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Hospitals at Increasing Risk of Overheating Due to Climate Change (Yeah, Right)
Telegraph UK ^ | July 9, 2014 06:00 GMT | Emily Gosden

Posted on 07/09/2014 2:02:17 AM PDT by Up Yours Marxists

Nine out of ten hospital wards may be at risk of overheating, increasing the dangers for vulnerable patients who are left sweltering in temperatures of more than 26C (78.8F), government advisers have warned.

Poor ventilation, thin walls, low ceilings and big windows that can barely be opened are contributing to temperatures far exceeding acceptable levels during hot weather, according to the Committee on Climate Change.

One fifth of domestic properties could also already be overheating, with flats especially vulnerable, it finds.

The number of people dying prematurely from overheating could triple to 7,000 per year by the 2050s as global warming makes deadly heatwaves of the kind seen in 2003 the norm, unless housing and hospitals are adapted to cope with the heat, the CCC says.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: algore; chickenlittle; climatechange; globalwarming; healthcare; hennypenny; hospitals; socializedmedicine; unitedkingdom
This could NEVER happen in socialized single payer systems where hospitals are forced to cut corners on HVAC systems...right???

More chicken little malarkey from the global warming scaremongers.

1 posted on 07/09/2014 2:02:18 AM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Up Yours Marxists

What a bunch of cr**. How much did they get paid for this study?


2 posted on 07/09/2014 2:18:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Up Yours Marxists

” sweltering in temperatures of more than 26C (78.8F)”
Sweltering at 78.8F?

In Texas, that’s called “balmy”.


3 posted on 07/09/2014 2:23:16 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Up Yours Marxists

you have to be a total marx-sucking dope to be on the “committee for climate change”.


4 posted on 07/09/2014 2:24:50 AM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
The number of people dying prematurely from overheating could triple to 7,000 per year by the 2050s as global warming makes deadly heatwaves of the kind seen in 2003 the norm, unless housing and hospitals are adapted to cope with the heat, the CCC says.

And yet our stupid governments keep pushing electric utilities to shut down coal plants and keep push forward on renewable energy sources.

Coal produces cheap electricity and renewables produce ludicrously expensive electricity.

What is the primary cause of people dying in heat waves?

It is that people have had their electricity shut off because of non-payment or they would not run the air conditioning because they were afraid of high electric bills.

Why is electricity expensive? Well DUH!

If the Libs are really worried about people dying they should get out of the way of new coal fired and nuclear power plants. A market flooded with new electric plants will bring down the price of electricity and people will be able to heat and cool their homes with out breaking their budgets. Cheap electricity saves lives.

5 posted on 07/09/2014 2:38:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Yes, unfounded hysteria on climate effects, yet curiously not one thought about the millions of untreated illegals that are entering this country, each day with increasingly more complex medical problems.


6 posted on 07/09/2014 2:40:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Poor ventilation, thin walls, low ceilings and big windows that can barely be opened are contributing to temperatures far exceeding acceptable levels during hot weather, according to the Committee on Climate Change

What hospital opens their windows? The proper ventilation system in a hospital or in patient multi story health care facility is not the same as typical commercial building or residential systems. First of all there is no return air system. It works with outside air at the intake going across the coils and the cooled sir distributed throughout the ventilation system. No air return is done as a hygiene measure. You don't want virus and bacteria in your air. The building is slightly pressurized and that pressure is released through entrance doors and the elevator shafts.

The biggest thing that hurts hospitals is under sizing the capacity of the A/C plant itself as an initial cost cutting measure in construction. In a typical US hospital we're likely talking anywhere from 300-1000 tons of cooling needed depending on how large the facility, what type of equipment is operating in the way of electronics, and if adjoin office buildings are hospital physical plant dependent. In other words adding say a CT Scan machine, etc would add to heat load. The UK is likely adding equipment but not increasing their tonnage capacity in cooling.

Heat loads on these buildings by outside weather factors have not gone up. Many things can substantially increase or decrease the heat load though such as overcast skies, closing curtains on the side of the building the sun is hitting allows for significant lower temps.

The biggest risk to a hospitals A/C isn't global warming. It's power failures that are the threat and most generator can not cover the large power capacity to run the units. After about 12 hours of no A/C in a hospital with a concrete floor the floors begin to sweat. That too is dangerous. But if the unit itself break down or units and need several days to repair them that generally can be remedied within about 12 hours by bringing in a flatbed tractor trailer with a portable chiller on it. Most hospitals have set up to allow for this remedy in the US.

7 posted on 07/09/2014 2:43:05 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Up Yours Marxists

This article makes a little bit more sense once you realize few buildings the UK have A/C.


8 posted on 07/09/2014 2:50:24 AM PDT by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: Fzob
This article makes a little bit more sense once you realize few buildings the UK have A/C.

True but that's not due to Gorebull Warming or climate change. The issue can be resolved by upgrades. I would question their health care practices like open windows as being a much greater threat to patients.

