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Why the Myers-Briggs test is totally meaningless
Vox ^ | July 15, 2014 | Joseph Stromberg

Posted on 07/17/2014 8:52:34 AM PDT by EveningStar

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is probably the most widely used personality test in the world.

An estimated 2 million people take it annually, at the behest of corporate HR departments, colleges, and even government agencies. The company that makes and markets the test makes somewhere around $20 million each year.

The only problem? The test is completely meaningless.

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KEYWORDS: myersbriggs; personalitytest; psychology; typeindicator
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1 posted on 07/17/2014 8:52:34 AM PDT by EveningStar
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INFP here.


2 posted on 07/17/2014 8:53:13 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Borges; Slings and Arrows

ping


3 posted on 07/17/2014 8:53:44 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I am right on the edge of introvert/extrovert ... so much so that different versions of the test have me on different sides of the line.


4 posted on 07/17/2014 8:54:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: EveningStar

INTP


5 posted on 07/17/2014 8:55:35 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Same here.


6 posted on 07/17/2014 8:56:06 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I am right on the edge of introvert/extrovert ... so much so that different versions of the test have me on different sides of the line.

I am on the edge of everything, except introvert. I usually express as an I in the 90% or so range. The other three letters can be anything depending the test and my mood.

So I'm an I[whatever][whatever][whatever] :D
7 posted on 07/17/2014 8:56:45 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: EveningStar

FUBO here.


8 posted on 07/17/2014 8:58:26 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: EveningStar
But the test was developed in the 1940s based off the untested theories of an outdated analytical psychologist named Carl Jung,

The author writes that as if the name isn't widely known. It is also up for discussion whether the theories of these guys are outdated. As styles come, go and come back again. I have no use for the anti-Christian C.G.Jung, but saying he is an "outdated analytical psychologist named Carl Jung" is like saying the author is an "archaic playwright named William Shakespeare."
9 posted on 07/17/2014 8:58:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: EveningStar

Is that anything like the Briggs-Stratton test?


10 posted on 07/17/2014 8:58:42 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: EveningStar

“Meaningless” is a meaningless term.

When I was in college, our entire Computer Science class took the Meyers-Briggs. Over 50 students. Every last one of them scored INTJ. I was the closest to an exception, getting nearly 50-50 on I vs E and P vs J.

Comp Sci people are bound to be INTJ; it fits the demands of the discipline. Does this mean you should say, “So, you’re INTJ.. you should be a Comp Sci major”? No. I guess that makes it “meaningless” to the author. But it DOES mean that there is some validity to the testing. And the presence of that validity means that there must be some use.


11 posted on 07/17/2014 9:01:51 AM PDT by dangus
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To: EveningStar
The REAL personality types made relevant.
12 posted on 07/17/2014 9:01:53 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: EveningStar

Its not a personality test used by clinicians because it is a test of personality preferences with no clinical value. The most common clinical tests of personally functioning are the MMPI-2 and the MCMI-3.


13 posted on 07/17/2014 9:02:05 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: EveningStar

I looked for citations of multiple studies failing to show any efficacy of MB but didn’t see any in the article.


14 posted on 07/17/2014 9:03:28 AM PDT by Prolixus (We feed; they breed.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

It’s actually pretty standard that when people take the test multiple times they get different results. It’s one of the reasons the test is considered meaningless, any psych test that can give different results on different days is at best a parlor game.


15 posted on 07/17/2014 9:04:23 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: EveningStar

I was cool with the test until they asked me about my Mother.

16 posted on 07/17/2014 9:05:44 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: EveningStar

INTJ here.


17 posted on 07/17/2014 9:07:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: JamesP81
I am right on the edge.

Suggested career paths:
Ax Murderer
Concert Violinist
Forest Ranger
President of Bolivia

BTW, HR people are IMNVHO, the scum of the corporate world. When did they get away from making sure restrooms were properly marked and figuring out vacation schedules into corporate policy?

OMG, I know, I know, it is hard work coming up with good candidates. That perfect Asian/Hispanic/Afro-American Transexual with Bi-Polar Issues, a Single Mom/Dad, some Native American Ancestry, and Programming Skills is just not out there sometimes. (Hint: Try India?) But the hardest part is coming up with HR jargon to defend ignoring qualified male causasian candidates over 40.

Perfect HR Candidate? Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. or II.

