 12:28:33 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: SeekAndFind
But, but 97% of scientists believe in the Big Bang!
23 posted on 07/03/2014 12:36:14 PM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: SeekAndFind

What if God instead of creating a universe, created instead a computer simulation of one, Let there be light was the power switch being turned on or the program starting up and compiling was the big bang....

I could write for a stoner magazine, LOL


24 posted on 07/03/2014 12:41:25 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Wait. Let me get this straight:

I'm a scientist. I have a new theory that says the universe shouldn't exist.

But it does exist.

Therefore, the my theory proves that the universe is wrong.

What am I missing?

25 posted on 07/03/2014 12:41:54 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Phillyred

“Seems like the stuff these people believe takes more faith than simply acknowledging there is a Creator.”

Yup. There’s a book on that: “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” by Geisler & Turek. (It’s basic apologetics for the layman.)


26 posted on 07/03/2014 12:42:43 PM PDT by shoe212 (One of the few Conservative professors in the Midwest.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought it was settled science that we were here.


27 posted on 07/03/2014 12:44:23 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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Big Bang Theory?


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28 posted on 07/03/2014 12:52:17 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

LOL!!! But soooo true.


29 posted on 07/03/2014 1:04:50 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: I want the USA back

Actually they do see that, and you would have seen they see that had you bother to spend 2 second reading instead of jumping in using your preconceived notions to call other people stupid.


30 posted on 07/03/2014 1:11:22 PM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: deweyfrank
Maybe it was God.

Science, tying itself in knots, to explain the divine, they cannot explain.
31 posted on 07/03/2014 1:49:06 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Moonman62
God has provided abundant evidence that when it comes to the physical universe he wanted it to be understandable, predictable, and he refrained from magic.

Sorry, this God-loving / God-fearing semiconductor designer can tell you...

...that while God may have wanted His physical creation understandable to a point (thanks, God, for the limited speed of light, seriously!)...

...it is categorically not predictable (quantum dynamics)...

...and when considering things like the observer effect and quantum entanglement, it pretty darn close to "magic"!

32 posted on 07/03/2014 1:54:04 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: 98ZJ USMC
The Universe Shouldn't Be Here

It isn't.

Our Mind Represents the World (and in fact only Senses a small fraction of Reality) and thus the World we see is an Illusion (Maya) and this Ignorance of the True Nature of Reality is Avidya.

33 posted on 07/03/2014 1:59:56 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Yossarian
...it is categorically not predictable (quantum dynamics)...

Quantum dynamics is highly predictable, otherwise you wouldn't have a job. As one time Freeper and scientist, Physicist used to say, quantum physics is the most precise science we have.

34 posted on 07/03/2014 2:00:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Quantum dynamics is highly predictable, otherwise you wouldn't have a job. As one time Freeper and scientist, Physicist used to say, quantum physics is the most precise science we have.

I can calculate the probability of a single event happening, but I can't predict the results of a single event. This becomes quite the real problem when devices only have but a handful of electrons to do their work with.

35 posted on 07/03/2014 2:09:22 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: SeekAndFind
This bent and squeezed space-time, creating ripples known as gravitational waves that also twisted the radiation that passed through the universe, Hogan said.

That makes no sense, scientific or otherwise...

How can there have been "radiation that passed through the universe"? Where did that radiation from from? Was it external from the universe? If so, where did the external radiation come from?


36 posted on 07/03/2014 2:20:16 PM PDT by adorno (Y)
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To: SeekAndFind

They need to use the Three Amigo’s (Hansen, Mann & Jones) Global Warming computer model. Just enter the desired result and the data necessary to arrive at that result will be generated ... it works every time .....


37 posted on 07/03/2014 2:20:25 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Surgeon General Warning: Operation of Government Motors vehicles may be hazardous to your health)
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To: Yossarian

Scientists have been doing experiments with single electrons and photons for a long time now. The results are highly predictable. They do use probability, but that is also a branch of mathematics, and I don’t know of any competent scientist or mathematician who would equate it with the supernatural or magic.


38 posted on 07/03/2014 2:49:48 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Scientists have been doing experiments with single electorons and photons for a long time now. The results are highly predictable.

When done time after time, the aggregate of the results follow probability very closely. A SINGLE EVENT IS NOT PREDICTABLE.

I don’t know of any competent scientist or mathematician who would equate it with the supernatural or magic.