9 posted on 07/09/2014 2:56:50 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Or you could turn up the air conditioning a notch.


10 posted on 07/09/2014 2:57:57 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Finding a way to blame the ills of socialized medicine on climate change.

These bureaucrats must have given themselves an orgasm.


11 posted on 07/09/2014 3:51:10 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
It's not Global Warming, you idiots. It's the aborted babies you're using to heat your hospitals.

The Telegraph: Aborted Babies Incinerated To Heat UK Hospitals

12 posted on 07/09/2014 4:13:38 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Coming from the south, I’m always amazed at how cold Europe is during the summer months.

I guess 78 is hot to them where I’m comfortable at 90.


13 posted on 07/09/2014 4:33:43 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Fascinating. Notice what’s missing?

Any documentation of increased heat waves in Britain over the last few decades.

I don’t know enough to say they aren’t happening, but it’s really odd they don’t bother to put in statistics showing it is. The assumption is apparently that “everybody knows” the whole world is getting hotter, therefore UK is, therefore UK hospitals are.

And you know what they say about assumptions.


14 posted on 07/09/2014 4:37:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: cva66snipe
The proper ventilation system in a hospital or in patient multi story health care facility is not the same as typical commercial building or residential systems. First of all there is no return air system. It works with outside air at the intake going across the coils and the cooled sir distributed throughout the ventilation system. No air return is done as a hygiene measure. You don't want virus and bacteria in your air.

Uhh, don't know where you live, but that's not the way the hospitals work here in FL. I spent three years consulting for a problem hospital in South FL, and I can guarantee you the building has lots and lots of return air ducts in it.

The building is slightly pressurized and that pressure is released through entrance doors and the elevator shafts.

If a large building is cooled using 100% fresh air, it won't be "slightly pressurized," it will be highly pressurized, and there will be pretty much a gale exiting whenever an outside door is opened.

Not saying it wouldn't be a good idea to operate hospitals this way, simply that it's not actually how they work.

In fact, here in FL the state regulatory agency has a requirement that hospitals operate at neutral pressure to the exterior. It's a remarkably stupid requirement, since among other things it's just not possible, but the requirement is there.

In a hot/humid climate, hospitals, like all other buildings, should operate on a slight positive pressure to help prevent intrusion of humid air, and to ensure that building envelope cavities are generally filled with dry "inside air" rather than humid "outside air."

Properly run hospitals do, of course, have specially pressurized rooms for immune-compromised patients (positive pressure) and highly infectious patients (negative pressure).

Not sure what they do when the patient is both immune-compromised and highly infectious. Start making funeral arrangements, I guess.

15 posted on 07/09/2014 4:48:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

BTW, for a large building to operate on conditioned 100% fresh air, it would have to be designed to allow for exhaust from all over the building, not just at doors and elevator shafts.

Otherwise, air would stagnate in the center of the building and contaminants would build up.


16 posted on 07/09/2014 4:52:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

“The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet.”

“I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don’t think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, ‘tomorrow could be too late, let’s do now what we need to do’.”

“I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet.”

—Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005
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Bin Laden blasts US for climate change

CAIRO – Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming, according to a new audiotape released Friday.

In the tape, broadcast in part on Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden warned of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring “the wheels of the American economy” to a halt.
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“Charles Manson, the notorious cult leader, has broken a 20-year silence in an interview from his prison cell to warn the world of an impending apocalypse due to global warming.

[snip]

“Everyone’s God and if we don’t wake up to that there’s going to be no weather because our polar caps are melting because we’re doing bad things to the atmosphere,” he said.

“The automobiles and fossil fuels are destroying the atmosphere and we won’t have air to breathe.


17 posted on 07/09/2014 4:52:18 AM PDT by ETL 2
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To: ETL 2

Chavez, bin Laden and Manson are (or were) warmists. This does not of itself disprove that AGW is happening.

Implying that it does is the logical fallacy known as (or perhaps that should be known as) reverse appeal to authority.


18 posted on 07/09/2014 5:12:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: cva66snipe
The biggest thing that hurts hospitals is under sizing the capacity of the A/C plant itself as an initial cost cutting measure in construction.

Can't speak to UK hospitals or buildings in general, but in USA, at least in FL, a much more common problem is oversizing rather than undersizing AC systems for the load.

Doing so greatly reduces the ability of the system to control humidity, which, regardless of what this article implies, is much more important to the health of the occupants (and the building itself) than the temperature.

BTW, in any large building, opening windows around the perimeter will do little or nothing to control temperatures in the center of the building.

19 posted on 07/09/2014 5:17:11 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

“...unless housing and hospitals are adapted to cope with the heat,...”

Don’t they have AC across the pond? Just wondering...


20 posted on 07/09/2014 5:32:36 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're the bug.)
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To: carriage_hill

Note to self: Read further into thread before posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3177770/posts?page=8#8


21 posted on 07/09/2014 5:34:21 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're the bug.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

More likely odds Hospitals at Increasing Risk of Overheating Due to Ray Guns from Little Green Men from Mars.