18 posted on 07/17/2014 9:07:47 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

No. The Briggs-Stratton test conclusively determines whether you are two stroke or four stroke.


19 posted on 07/17/2014 9:08:08 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: Jeff Chandler
[ Is that anything like the Briggs-Stratton test? ]

I always have trouble with this test when it comes time to mow the damned lawn...

20 posted on 07/17/2014 9:09:08 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: EveningStar

I remember when my employer had a bunch of us take the test. The results showed the majority to be subservient. In other words, it was a nice gimmick for the employer to use to tell employees they didn’t have the personality to think on their own or challenge their boss.


21 posted on 07/17/2014 9:09:53 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I wouldn’t even call Carl Jung “anti-Christian.” He had beliefs which conflicted with Christianity, but he did not blame terrible things on Christianity, or find it on the whole to be more harmful to the human race than any organic substitute would be. In fact, he probably took some of the anti-Christian edges off of Freudian psychology and made much of it useful to Christianity. For instance: Freud blamed Christian “repression” for subconscious motivations; minus that bias, the subconscious can be seen as the mechanism for concupiscence.


22 posted on 07/17/2014 9:10:07 AM PDT by dangus
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To: aimhigh

“Subservient” is NOT one of the Myers-Briggs personality test. If someone is characterizing a Myers-Briggs trait, or some combination of them, as subservient, that is their own invention.


23 posted on 07/17/2014 9:11:43 AM PDT by dangus
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To: EveningStar

I worked at a hi tech company (1990) where the HR VP decided she would slot everyone in a database with their Meyers Briggs type for who knows what use....without permission...I told her ADMIN to get me off that list...and shortly thereafter left....I HATE being TYPED....btw...I THINK I was INTP...on the day I took the test...


24 posted on 07/17/2014 9:14:14 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: discostu

If someone gets different results, that can only mean they changed their answers. You can’t blame a test which asks about preferences for fickleness; you can only note that such fickleness decreases the accuracy (which is an entirely different measure than validity).


25 posted on 07/17/2014 9:14:34 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I just skimmed the article, and that appears to be the flaw: Meyer-Briggs (arguably) is a good indicator of one’s personality-type, but anyone using its results to predict future performance is engaging in what Hayek alluded-to when he created the term, “fatal conceit.”


26 posted on 07/17/2014 9:15:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Jeff Chandler

That one tests your horsepower


27 posted on 07/17/2014 9:15:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: GraceG
Gracie, You has failed your Briggs-Stratton Test!

These lawnmower gizmos are designed NOT to start when operated by people wearing flip-flops. It's an OSHA thing.

I must admit, as far as pedicures go, it looks like, you know, could be really quick?

28 posted on 07/17/2014 9:15:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: goodnesswins
I HATE being TYPED....btw...I THINK I was INTP

INTP's hate being typed, incidentally. :)

29 posted on 07/17/2014 9:16:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: discostu
Exactly. The MB has no test-retest reliability and no statistical or construct validity.

People like it because it is simple to "interpret," easy to take, and like horoscopes, has a positive interpretation for every outcome. Important when you have 20 million dollars in earnings at stake.

30 posted on 07/17/2014 9:17:39 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kenny Bunk
BTW, HR people are IMNVHO, the scum of the corporate world.

Oh, baby, do you have THAT right! I have never worked for a firm in which the HR people were anything less that stupid, venal, craven and useless for anything except protecting their own phony-baloney jobs.

31 posted on 07/17/2014 9:18:11 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Kenny Bunk

[ Gracie, You has failed your Briggs-Stratton Test! ]

Taht’s not a pic of me, I usually wear some actual Boots when I mow the lawn, however I usually end up in that stance when the mower won’t start.... I need a new mower...


32 posted on 07/17/2014 9:19:00 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: dangus

They do change their answers, that’s part of the problem. The questions are vague enough and subject enough to the whims of your mood that your answers won’t stay the same from day to day. And that’s most definitely a problem with the test. A good psych exam a person will answer the questions the same way over and over and over (barring long term changes in personality of course) because the questions are focused on core personality traits that don’t change. Simply how much sleep you have will change your MB results, go take the test now and retake it right before bed time, you will probably have different results. Which makes it very much NOT a personality test.