How about this guy?

He famously referred to quantum entanglement as “spukhafte Fernwirkung”, translated as "spooky action at a distance".

Here's another freaky occurrence to keep in mind: Observer Effect. Watch this movie to learn more about it.

Hence my comment as "pretty darn close to 'magic'"....

39 posted on 07/03/2014 3:41:13 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

Is it more accurate to say that quantum particles are guided by the hand of a supernatural being or that they follow the rules of quantum dynamics?


40 posted on 07/03/2014 6:33:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh heck he has to go and say th


41 posted on 07/03/2014 8:19:53 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Moonman62
Is it more accurate to say that quantum particles are guided by the hand of a supernatural being or that they follow the rules of quantum dynamics?

Easy! Quantum particles ultimately are guided by the hand of the Creator, as He owns the whole Lego set and He may do as He likes. God designed the universe, and in so doing, created the matter/energy/time/space within it, including all the normal laws that they all behave by.

If He wants to, He can override the system (like any good engineer), and He's done so on any number of occasions.

Regarding the known and discoverable laws of quantum dynamics, they are definitely non-intuitive, and apparently non-predictable (with 100% certainty, for any given single event) for those of us who live inside this space-time-matter-energy contraption.

I'll note that you were the first one to bring religion into this, and you quoted the guy (Physicist) who was thrown out of FR for trying to pervert science into a weapon against faith. That is truly a futile - and unsupported on FR - road to go down.

42 posted on 07/03/2014 8:53:16 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: mbarker12474

Maybe we’re still in the first microsecond of the big bang. We all just move really, really fast.


43 posted on 07/03/2014 9:00:27 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Yossarian

I was responding to someone else who brought religion into the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3175636/posts?page=15#15

You butted in.

********

Physicist still has an account here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~physicist/

He left on his own, which is too bad because he was informative on scientific matters, though I differed with him on subjects like libertarianism.

Quantum particles do follow the rules of quantum dynamics. As I said before, if they didn’t you wouldn’t have a job.

If you don’t think the universe is understandable and predictable as created by God, then let’s see you provide evidence for your claimed miracles using the same high standard you set for predictability.


44 posted on 07/03/2014 9:23:51 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If there were massive inflation, wouldn’t that indicate that a Dem administration was in office shortly after the Big Bang?
Cheers!


45 posted on 07/03/2014 9:26:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Moonman62
Look, if you choose to not believe in the current state of understanding of quantum physics, that's your choice.

If you have a theory (and an experiment to prove that theory) that the wave function is to be treated as something absolute, and not a probability density, well, knock yourself out - if you can do it, you'll win yourself a Nobel Prize fer sur.

That you claim I don't believe in the rules of physics that makes my career in electronics possible is a joke, but, hey, you have the freedom to be a preening faux-intellectual joker, too...

...but it doesn't mean you're right.

46 posted on 07/03/2014 10:00:47 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian
From The Strange World of Quantum Mechanics:
The fact that quantum mechanics is strange does not mean that quantum mechanics is unsuccessful. On the contrary, quantum mechanics is the most successful theory that humanity has ever developed; the brightest jewel in our intellectual crown. Quantum mechanics underlies our understanding of atoms, molecules, solids, and nuclei. It is vital for explaining aspects of stellar evolution, chemical reactions, and the interaction of light with matter. It underlies the operation of lasers, transistors, magnets, and superconductors. I could cite reams of evidence backing up these assertions, but I will content myself by describing a single measurement. One electron will be stripped away from a helium atom that is exposed to ultraviolet light below a certain wavelength. This threshold wavelength can be determined experimentally to very high accuracy: it is
50.425 929 9 ± 0.000 000 4 nanometers.
The threshold wavelength can also be calculated from quantum mechanics: this prediction is
50.425 931 0 ± 0.000 002 0 nanometers.
The agreement between observation and quantum mechanics is extraordinary. If you were to predict the distance from New York to Los Angeles with this accuracy, your prediction would be correct to within the width of your hand.
Why do you consider randomness and probability to be evidence for the supernatural, especially when it doesn't stop quantum mechanics from making very accurate predictions, explaining numerous natural phenomenon, and greatly increasing our understanding of God's creation?
47 posted on 07/04/2014 1:29:41 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In a sane world Obama wouldn’t be here, but here we are...


48 posted on 07/04/2014 1:38:01 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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