22 posted on 07/09/2014 5:51:45 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Up Yours Marxists

The enviro-liars are getting desperate.


23 posted on 07/09/2014 6:16:44 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Sherman Logan

What do you call the logical fallacy where one incorrectly presumes a person’s intent? What makes you think I was using their statements to disprove man-made global warming? What at least 2 of them have, or had, in common with the far left here is their “solution” to the alleged problem of man-made global warming (aka, GoreBull Warming), that being to collapse the American economy.


24 posted on 07/09/2014 7:12:02 AM PDT by ETL 2
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To: Rich21IE

In Texas, that’s called “balmy”.”

Sometimes we even refer to it as a cold front. Weather forecasters are making a big deal of our local temps not reaching 95 yet this year. All of them are certifiably crazy. It is what it is. They just need to suck it up and move on.


25 posted on 07/09/2014 7:15:01 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: ETL 2

I don’t see where I presumed that was your intent.

I made a generic statement that opinions held by bad people are not therefore proven to be incorrect. Sometimes bad people are right.

My apologies if I came across as snarky. Wasn’t my intent.


26 posted on 07/09/2014 9:37:36 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Uh I think I would know how the buildings I worked in were designed and operated. I worked on and maintained the actual units. LOL. I'm talking about multi story buildings cooled by Chill Water A/C plants using air handlers. The water is cooled by the chiller or in technical terms heat removed from the water and piped to the air handlers. The air handlers have a large fan of around 100 HP and air blows across the coils. The air comes straight in from the outside. From there it is distributed throughout the rooms. A basic and simple system.

I worked on these systems both in the Navy and after I got out. Believe it or not aircraft carriers use the same basic system. NO return air. Yes the buildings would pressurize but not it's not that much. Duct size, fan capacity determine and regulate that along with a damper on the louvers at the outside intake itself.

At night when things calmed down I could sit in my shop close to the air handlers and near the elevators I could tell you when someone entered the building by hearing the pressure change.

Now some spaces may have return but it would not likely be the patients area. This would likely happen because a specific piece of equipment had it's own cooling unit. Modern facilities may now have return older ones do not. The pressure is enough that if you have to take up a commode to replace the wax ring air will come up from the piping. The air handlers themselves? It took a bit of strength to open the door into the machinery room due to the pressure. We had one-three hundred ton chiller and three air handlers that cooled a six story 200 bed nursing home and other spaces. But I've also seen hospital systems and even a hotels system No return duct. The would take up too much real-estate within the buildings.

27 posted on 07/09/2014 3:31:48 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Sherman Logan
IF an owner is smart they will oversize meaning going as far as installing an extra chiller. Back ups are a good idea. Places like Chiller ON Call may have their portable units tied up elsewhere. I worked in a facility where it was undersized slightly. Most of the time it could keep up but some days it was touch and go and I had them closing curtains in patients rooms.

You do not want the windows open for several reasons. Safety is one. And it is called Air Conditioning for a reason. Ozone levels in a city are an issue and cause issues for patients with compromised breathing. You want the air filtered as much as possible and the proper humidity maintained to lessen encouragement of unwanted bacteria etc.

Any maintenance man can walk up to their chiller and make it operate at reduced capacity as if the building were under capacity. The way you'll know if you are cooling too much when using multi chillers is simple. The will be running at low capacity or cycling on low chill water temp.

28 posted on 07/09/2014 3:41:33 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Rich21IE
In Texas, that’s called “balmy”.

You may be right, but it seems like most public places I go into in the South feel more like 68F than 78F, LOL.

29 posted on 07/09/2014 3:43:58 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: cva66snipe
clarification: The pressure is enough that if you have to take up a commode to replace the wax ring at basement level the air will come up from the piping that commode connected too. Upper floors? No.
30 posted on 07/09/2014 5:06:35 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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31 posted on 07/09/2014 7:57:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Border Crisis = Cloward-Piven, Chicano-style!)
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To: Sherman Logan

No problemo. Misunderstanding.


32 posted on 07/10/2014 4:06:02 AM PDT by ETL 2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
LOL - these Alarmists need to make a list of everything unpleasant to humans - and claim them ALL as consequences of global warming. Let's just get all their lies out at the same time.
33 posted on 07/10/2014 5:09:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (Remember the oath is to "support and defend the Constitution" - not the President. FRrfreedom4u)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Don’t global warming scaremongers know hospitals exist in places like Florida? AND even existed BEFORE air conditioning?


34 posted on 07/10/2014 5:13:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Remember the oath is to "support and defend the Constitution" - not the President. FRrfreedom4u)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Wasn’t it just a few months ago that pensioners in the UK were having a difficult time with electric bills and were riding public transportation all day so they could stay warm?


35 posted on 07/10/2014 5:18:29 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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