33 posted on 07/17/2014 9:20:28 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: Dr. Thorne; Kenny Bunk

Could the rise of HR departments can be traced the glut of government regulation of employer/employee interaction? You need an entire department to merely keep track of it all.


34 posted on 07/17/2014 9:21:19 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Dr. Thorne
HR people are IMNVHO, the scum of the corporate world.

Since you agree with me, Doc, why you must be OK! But we mustn't be cruel. HR may serve some purpose, after all. HR is often the place where corporations stash Affirmative Action Ani who could wreak havoc in the financially productive sectors of the operation.

Again, Barack Hussein Obama is the perfect HR candidate. This gay jackass would be hired at any American corporation with an HR Department in a heartbeat. You? I don't know.

35 posted on 07/17/2014 9:24:58 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: EveningStar
Let me guess. Instead of a ten dollar test employers cagoule be giving their employees a thousand dollar test, right?

I bounce between ISTJ and INTJ depending on the exact wording of the questions.

36 posted on 07/17/2014 9:26:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: GraceG
mower won’t start

Complain to the EPA. Ethanol in our fuel is the death of many a small engine.

37 posted on 07/17/2014 9:27:09 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: HerrBlucher

FUBAR here.


38 posted on 07/17/2014 9:27:38 AM PDT by DaiHuy (May God save the country, for it is evident the people will not! Millard Fillmore)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Is that anything like the Briggs-Stratton test?

I'm CPSS (Choke Pull Stutter Start) on the Briggs-Stratton test.

39 posted on 07/17/2014 9:28:36 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: EveningStar
Story time with WBill....

So, at a former job, a million years ago, I needed to take one of these tests (not a Myers-Briggs, but one like it) for a three-day, off-site work retreat.

I didn't particularly like the job or the people, and I wasn't planning to stick around for very long, so I read over what the test measured. One of the measures was "Dominance", so when I took the test, I made sure that my answers would score high in that category ... figuring that it would give me carte blanche to be a complete a$$ to everyone for three days. :-)

Instead, senior management looked at the results and said "Hmmmm. I see that you score high in "Dominance". How would you like to be a manager? It comes with a nice promotion and this large pile of money." ....So, I said "Allrighty, guess I'm 'dominant'"....and I managed their field team for a couple of years until I moved on to greener pastures.

True story. Also shows the value (or total lack thereof) of tests like this.

40 posted on 07/17/2014 9:29:45 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

The only value i got out of this test was learning why the department manager in the equities division was such a POS.

INTJ with Scorpio rising.


41 posted on 07/17/2014 9:30:50 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: KarlInOhio

What in the world is cagoule? How about “could” instead.


42 posted on 07/17/2014 9:31:20 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: EveningStar
LOL! This nails it! Obama's missing, but he would seem to be INFJ.
43 posted on 07/17/2014 9:39:06 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I now see where Obama is an ENTP according to this, but I think the author misreads Obama as a discontented centrist would, rather than as someone familiar with his Alinskyite tactics would.


44 posted on 07/17/2014 9:42:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

LOL


45 posted on 07/17/2014 9:43:33 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: OneWingedShark

Me also.


46 posted on 07/17/2014 9:45:02 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: dangus

Fascinating post on INTJ’s clustered in computer science.

I am INTJ, but not a techie. Writer and developmental editor. Also close to center in I vs E, depending upon what’s going on in my life at the time. Working as a department head, I was much closer to E; retired, definitely I. I’ve seen this categorized as XNTJ.

INTJ’s comprise only .03% of the female population. I share this distinction with Hitlery, if certain analysts are to be believed. Big sigh.


47 posted on 07/17/2014 9:45:59 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!

I favor the ancient Greek’s quadrant approach (Galen’s four types: cholerics, melancholics, phlegmatics, and sanguines). Add that there only two types of humans (conscious and unconscious, relating to recognizing why they do what they do), and you have a very useful sorting system.


48 posted on 07/17/2014 9:49:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: neocon1984
it is a test of personality preferences

One would think that preferences would dictate actions. As an INTJ, I'm inclined to seek certain lines of work. Anyone who hired me to deal with the public would be very sorry very soon, and so would I. But give me a research project, and I'm happy as a clam. Clam being the operative word.

49 posted on 07/17/2014 9:50:39 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Edward Teach

Brilliant! Your original work?


50 posted on 07/17/2014 9:55:01 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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