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What happens when a $35,000 Tesla arrives?
CNET ^ | July 20, 2014 2:30 PM PDT | Brooke Crothers

Posted on 07/21/2014 7:37:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Tesla said this week that its $35,000 entry, due in 2017 (or thereabouts), will be called the Model 3. One of the keys to making a cheaper Tesla is battery technology, as CEO Elon Musk pointed out to Auto Express earlier in the week.

I chatted with John Voelcker, senior editor for High Gear Media, which publishes Green Car Reports, in the wake of the news. He offered insight into what impact a lower-priced Tesla might have.

Q: Tesla has sold very pricey cars to date. How might a $35,000 Model 3 shake things up?

John Voelcker: A list price of $35,000 is a very nice place to be as compared to the current Model S, which is selling well for its category, but this is a category that starts at $70,000 and goes up to six figures. So, if Tesla can in fact introduce the Model 3, as it's now called, at a base price of $35,000 with a 200-mile electric range, that will take them into a whole new order of magnitude of volume.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: battery; efv; energy
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1 posted on 07/21/2014 7:37:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Still to expensive.

35K is still a “luxury” car.


2 posted on 07/21/2014 7:40:02 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: BenLurkin
One of the keys to making a cheaper Tesla is battery technology


3 posted on 07/21/2014 7:41:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: BenLurkin
No thanks.

I want gas, and pistons, and cams, and horsepower.

4 posted on 07/21/2014 7:41:18 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: BenLurkin

Many libs will trade their Priuses in for Teslas?


5 posted on 07/21/2014 7:41:36 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: BenLurkin

To be honest $35k is still too expensive. Model S is marketed as $70k, but its really $100k to get a good version. So I suspect it will cost $50k to get a good version. 3 years is very optimistic. I suspect 5-10 years before we see affordable tesla cars


6 posted on 07/21/2014 7:42:46 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: dhs12345

And I doubt there’s any such thing as a used electric car.


7 posted on 07/21/2014 7:42:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: dhs12345

$35k is barely above the price of the $32k average car.

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/average-american-can-no-longer-afford-%E2%80%9Caverage-priced%E2%80%9D-new-car-or-truck—and-why-it-s-getting-worse-013001053.html


8 posted on 07/21/2014 7:44:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: BenLurkin

Elon Musk just came out in support of destroying the Patent system. Said garage tinkerers, etc, with new ideas should just take them to a big company, seeking employment in return.

Now, the guy did walk the talk by releasing all of Tesla’s patents. But at this stage of the game he can afford to, right?


9 posted on 07/21/2014 7:44:47 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Victor
If you really want liquid hydrocarbons, pistons and cams that's your business. Everybody has some kink ...

I want horsepower, and quick refueling.

Where's my nuclear powered car?

10 posted on 07/21/2014 7:45:11 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: dhs12345

Yeah... most people don’t spend more than $1500 in gas, even with today’s prices.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 7:45:37 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dhs12345

It is for me. I own 2 Hyundai Sonatas, 04 & 07.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 7:46:22 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: BenLurkin
the current Model S

Will you just look at that S car go!

13 posted on 07/21/2014 7:46:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: tanknetter

I believe the patent system needs serious reform.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 7:47:16 AM PDT by dangus
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To: thackney

In a SHTF situation, you can’t even barter, borrow or steal electricity unless it’s with a generator and some gas.

So, you are stuck. It’s just easier to BBS the gas than it is to BBS gas for a generator.

It’s like I really want 50 million Americans with their little EBT ECars out there getting electricity supplements for charging their eHoopties.

Nope, they can keep them.


15 posted on 07/21/2014 7:47:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: dhs12345

If I had a house fixed up with a windmill in the backyard and solar panels on the house....with all my power requirements contained within my reach....and my job was only fifteen miles away....YEAH, I’d buy one. I admit...the battery replacement cost is going to be a ‘bear’ to handle, and there’s probably some $1,000 disposal cost related to them. But if I could drive to work and have zero cost related to fuel....it’d probably convince me to go this way.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 7:48:13 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: BenLurkin
I've seen two Teslas in my area. Both were on tow trucks.

Might be a great car, I dunno. But my observations definitely aren't positive.

17 posted on 07/21/2014 7:49:46 AM PDT by wbill
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To: BenLurkin

Fire extinguisher sales will skyrocket?


18 posted on 07/21/2014 7:52:38 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: BenLurkin

Plenty of room for you, your passenger, and storage for 2 sets of golf clubs.

19 posted on 07/21/2014 7:53:19 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: pepsionice

All of that can be achieved for less than the Tesla price. You would be paying for the name ‘Tesla’, not the ability to drive an electric vehicle.


20 posted on 07/21/2014 7:54:47 AM PDT by whodathunkit
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To: BenLurkin
$35K (or currently 70-plus) is a helluva lot for what amounts to an "around town" car.....a 200 mile range ain't gonna cut it for a roadtrip vehicle.

Our town car is a $12,000 Toyota Yaris.

21 posted on 07/21/2014 7:54:55 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It ain't a "hashtag"....it's a damn pound sign, number sign, or octothorpe. ###)
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To: MrB
Will you just look at that S car go!

You could have added "with thanks to Pete Barbutti for the joke" - if you're old enough to remember him, that is...

22 posted on 07/21/2014 7:58:26 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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To: BenLurkin

Until the Tesla’s can be recharged in roughly the same amount of time as a gasoline fill-up they will always be a luxury because they are not suitable to be a person’s only transportation. You always have to have another gasoline car in case you don’t have time to charge up the EV.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 8:03:16 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: BenLurkin

Tesla Model S hacked in Chinese security contest
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/chi-tesla-model-s-hacked,0,7108232.story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyFjGVodG1g


24 posted on 07/21/2014 8:03:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: dangus

$1500 won’t even get you the charging station. Where will the electricity come from, especially in California and Minnesota where they want to close all the coal plants?


25 posted on 07/21/2014 8:06:42 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Close the border!!!)
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To: MrB
Will you just look at that S car go!

With the optional battery pack, the model S will do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, the quarter mile in 12.4 seconds at 112.5 mph.

26 posted on 07/21/2014 8:07:28 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: BenLurkin

Depends on the styling... The Model S is a gorgeous car. If the Model 3 looks like a Leaf it won’t be a blockbuster. TSLA, Musk, Space X are all good at design so I’m expecting it to be a good looking vehicle.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 8:08:27 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: BenLurkin
Find people on the side of the rold holding signs...For a good time, give me a charge
28 posted on 07/21/2014 8:09:10 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: tanknetter

Hell of a good move by Musk although not for altruistic purposes. He opened up his patents in order to have people accept them as the defacto standard thereby driving volume to his planned gigafactory.


29 posted on 07/21/2014 8:09:58 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: thackney

Lol. Right. That is what you want them to think. Most Americans can’t afford $35K for a car.


30 posted on 07/21/2014 8:10:15 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: wbill

I see dozens a week... Have a few friends who own them. All say they are the best cars they have ever owned (one traded a Porsche Panemara and one traded a Mercedes S 500).


31 posted on 07/21/2014 8:11:43 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: BenLurkin

The British top gear guys say electric powered cars is a dead technology...........that’s good enough for me.


32 posted on 07/21/2014 8:12:45 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Yup, the altruism is just spin.

Musk got what he needed out of the patent system. Now that it poses an obstacle to him ...


33 posted on 07/21/2014 8:12:46 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: thackney

35K will buy me 35 of the cars I normally buy...

I normally get 2 years out of a 1000 dollar car.

I see no use for the model 3.


34 posted on 07/21/2014 8:15:02 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: V_TWIN

What was his reasoning? I’m intrigued by the Japanese hydrogen powered cars. http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/06/toyota-takes-aim-at-tesla-motors-inc-with-hydrogen-car/


35 posted on 07/21/2014 8:17:36 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: anoldafvet

The same factors which make wind and solar power so difficult to cost-effectively utilize make electric cars make sense.

With wind, solar and nuclear, you aren’t paying for raw materials; you’re paying for facilities construction and maintenance. The problem is that wind and solar production doesn’t necessarily coincide with demand. (Solar production peaks 3 hours before demand, and God knows when wind production will peak.) You need some sort of battery or battery analog to store the produced energy until it’s needed. But no battery or battery analog has been economically feasible.

On the other hand, mobile power sources are very expensive. So expensive, that we continue to rely on obscenely expensive petroleum combustion for most mobile power sources.

What electric cars essentially do is use the fact that petroleum combustion is so expensive to make it economically feasible to use a mobile power source (your car) as a battery for poorly utilized energy produced during off-peak demand hours.


36 posted on 07/21/2014 8:18:22 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Gaffer

Not to mention that the electrical grid cannot handle 50 million electric cars plugged in all at once.


37 posted on 07/21/2014 8:18:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

yup, I would own a model s if it came with a 500+ HP petrol engine.


38 posted on 07/21/2014 8:19:55 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: tanknetter

Actually, Musk would be more useful to creating a healthier economy if he made it clear that he was NOT being altruistic. Far better that he demonstrate that government-protected productivity dampening is a lose-lose all around, and make clear that he intends to profit off of releasing the patents.


39 posted on 07/21/2014 8:20:54 AM PDT by dangus
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To: cableguymn
I normally get 2 years out of a 1000 dollar car.

"Thousand Dollar Car" - The Bottle Rockets

40 posted on 07/21/2014 8:24:19 AM PDT by KevinB (Barack Obama: Our first black, gay, Kenyan, Muslim president!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The existence of shale gas and fracked oil production, despite government assistance to develop it further into self-sustaining heights, will continue to enable higher efficiency methods of energy conversion (combustion vs electric)to be predominant.

The only way for electric/battery to get a bigger foothold and to even begin to compete is if Government spends massive amounts of other peoples’ money to allow a select smaller subset of people to pursue their whimsy via subsidies.

Even the poor (they have to get to their mythical jobs, to the drug store to get their medicines, to take their chilruns to skrool, etc.) would need one of these eHoopties. And they’d need to gubmint to pay for it and to pay for running it, too.


41 posted on 07/21/2014 8:25:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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They are not driving the right cars..

my current 1000 dollar car is a 2009 Chevy Uplander. It does have a prior salvage title, and I spent 300 bucks at the pick-a-part yard pulling the needed body parts (in the same color) to fix it. but I don’t think it looks to bad. it was a light front end hit, they hit a deer. cost me a bumper, left fender, hood and headlight. Total spent 1050 dollars.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qmngz7hvpjq6qp/2014-07-19%2009.29.39.jpg


42 posted on 07/21/2014 8:28:57 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: pepsionice

job 15 miles away? take a bike. Tesla has between charge range from 150-225


43 posted on 07/21/2014 8:32:19 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: ErnBatavia

I agree. Until they can charge the car in 10 minutes, cross county would be a real time drag.

I see Teslas in LA Orange Co and San Diego all the time.

They look good.

I hope they sell enough to keep the R&D going.

When the advantages outweigh the gas powered, they will have something. I’m thinking 10 years, if they can hold on.


44 posted on 07/21/2014 8:36:28 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: dhs12345
35K is still a “luxury” car.

If they will be eligible for the free charging then 35k is a steal.

45 posted on 07/21/2014 8:36:29 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette

And who pays for the free charge?

And it is still way out of the range of most consumers. Below $20K is compelling. $35K is not.


46 posted on 07/21/2014 8:39:40 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: BenLurkin

The neat feature of electric car batteries is they have a limited number of recharge cycles they can stand, built in drop dead date. But, if you do not use it (park it and do not use it for a while) it dies even more quickly.

Battling this “feature” right now with a relative’s car. She was going to save so much money not having to buy gasoline,...LOL!


47 posted on 07/21/2014 8:39:48 AM PDT by wrench
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To: BenLurkin

Gotta let the market work it’s magic. When a good cheap efficient electric car is built people will buy it. But for now I’ll take an F-type Jag please.


48 posted on 07/21/2014 8:41:37 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: wrench

how much is a battery replacement and what kind of car doe she have?


49 posted on 07/21/2014 8:41:49 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: Mike Darancette

I show the F type at 50,000 and up. Is that your cheap, efficient car?


50 posted on 07/21/2014 8:43:27 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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